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Re: Smash 4 Hype Thread - 3DS is out; WiiU hype train FULL STEAM AHEAD
« Reply #960 on: November 21, 2014, 07:46:41 PM »
I got really bored and spent a few hours testing launch speeds of KO moves.

Speeds aren't necessarily indicative of KO power since angles and stage position aren't factored in of course, but there's still some interesting stuff.

Lucario is dumb.

Re: Smash 4 Hype Thread - 3DS is out; WiiU hype train FULL STEAM AHEAD
« Reply #961 on: November 21, 2014, 07:50:12 PM »
You tested Falcon bair but not the Knee? :Vim dum

man zelda's kick is stronger than the knee? :V


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Warlock Punch: 195

wait wat
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« Reply #962 on: November 21, 2014, 08:02:47 PM »
Falcon Punch: 209
Warlock Punch: 195

wait wat
yeah I was very wtf over that and rechecked it like three times

I think it's because Warlock Punch is mostly BKB based and Falcon Punch is more KBG based, because Warlock Punch starts KOing at much earlier percents but these tests are on a 150% Mario.

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« Reply #963 on: November 21, 2014, 08:06:55 PM »
Wow that's super weird especially since reverse warlock has like the best scaling knockback in the game right?

Actually I think they weakened it because it has super armor now. I'm not sure if he actually has super armor if he does the turn punch. I know he doesn't if you do it in the air.


Also Falcon Punch's base knockback is so low now, so I didn't think it's scaling knockback was still good.

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« Reply #964 on: November 21, 2014, 08:14:14 PM »
Reverse warlock doesn't have superarmor, correct.

Also script dumps are love.

Falcon Punch: BKB=0 KBG=90
Warlock Punch: BKB=120 KBG=42
Reverse Warlock Punch: BKB=30 KBG=100

Mystery solved :V

...huh, reverse Falcon Punch just adds damage, it has the same knockback values.
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Re: Smash 4 Hype Thread - 3DS is out; WiiU hype train FULL STEAM AHEAD
« Reply #965 on: November 21, 2014, 08:29:52 PM »
Wait where's Ike's fsmash?

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« Reply #966 on: November 21, 2014, 08:36:18 PM »
Wait where's Ike's fsmash?
Right next to Dedede's.
this wasn't a very thorough list, I'll get right on it

Okay, added.  Ike and Dedede's fsmashes aren't as strong as I expected...
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« Reply #967 on: November 21, 2014, 09:03:40 PM »
What about Eruption is used on the last frame before max? I think it was 41% in Brawl

Re: Smash 4 Hype Thread - 3DS is out; WiiU hype train FULL STEAM AHEAD
« Reply #968 on: November 21, 2014, 09:10:25 PM »
As far as I can tell (both messing around in training and looking at the script dump) there isn't a stronger hit than full charge in this game.

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« Reply #969 on: November 22, 2014, 01:25:43 AM »
>gamestop has no more smash bundles
>apparently will not restock
>don't even have the controller adapter on its own

what the fuck??

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Re: Smash 4 Hype Thread - 3DS is out; WiiU hype train FULL STEAM AHEAD
« Reply #970 on: November 22, 2014, 02:35:30 AM »
I don't think they were ever intending to sell the adapter on its own. They aren't even doing it in Japan.

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« Reply #971 on: November 22, 2014, 03:04:35 AM »
Well just picked up the Wii u version and three amiibo figures. First thing I did was head to the music section cause I need my music. Would love to play with people but looking at what everyone is talking about... Well... Guess I need to start learning the lingo then heh.
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« Reply #972 on: November 22, 2014, 03:11:35 AM »
Gonna try to pick up a Wii U and Smash tomorrow morning if I can. If I'm super lucky, I'll go full weeaboo and grab a Palutena Amiibo too.
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« Reply #973 on: November 22, 2014, 03:13:23 AM »
Is palutena out? I didn't see her at my store...
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« Reply #974 on: November 22, 2014, 03:32:08 AM »
I heard ~rumours on the internets~ about her. I haven't done much research myself, though, because, again, as few spoilers as possible, so take it for what you will.
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« Reply #975 on: November 22, 2014, 03:35:01 AM »
So Once tournaments are available do you think  a MotK tourney will pop up?
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Re: Smash 4 Hype Thread - 3DS is out; WiiU hype train FULL STEAM AHEAD
« Reply #976 on: November 22, 2014, 04:42:22 AM »
So Smash hasn't even reached my city yet, but my parents managed to find a copy during their trip out to Vancouver so I'll have it when they come back tomorrow night
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« Reply #977 on: November 22, 2014, 05:30:57 AM »
8 player smash is fucking nuts holy shit

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« Reply #978 on: November 22, 2014, 05:39:47 AM »
So Smash hasn't even reached my city yet, but my parents managed to find a copy during their trip out to Vancouver so I'll have it when they come back tomorrow night
yisssss
oh my gosh

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« Reply #979 on: November 22, 2014, 05:41:25 AM »
Put my amiibo's in 8 player smash and they rock so hard right now, glad they don't stop learning at level 50. Also trying to get use to the wii u gamepad is gonna take some time, hopefully I can find an adapter tomorrow for GC controllers.
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« Reply #980 on: November 22, 2014, 12:20:33 PM »
So I finally got around to actually playing the game after the 1.0.4 patch hit and messed around with multiple characters.

Dedede nerfs aren't as bad as I thought, but I feel like his matchups as a whole are going to be fairly wonk compared to before; characters like Greninja, Rosalina, and Sheik being nerfed helps him out (I *almost* want to say the latter two feel like 55:45 in Dedede's favor now, but that's likely a generous assumption), but vectoring tweaks and buffs to other characters makes other low tiers more threatening; particularly Mario, who actually got nerfed even, is much scarier now that VIing up and out of his combos isn't an option.  Gordo nerf hurts against Bowser/Charizard/somewhat Sheik and Megaman is an even more impossible matchup than he already was.  New dthrow isn't explicitly worse than the old one until around 80% where the opponent can DI out of followups (he had fair as a guaranteed followup until awhile after 100% before), but I think dthrow>bair might work to higher percents than it used to.

Meta Knight to my surprise doesn't feel much different to me, but in fairness I had the poor luck to only play him against Sonics during my session so I was fighting an uphill battle at all times.  I feel like the bair/nair buffs will make quite a bit of difference for him but he really needs his range problem addressed above all else.

I probably overestimated Ike's buffs, but it also doesn't help that he isn't the type of character I'd usually play :V  The fair/dtilt speed buffs in particular are quite nice, but they don't magically fix all his problems.  I think they magically fix enough of them that he's probably better than half the cast at worst, though.

I'm not quite sure what to think about Greninja yet.  Usmash nerf was well-deserved, shuriken nerf was questionable but tolerable, Hydro Pump nerf is arguably a buff because it can actually gimp properly instead of moon launching now, but fair/uair nerfs felt needlessly excessive and his buffs don't feel like they do much to patch up his problems (though air sneak being a viable edgeguard move now is terrific, fair already worked for that before...).  I don't think he was hurt as badly as some people seem to think, but I definitely feel like he was gutted more than he needed to be.  Rather, I'd be okay with him if shuriken end lag was reduced by 2-3f and uair/fair still had KO power.  Usmash isn't a ridiculously broken "use for every situation" type move anymore and his landing lag cancel was removed, those two things alone probably would've been enough nerf for now imo.

Sheik really doesn't feel much different, she just takes a bit longer to do what she did before.  Vectoring tweaks might actually result in her being buffed overall in a custom move environment since Pisces/Jellyfish didn't suffer the Bouncing Fish nerf and weaker fair allows for higher percent combos.
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Re: Smash 4 Hype Thread - 3DS is out; WiiU hype train FULL STEAM AHEAD
« Reply #981 on: November 22, 2014, 12:20:43 PM »
8 player smash is fucking nuts holy shit

Man this sounds like a blast!  Can you do 4 human vs 4 AI as well?  Or 2 Amiibos+2 Humans vs 4 AI? 

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« Reply #982 on: November 22, 2014, 02:49:28 PM »
Man this sounds like a blast!  Can you do 4 human vs 4 AI as well?  Or 2 Amiibos+2 Humans vs 4 AI?

Any combo you want, 8 human, 4 human vs 4 amiibo, even 8 amiibo if you want.
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« Reply #983 on: November 22, 2014, 03:59:32 PM »


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« Reply #984 on: November 22, 2014, 04:39:36 PM »
Lol I had marth, samus, and peach and just picked up fox and link. Marth is gettingbsold out fast around where I am, I got kinda lucky lol. Can't wait for Rosalina, lucina, and ZS Samus!
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« Reply #985 on: November 22, 2014, 06:01:29 PM »
8 player smash is fucking nuts holy shit
There was actually an 8-player Villager match at my college's game club. It was a lumberjack's heaven.

Not sure how I feel about Smash Tour. On one hand, hey cool a party game styled thing, but on the other, it can get really tedious really fast and just imagine if you never come across any of your mains in a game.

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« Reply #986 on: November 22, 2014, 06:29:28 PM »
8 player smash is fucking nuts holy shit
As someone who played this mode with Suikama and 6 other people I can confirm that this is 100% true and holy hell fun, and we didn't even use items except smash ball.

Best part is when we couldn't even break the smash ball when there's all 8 of us there to hit it, gj everyone.

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« Reply #987 on: November 22, 2014, 07:02:06 PM »
As someone who played this mode with Suikama and 6 other people I can confirm that this is 100% true and holy hell fun, and we didn't even use items except smash ball.

Best part is when we couldn't even break the smash ball when there's all 8 of us there to hit it, gj everyone.

What mode did you all play? Stock or time?
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« Reply #988 on: November 22, 2014, 07:13:11 PM »
What mode did you all play? Stock or time?
Stock obviously. I think we should've enabled time as well because when it got down to only 2 - 3 players it started to take quite a bit of time due to big stages.

Btw 8-man smash in regular Battlefield is the dumbest thing ever :V

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« Reply #989 on: November 22, 2014, 07:32:19 PM »
As someone who played this mode with Suikama and 6 other people I can confirm that this is 100% true and holy hell fun, and we didn't even use items except smash ball.

Best part is when we couldn't even break the smash ball when there's all 8 of us there to hit it, gj everyone.
i blame lag

also the smash ball like actually runs away from you like arggg