Author Topic: Medaka Box Mafia - GAME OVER (Read 44822 times)

Dormio Ergo Sum · « **Reply #420 on:** March 25, 2014, 12:07:41 AM »

Votecount
Bardiche (1): Shadoweh
Shadoweh (1): Bardiche
Sky Paladin (0):

Not voting: Sky Paladin

With 3 alive, it takes 2 to lynch.

You have ~56 hours remaining

Sky_Paladin · « **Reply #421 on:** March 25, 2014, 12:37:15 AM »

I've been awake for awhile, I'm reading the games you and Bard posted.

Sky_Paladin · « **Reply #422 on:** March 25, 2014, 01:07:53 AM »

While I'm reading, do any of you have examples of Bard losing his shit and asking for a modkill (or basically a precedent for his Day 5/Day 6 antics) that I could consider?

Currently I have to decide which is more likely:
Shadoweh bussed her first scumbuddy day 1 for no real reason then murdered her second scumbuddy a little later because that's just how she rolls
or
Bard thought 'I bet I can convince Sky to lynch Shadoweh' after getting all of his scum team to vote Serela day 1.

Bardiche · « **Reply #423 on:** March 25, 2014, 01:13:07 AM »

Shadoweh bussing her buddies isn't that unlikely. Scum!Shadoweh'd have less issues explaining herself if she lynched Zakeri instead of anyone else.

Shadoweh · « **Reply #424 on:** March 25, 2014, 01:21:46 AM »

Uhm, the last time I remember him losing it was Diablo Mafia when he and UK got modkilled as Town.
I think you'd be better off comparing to his town game as GlaDOS or in Mirai Nikki. I don't even remember the last time Bard was scum, I'm looking for it now. >_>

I'd have less issues winning if I didn't lynch my buddy too. :p
I'd also be quite silly to limit my own options the way I did. Sacchi was mentioned a few times as a possible lynch, but my own roleclear of him is what put him off the table in the first place. I also had no reason to kill Bard's neighbour who wanted nothing but to tunnel on a townie, but I suspect Bard didn't want to talk in private any longer.

Bardiche · « **Reply #425 on:** March 25, 2014, 01:28:28 AM »

Considering NNR didn't want to lynch me, why would I want him dead?

Shadoweh · « **Reply #426 on:** March 25, 2014, 01:31:22 AM »

rofl Bard's last scum game is I Don't Want To Remember Angel Beats Mafia where he replaced Rawr.
That sure was a game. I'd be pretty mad too if I replaced in to be a Town Mason and found out Rawr had actually claimed masons with his scum partner.

I don't get why you killed him either to be honest. I don't know why you killed RAWR either. I do think it was partially to disguise you and Zakeri staying alive, strong players hiding in the crowd. That's just NOT MY STYLE. I probably would have failed to kill BT. <_<

Bardiche · « **Reply #427 on:** March 25, 2014, 02:20:57 AM »

>Kitten4u alive with Shadoweh
Yeah, absolutely not your style.

Shadoweh · « **Reply #428 on:** March 25, 2014, 02:36:30 AM »

Kitten4u replaced into Polaris's slot on the second-last day of ABGoM. There were also something like four confirmed towns because it was an open setup and I literally couldn't kill her and win. However, during the beginning of that game, we tried to kill Kiro, the most obvious town, and then I killed UncertainKitten for trying to lynch me, before my kills were forced by The List of Doom. So yes, that game is a perfect example, thank you Bardiche. <3

Bardiche · « **Reply #429 on:** March 25, 2014, 03:32:10 AM »

Regardless, Sky Pal hasn't hammered, and unless he's scum trying to fuck with us you must still be the last scum. I honestly cannot imagine any other outcome.

Bardiche · « **Reply #430 on:** March 25, 2014, 03:37:14 AM »

I think being meta-self-aware in your way is enough to actively circumvent it. And considering people weren't sold on my Towniness, I'm still your perfect mislynch to keep alive. Especially considering for all that people tout me as a "strong" player, my rate of "scum caught" isn't actually super high.

Shadoweh · « **Reply #431 on:** March 25, 2014, 03:42:12 AM »

Well if we're going to talk about who 'must' be scum from our perspectives we're not going to get very far. You have to be scum from mine. </3
Paladin, are you going to reread old games all day and leave me here to chat with my evil Hubby? Not that I mind getting personal time with Bardiche-chan..

Bardiche · « **Reply #432 on:** March 25, 2014, 03:42:56 AM »

Please do not affix atrocious things to my name.

Sky_Paladin · « **Reply #433 on:** March 25, 2014, 03:51:52 AM »

I finished reading the old games, right now I'm re-reading this one/ISO-ing Shadoweh/re-ISOing Bard.

For me the thing is;

Well

It's just that both scum voted alongside you. What do you think? It looks so bad.

Bardiche · « **Reply #434 on:** March 25, 2014, 03:52:28 AM »

Why Shadoweh Is Scum:
Tongue in cheek, but obv vanilla fakeclaim softclaim in confirmation phase, scum!!!

But jokes aside.
Shadoweh declares Townies quickly, whereas the only ones who have any certainty of alignment are masons and Scum. We've established there are no masons. That leaves only one option.
And for all other claims Shadoweh does still admonish CF7 here.
And in this post, Shadoweh says that if, "Kingault were my buddy there'd be a lot more honk honk". In other words, Shadoweh's saying that she'd bus her own scumbuddy. CF7 hyper bus is go?
Shadoweh's choice of Day 2 is poorly articulated other than that she's gunning for someone on the CF7 wagon. And then, until here, Shadoweh doesn't make any mention of SB. Or any wagon analysis. Or any scumhunting. Aside from saying you can be VT.

Fuck, no time. Finishing later.

Bardiche · « **Reply #435 on:** March 25, 2014, 03:53:52 AM »

I can't think anything other than do you honestly think a Scum!Bard and Scum!Zakeri team would just pile on a counter-wagon to CF7 together? I think they just latched onto the first wagon that a "strong" player made in hopes it'd actually work.

And my case on Serela was pretty damn good. Can't fault them. I still stand by it.

Shadoweh · « **Reply #436 on:** March 25, 2014, 04:11:11 AM »

Your case on Seerela was certainly magical.

Quote from: Bardiche on March 08, 2014, 05:47:54 PM

Serela posts since my vote on him:
Response to ##JUSTICE!!!
General speculation on the votecount error and gameplay explanation
Clarifying the Ascetic role
Vote on Shadoweh 'mostly joking', silly to have Town read on Serela

The two posts preceding that are:
Jokevote on ActionDan
and
Questioning what's strange about Ascetic claim

Looking at these posts, you can say that exactly 0% of his posts constitute scumhunting or attempting to weed out the liars from the honest. Instead we have jokevote garbage even after the game had sufficiently entered a serious enough stage to get things done. More criminally even after I voted Serela for perpetuating jokevote phase he still puts a vote on Shadoweh "mostly joking". And that it's silly to read Serela as Town.

IDK man, that sounds like a Freudian slip to me and that's fine enough at this stage.

Serela posted, also he dared to ignore me voting him and telling him RVS was over. Seems legit, let's bag this scumbag. (Zak wasn't even sheeping you he was voting Serela over DARING TO USE HIS ROLE after you prodded him so :V)

Sky_Paladin · « **Reply #437 on:** March 25, 2014, 04:16:29 AM »

I was actually referring to this vote count from RVS.

NekoNekoRex (3): Shadoweh, CF7, Zakeri

So I can't use 'There is no way scum would have all voted for the same person' because they evidently did it.

Shadoweh · « **Reply #438 on:** March 25, 2014, 04:39:53 AM »

What do you think is scummier, three people voting together randomly when votes don't matter, or the three people who were left on the counterwagon to scum after everyone else who has flipped town fled the counterwagon? You're comparing two completely different gamestates and equating them. <_<

Sky_Paladin · « **Reply #439 on:** March 25, 2014, 05:05:16 AM »

ISO of Shadoweh;
RVS NNR. First votecount of the day: NekoNekoRex (3): Shadoweh, CF7, Zakeri. Oh. Was it really that simple all along?
Instant vote on CF7 without explanation. Like about 90 seconds. #2 seat on the bus~~~
Clarification of case.
Gives CF7 an out.
//CF7 at L-2. Zak currently on CF7 bus.
Mentions intent to re-investigate CF7 re: King's lazybones vote.
Adds more weight to CF7 lynch.
Response to CF7. Questions CF7.
Weak defence of her CF7 vote after Conqueror challenges. To be fair it's hard to defend apathetic CF7.
//Challenged by Kingault.
//Conq/Shadoweh chat continues. Main points; Shadoweh hasn't made a strong case but made points on Kingault and Serela, so is her CF7 vote a vote park?
//Shadoweh prompts claim from CF7.
(night 1) - will later claim to have watched self/seen Bard.
(Day 2)
Pursues SB for his 'CF7 is obvtown' comment.
Distracted by tasty Sky wagon.
Empty content post/information instead of analysis.
Shadoweh's solidarity.
Push for Oarfish.
Definition of reporting lol. Shadoweh not scumhunting.
Second "I'm drinking, not contributing" post in a row.
//Oarfish explode. Night 2/Day2 skipped.
(Night 3) - Shadoweh watches self.
(Day 4)
Telegraphs intent to QueenLynch Dan.
Roles post. Pretty accurate.
Shadoweh queened with 1v1 lynch option of Zak or Bard?
Reads Conq, Zak, BT only.
Speculation post. Reasonable.
//Questions Zak.
//Questions SB.
//BT, Sky, Conq all say 'lynch Zak' for his poo claim.
//Dan claims. Nobody questions it.
Leaves an out for Zak. Reasonable, though. Nobody likes being wrong with a one-shot-lynch.
Tests feelings for lynch-a-Conq.
//Zak sui-claims for no reason.
Final Shadoweh thoughts before blow up Zak.
(End day 4)
(Night 4) - target self
(Day 5)
//No significant content from Shadoweh except roleblocked
//Serela eplode
(night 5) - target self
(Day 6)
Claim.
Noncontent post.
Vote for BT because it's not Sky, Conqueror, or Bard.
Shadoweh discredits possibility of ninja to track herself, umm actually should have lynched her here imo.
Claims action is 'general'.
Defends Bard.
Action analysis post.
Defend self.
Empty unvote.
Start of many defend Bard pots.
Case on BT that ultimately is setup spec. BT flipped town.
//Hammer BT

***

Shadoweh · « **Reply #440 on:** March 25, 2014, 05:16:18 AM »

You know, when you ISO someone, it just confirms your own paranoia.
I swear to god if you lynch me I will never let you live it down. The reason I wasn't 'scumhunting' on Day 2 was because I was busy STOPPING A BULLSHIT LYNCH ON YOU BASED ON YOU CLAIMING SOMETHING SCUM WOULDN'T CLAIM. Holy fuck, if you of all people want to lynch me for not lynching you.
My only regret is not continuing to be blissfully drunk today. Look, I made you some cases.

Shadoweh is Town:
VOTED SCUM. REFUSED TO GET OFF SCUM DESPITE BEING ATTACKED FOR IT BY TOWN-CONQ.
THEN LYNCHED SCUM. ALL BY HERSELF. AFTER PRESSURING HIM INTO CLAIMING MORE THEN 'I CAN VIG TOMORROW' I LITERALLY CONTROLLED THE LYNCH AND USED IT TO LYNCH SCUM. END OF FUCKING STORY.

Bardiche is Scum:
Case on Serela based on because he was scum and he could.
'CF7 is a newbie, do not want to lynch'
From previous thing I quoted, prefered Dan to Zakeri-lynch, Sacchi as third option, possible BT and SB too, fuck let's keep everyone as suspects!

You are talking yourself into ignoring your own feelings and cases because you think I'm trying to outsmart you. I'm not actually that smart. You're here because the only way we can lose this game is if one of us votes the other for being 'Too Confirmed'. This isn't hard. Lynch Bardiche.

Sky_Paladin · « **Reply #441 on:** March 25, 2014, 05:23:47 AM »

Story of scum!Shadoweh:

Day 1 - votes for NNR and sees both scumbuddies hop on the wagon. Hisses at them to stop being obvious. Votes CF7 for awful vote after NNR countervotes him. Attempts to provoke CF7 to actually do something but he doesn't and so has to die in the bum.
Night 1 - Kill Rawr because he is null. Target self with some ability.
Day 2 - Chases SB, but then Defends Sky_Paladin because "Lets not lynch a vanilla when we could get a role." Oarfish explodes.
Night 2 - /skip
day 3/ skip
night 3 - Hits NNR to implicate Sky.
day 4 - Forced to lynch Zak because of awful role claim/can't get away with lynch of Zak or Dan after all.
Night 4 - Tactical hit on SB because roleblockercop.
Day 5 - Serela explode before anything else.
Night 6 - Tactical hit on Hikaru who is confirmed town and also not upgrading Shadoweh anymore.
Day 7 - Choosing who to take into LYLO.
Shadoweh had to choose between Conquer, BT, Bard and Sky. She knows that both Conqueror and Sky think it's a choice between BT and Bard. But if town lynches Bard, and she can't hit BT because he is night immune, then LYLO would be Shadoweh, BT, and either Sky or Conqueror. Sky has ISO'd Conq two times and has come up town, but Conq has also shown distrust of Shadoweh. Also, Conq is dreaming god - no idea what the next day's dream is. Randomness can't be planned for.
If she lynched BT, she could hit whoever she pleased. If she hit Sky, then it would be Bard/Conqueror/Shadoweh. Conq has shown distrust of Shadoweh and Bard knows he isn't scum. That's a very risky LYLO for Shadoweh. If she hits Conqueror, it should have been a straight lynch of Bard by Sky.

So the least risk option would have been a hit on Conqueror last night.

***

Story of scum!Bard
Day 1 - RVS vote for NNR. Hisses at his scumbuddies for voting along with him. Ironically will revote at phase end. Tunnel on Serela, try for Serela counterwagon. Fail.
Night 1 - Hit Rawr because he is null and it wont go back to anybody. Targets Shadoweh with non-fatal action of some type, probable roleclop.
Day 2 - Stops tunneling Serela. Defends Sky. Votes Oarfish (explode).
Skip night 2/day 3.
Day 4 - Sensible promote of Shadoweh. Asks for Dan lynch over Zak.
Night 4 - Tactical hit of SB.
Day 5 - Serela explode. Sweet justice.
Night 5 - Tactical hit of confirmed town Hikaru.
Day 6 - Lynch of not!me over me.
Night 7 - Hit Conq because

***

Shadoweh · « **Reply #442 on:** March 25, 2014, 05:31:04 AM »

Conq would not have voted me. :V You do not know him very well if you think that was him being paranoid. You on the other hand, are unpredictable. I wouldn't want you anywhere near LYLO. (And Conq would have died 5 nights ago so etc.) I don't kill people for being null, I kill them for being threats. You've been spending all day rereading my games and you think between Bard/Conq/BT Town I chose to shoot Rawr? I am loathing you.

Also I asked Sacchi to upgrade you. I'm p sure he would have upgraded me again if I asked him. I thought I might actually die, for once in a lifetime, so someone else was a better choice.

Sky_Paladin · « **Reply #443 on:** March 25, 2014, 05:36:50 AM »

It's just that I had so much stuff on Bard and you defended him so well I can't see how I can lynch him.

I actually think the RVS hilarity at the start is more telling than where the votes ended up. Except, both Bard and you voted for NNR along with Zak and CF7 so I actually think it's null. I can't use it as a discriminating factor because you both did it. You both defended me on day 2, so I can't use it as a discriminating factor. You both voted BT, Bard because he had to, you because of your case.

What's different is you voted for CF7, he did not. You lynched Zak, he would have lynched Dan. Those are the only effective differences before today.

I need a case on Bard - or Shadoweh - that isn't something both of you did.

Shadoweh · « **Reply #444 on:** March 25, 2014, 05:43:23 AM »

"You voted and lynched scum and he didn't and wouldn't have." GOD DAMNIT SKY
LISTEN TO ME, I AM YOUR AMAZONE WOMB GODDESS HERE. I was wrong and I should have listened to you earlier. And to BT. I make really stupid decisions as town sometimes. But if you're going to tell me the only important difference between our play is one of us was on the scum and one of us wasn't and preface that by sounding like that's not a huge fucking difference. I do not know what would convince you. Even when it comes to defending you, Bard was following my lead and buddying up to me so hard that wedding bells were ringing. Because I am Townie Fucking Obvtown.

Bardiche · « **Reply #445 on:** March 25, 2014, 05:56:35 AM »

Quote

Even when it comes to defending you, Bard was following my lead and buddying up to me so hard that wedding bells were ringing.

~Timezones~. Had I been the first to catch it I still would have insisted the same. This argument is meaningless since you can't prove it one way or the other.
Just stomping your feet and going "I AM TOWN I AM TOWN" doesn't mean it's true. And it isn't. Besides, "Bardiche is the waifu of my heart" is pretty fierce buddying on your part. More than any "buddying" I've done to you.

One thing I caught during continued reading:
Shadoweh wants O4rfish dead for suspecting her. It can't get any clearer than that. Referring to this post again, note Shadoweh's case on O4rfish is what seems to be PoE and "I hope O4rfish has a scummy day". Sky Paladin, maybe look beyond the actions and more towards the motivations. Where I plainly pointed out what I thought was scummy about O4rfish and the entire game have consistently been building cases and putting in effort to show my arguments, Shadoweh's been skimping over everything going all "this person is town" and "this person is Scum"─recall CF7. Shadoweh voted him "because everything is terrible" and then stuck with it. Made a post about "looking into CF7 in depth" where CF7 hardly even posted. That's rather inattentive of Town; how do you look at someone "in depth" through, what, three two-liners or so? CF7 hardly posted much if anything.

Last post I made a mention of Shadoweh opening D2 with an arbitrary SB vote (voting the weakest link/easiest mislynch?), when she jumps onto O4rfish (next easy mislynch as a wagon was forming), she doesn't give any reasons as for why O4rfish over SB now.

Also.

Quote

I can't say I've paid any real attention to BT and my angry stares at Conq have turned into blissful snores.

>angry stares
obv shadoweh trying to crumb traqr omggg

Being facetious here but I honestly think this may be why I used that specific term, that I can't imagine Shadoweh doing anything but "angry stares". Because she wrote it herself.

Bardiche · « **Reply #446 on:** March 25, 2014, 06:01:35 AM »

Also, in this post Shadoweh admits that she was just pushing for anyone Not Sky Paladin. If that isn't buddying up hard to you I don't know what is, Sky Pal. In hindsight I can't believe I didn't notice this before and let her get away with it. She further buddies up to Conq here with the "mindlink" nonsense.

I like this post best. I think Scum innately have issues finding people genuinely scummy. Shadoweh admits she doesn't find anyone scummy. She finds everyone Town. That's a severe lack of healthy Townie paranoia and I know a bunch of people have issues with making bullshit cases on Town when they know for sure it's a Townie.

I'm going to propose Shadoweh is one of them.

Bardiche · « **Reply #447 on:** March 25, 2014, 06:04:30 AM »

Shadoweh's attempts at controlling the LYLO here is also just to throw tantrums and be yelling instead of trying to argue and reason why she isn't the Scum but I am. I think it's because she honestly knows I'm not Scum and can't make the case.

Like she hasn't been doing all game. Except on CF7, who was Scum. And she knew it. Because she was his buddy.

Hard bus like fuck. Balls the size of Canada.

Shadoweh · « **Reply #448 on:** March 25, 2014, 06:12:46 AM »

Sure I can. The proof is that I said 'there is a likely way that he can be VT and telling the truth' and pushed it until everyone got off the easily lynched person, and then you came in way after this was achieved to agree that he wouldn't claim VT. So one of us stopped a town lynch from happening, and the other jumped onto the cool kids bandwagon. Too bad if you 'would have' done the same thing. Close only counts in Horseshoes and Hand Grenades.

"Gosh Sky Pal, if this isn't Shadoweh being nice to you I just don't know what is!" I have never had issues calling easy lynches scummy as scum. I find Townies and work my way from there, not crazy Everyone is Scum paranoia. I've also made the case at least three times today, it's as simple as you avoiding calling your partners scummy and then being forced to endure being targetted until today. I'm sorry I decided I didn't want to kill them all with you Bard, but I promised I would catch all the scum this game, and that includes you.

Sky_Paladin · « **Reply #449 on:** March 25, 2014, 06:16:38 AM »

I've re-ISO'd both of you, just reading only this time.

I can't make a good case based on role shenanigans except that ages ago I said it was a 1 v 1 versus Shadoweh and Bardiche, and what do you know, it is.

I can't make a good case based on interactions because Bard has made lots of cases on several different people whereas Shadoweh really only made cases on people who were actually scum.

I can't make a case based on votes because you both voted along side scums >.>;;

I can't make a case based on playstyle because you both raged at some point.

So in the end I'm going to go with gut, and I am trying to explain my feelings so that I don't look like an idiot.

Having re-read your posts, thinking "My name is Bard and I am town" and "My name is Shadoweh and I am town", I feel like Bard has done the most to interrogate and try to solve the mystery. Even though he was wrong more often than Shadoweh was, the one who seems most genuine and asked sensible questions was Bard. Maybe it's just because Shadoweh is passive aggressive a lot, and I think that's stalling/scummy.

Anyway I am sure we can argue back and forth all day and not come to a good decision. I'm just a vanilla town, what do I know.

##vote Shadoweh