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Re: Miscellaneous Questions 5: Ask Question, Receive Answer
« Reply #300 on: September 02, 2014, 02:13:04 PM »
The Hakurei Barrier is apparently not a physical barrier which may be crossed merely by travelling. It is a barrier of 'uncommon sense' (where was this stated again?), and therefore, someone that exists on one side is pretty much sent to oblivion on the other side.

If someone wishes to go the Gensokyo from the outside, they would need to become forgotten on the opposite side. As such, even if Gensokyo were to occupy a certain region of the world, there would simultaneously be cities and people occupying the corresponding area in the outside world, but the two would not normally interact because of the non-physical nature of the barrier.

For example, in Cage in Lunatic Runagate, it is stated that the 'Youkai Mountain' in Gensokyo preserves the original appearance of Mt. Yatsugatake before it was flattened by the patron goddess of Mt. Fuji in jealousy. This means that the mountain not only exists, but also looks different inside and outside the barrier.

There's actually a scene of Yukari looking through or sitting at the edge of (or some other verb that you can't really define in any language, honestly) the Hakurei barrier or... some sort, at the end of a chapter of Oriental Sacred Place. It clearly shows that Gensokyo and the real world OVERLAP (which goes along with that mount Yatsugatake example).

I forget which chapter it is, but the Outside World page in the wiki has one panel of it.  Doesn't have all the panels before it that show the outside world and Gensokyo kinda blending in to each other, though.

http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Outside_World

Just go to Yukari's page in the wiki and look up which OSP chapters she appears in, and it should be in one of those, I think. It's the chapter where the tree on the border gets struck by lightning.

IIRC, even way before that, there was also this from um... some correspondence with ZUN (maybe the ZUN's E-mails page?)

(paraphrased from my memory)

Touhou Fan:  Question.  Where is Gensokyo located in Japan?

ZUN:  Gensokyo IS Japan.

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« Reply #301 on: September 02, 2014, 07:49:48 PM »
(paraphrased from my memory)

Touhou Fan:  Question.  Where is Gensokyo located in Japan?

ZUN:  Gensokyo IS Japan.
Nah, that was about their language. He does say Gensokyo is Japan, but it's more like Gensokyo is situated in Japan, so they speak japanese.

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« Reply #302 on: September 05, 2014, 02:42:15 AM »
So decided to go looking into more music by circles, but I'm realizing that I may have dunked in the deep end so to speak. I feel very overwhelmed but how many songs there are and not sure where to start. I'm up for any genre since it's still Touhou.
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« Reply #303 on: September 05, 2014, 08:05:18 AM »
So decided to go looking into more music by circles, but I'm realizing that I may have dunked in the deep end so to speak. I feel very overwhelmed but how many songs there are and not sure where to start. I'm up for any genre since it's still Touhou.
Try Machikado-Mapoze
Their newest album is so pleasant to the ears.
http://mapoze.com/pub/dancing/

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« Reply #304 on: September 05, 2014, 09:05:20 AM »
If you like instrumental rock, I'd recommend minami's solo albums. Thankfully they're available online, though looking at the DL size they're presumably not in lossless format.
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« Reply #305 on: September 05, 2014, 02:52:29 PM »
Snip

Do you still have the link to the torrent, by any chance?
I have a fairly decent internet connection with me and I could offer you some assistance in searching for the song you want.

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« Reply #306 on: September 05, 2014, 09:34:17 PM »
a 4koma i just read raised this question; if Nue uses her ability on an item and afterward shows it to Rinnosuke, which ability would "win"?

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« Reply #307 on: September 05, 2014, 10:23:40 PM »
a 4koma i just read raised this question; if Nue uses her ability on an item and afterward shows it to Rinnosuke, which ability would "win"?
This is a confusing question. Can you re-state it, maybe link to the 4koma?

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« Reply #308 on: September 06, 2014, 12:10:30 AM »
This is a confusing question. Can you re-state it, maybe link to the 4koma?
Nue's ability is to hide the true shape of an object, Rinnosuke's is to identify an object's name and know their use. I guess his question is, if Nue turned one object into another and showed it to Rinnosuke, would his ability tell about the true shape of the object or the shape the object was turned into?

In my opinion, Rinnosuke would be able to identify the original object, since Nue's ability don't really change the nature of what she hides, just it's outward appearance.
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« Reply #309 on: September 06, 2014, 02:21:59 AM »
Knowing Rinnosuke though, he would probably make ridiculous assumptions about the object based on how he thinks its purpose relates to however the object currently looked. Like, more ridiculous than usual.

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« Reply #310 on: September 06, 2014, 02:45:06 AM »
My guess is that the illusion would conceal the object entirely. It's not like Rinnosuke can see through walls, or fog. If he can't see the object, he can't identify it. At best he would identify the illusion as "something created to mislead others".

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« Reply #311 on: September 06, 2014, 03:09:23 AM »
If you like instrumental rock, I'd recommend minami's solo albums. Thankfully they're available online, though looking at the DL size they're presumably not in lossless format.
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« Reply #312 on: September 06, 2014, 11:20:20 AM »
This is a confusing question. Can you re-state it, maybe link to the 4koma?

The 4koma is this one: http://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/1194656?pool_id=2393 (the comic is ok but since is Danbooru = NSFW)
Amusingly enough, in the comic itself the artist avoid to answer the question  :V

Personally, i think Clarste might be right, although that raise the corollary question: would Rinnosuke sees a different object altogether or recognize that is some sort of illusion?

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« Reply #313 on: September 06, 2014, 12:11:50 PM »
I think it's how Sagus and Drake said. Nue's ability isn't absolute and can be overcome (using spirit photography, for example). Rinnosuke's ability, however, works pretty deeply. Just remember that dinosaur bone story. So I think he won't have any trouble "accessing" the object's true name.

Besides, Nue's ability isn't to "change object into a different one", it's "make object unidentifiable". You can't tell how people will see such an object, different people might see the object differently, and it doesn't work if you already know what the object is (Seirensen crew didn't see UFOs like UFOs, but like pieces of wood they really were).
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« Reply #314 on: September 06, 2014, 01:45:07 PM »
Besides, Nue's ability isn't to "change object into a different one", it's "make object unidentifiable". You can't tell how people will see such an object, different people might see the object differently, and it doesn't work if you already know what the object is (Seirensen crew didn't see UFOs like UFOs, but like pieces of wood they really were).
This still need to be clarified, though. The part where "if you've seen/know the original object, then it won't work."

Does that mean, it doesn't matter what changes happened to it? Like, even if you can't be certain it's the same thing?

The ship they saw and knew was broken, but they can recognize the pieces of wood that belongs to it. It probably makes sense for Shou and the others, since they know that the ship broke, but what about Byakuren? She can still see that the UFO is a piece of wood, even though she probably have no idea if the ship was broken, or if the wood belong to it in the first place. I mean, it's a piece of wood. Will you automatically know where it came from when you see one?

If it really does won't work with that condition, then what about things that have gone through a process?
Say, you see a rock, then someone made a sculpture out of it. If Nue used her ability on this sculpture, would you be able to tell that it is the rock you saw before? Did I explain that right?

I don't really think it works like that, because that'll make her ability almost useless, or at least too complicated to use effectively.

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« Reply #315 on: September 06, 2014, 02:08:00 PM »
SoPM describes Nue's ability as "concealing its true nature by removing its form, sound, and smell, leaving only its behavior". Your mind fills in the blanks, so if it's behavior is particularly obvious you might correctly perceive what it is (the article says you'd see a "mirage-like bird" if it behaves like a bird). Basically, they could see the pieces of wood because they expected to see them floating around the area, so when they see a featureless flying thing they see wood instead. They aren't seeing the actual wood though, they're seeing the illusion of what they expect to see, which happens to be correct. "Mirage-like" wood, that's only how they imagine the wood would be. If the illusion was broken, they would see that all the details are different.

In the case of "showing Rinnosuke an object", he literally cannot see it, and even if he guesses what it is from its behavior, he's still never perceiving it with his eyes. The object is essentially invisible, and I don't think there's any reason to believe his power works on invisible things.

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« Reply #316 on: September 06, 2014, 08:03:41 PM »
Clearly, I need to pay more attention to Rinnosuke.. I hadn't even considered dude had an ability beyond being vaguely annoyed.

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« Reply #317 on: September 06, 2014, 09:56:08 PM »
In touhou labyrinth 2 alt+enter doesn't fullscreen the game and it's really awkward to play it is the even fullscreen in the game?
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« Reply #318 on: September 06, 2014, 10:21:22 PM »
Clearly, I need to pay more attention to Rinnosuke.. I hadn't even considered dude had an ability beyond being vaguely annoyed.
Rinnosuke's stories are super cool, I highly recommend reading them all when you've got time to kill. Gensokyo through his eyes is very different than through the plot of a game, and I don't think any of the other characters have quite the same... Let's call it "insight," that he has. People often say that he's the first time ZUN's used a character as a mouthpiece to show more of the setting, though I personally think it varies from story to story.

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« Reply #319 on: September 07, 2014, 12:40:48 AM »
Just take everything that he says or thinks in those stories with a grain of salt. As ZUN himself said, he thinks he knows a lot more than he actually knows.
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« Reply #320 on: September 10, 2014, 11:25:29 AM »
Do you still have the link to the torrent, by any chance?
I have a fairly decent internet connection with me and I could offer you some assistance in searching for the song you want.

Hmm, I don't know if this is the exact torrent after all these years, but of the results I've googled that were around in 2008, the majority of them appear on nyaa, which is currently being DDOS'd. I don't think I'll have any luck until that's back up.

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« Reply #321 on: September 12, 2014, 07:08:26 PM »
It's just as the title says. What is the scenario timeline in SWR? ( Please not table like, the character names of the respective scenario )

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« Reply #322 on: September 12, 2014, 07:28:33 PM »
It's just as the title says. What is the scenario timeline in SWR? ( Please not table like, the character names of the respective scenario )

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I guess you can find your answer here, just scroll to the bottom of the page.
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« Reply #323 on: September 14, 2014, 11:25:02 PM »
Does anyone has a translated version of this doujin (nswf link, image is swf)? I've googled hard and can't find anything...

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« Reply #324 on: September 16, 2014, 08:15:17 AM »
I've been thinking, does Touhou run on comic book time? IIRC ZUN said that the events of the games take place real-time, but the recurring characters don't seem to age that visibly, even the humans.

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« Reply #325 on: September 16, 2014, 08:32:40 AM »
The humans have noticeably aged some over the years, but the extent to which is pretty ambiguous. Despite this, yes the released works mostly follow real time.

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« Reply #326 on: September 17, 2014, 01:57:45 AM »
Their apparent ages really just depend on the artist, so it's hard to judge. ZUN never gave any concrete ages in the first place though, so it's easy enough to imagine Reimu and Marisa moving from teens to early twenties without any change in appearance. Might become more of a problem ten years from now.

I think it's been noted that Akyuu seems older now than when she was first introduced.

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« Reply #327 on: September 17, 2014, 03:40:22 AM »
Speaking of Akyuu is there an estimate on how long she has to live? Not sure if I'm remembering correctly but every time she reincarnates her life span shortens right?
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« Reply #328 on: September 17, 2014, 04:16:26 AM »
Speaking of Akyuu is there an estimate on how long she has to live? Not sure if I'm remembering correctly but every time she reincarnates her life span shortens right?
The Children of Miare aren't expected to make it past their thirties, as Akyuu herself says on her monologue in PMiSS. She has more or less 10 years left to live, if we consider that she was born in 1994 (the year in which Aya's article that announced her birth was published).
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« Reply #329 on: September 17, 2014, 02:34:52 PM »
Is there anyone who can gives some sort of summary about what the creator of this fan-made touhou series is talking.
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTASzD4Iqek

I kind of understand some parts but for the rest it's a bit too much for me. So, if there anyone who could give a detail descriptions of what is going that would really help.
Thanks for your time.