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paranoia doesn't come with a lane-wide targeted stun lol. it doesn't matter if skyfall is channeled, if they were anywhere near the centerISH area of the target, pantheon had a guaranteed stun as you literally cannot walk out of the range fast enough to avoid it. this would near guarantee a flash or kill, or possibly even a flash and ult to get away depending on who he attacked. nocturne also doesn't do anywhere near as much damage and doesn't get guaranteed crits if you get low
as it turns out, riskless champions that reduce interaction in the entire match, who's counterplay basically amounts to "better have flash!" are unhealthy for the game and get gutted. who knew?
> Points at the Teleport/Distortion buff.
You have more to worry about than a mandrop.
i do believe i said this earlier, but buying distortion boots means that you're losing out in combat stats and can set your lane way behind. teleport ganking is basically a laning phase only thing, but if you spend ~1.4-1.8k of your laning gold on just boots, while the opponent buys something like a brutalizer or sheen or phage or glacial shroud or kindlegem, you're going to be getting your ass slammed in lane because you invested over a thousand gold for something you can use only once every 300 seconds. this will basically only be a tactic that works when the teleport laner is already monstrously ahead in lane and can afford the early boot enchantment on top of their items, and can afford to give up the reduced cooldown of teleport as well as pressuring top lane enough to not lose the turret while they're gone.
additionally, if you buy distortion boots specifically for teleport ganking, you HAVE to get two kills out of it to make it worth it for yourself. or like, a kill, an assist and dragon/bot turret. but if you stay long enough to take an objective too, you're likely losing your own turret making it far less worth it. honestly i don't really see distortion being bought for teleport, i see it being bought for the increased flash range
Sivir has spellsheild and ultimate to get out.
laffo, why would pantheon attack the sivir when there'd also be a juicy free kill on the support? also spell shield is really easy to bait out.
Vayne has her ultimate, Tumble and Condemn.
so he presses one button and forces vayne to use her ult, and then he just kills her support.
Caitlyn has her range in the first place, can plonk down a trap and use her net to get back.
too bad pantheon's stun will cast before the snare applies to him. what happens is mandrop damage -> pantheon stun -> root applies -> root doesn't matter because pantheon already stunned.
Lucian can dash out of the ring and R as he backs up.
i can speak from extensive personal experience that lucian's dash is nowhere near long enough to escape mandrop unless he was already at the rim of the ring
Jinx can put down chompers and run, and has zap.
see: caitlyn
Grand Skyfall has a 150 second cooldown. All of those abilities have far shorter.
why are you thinking of this in a pantheon vs laner sense? that's entirely the wrong way to think about it. in a scenario where pantheon blows his ult and the only result is that the bot lane adc used their ultimate to escape, then that means
their ultimate and the pressure created by its potential is gone. vayne ults to stealth and escape? well now vayne's level 6 trading potential is severely diminished and her opponents have a large window to counter engage and win the lane.
Not xactly many other AD's were played before Pantheon, or now. Even the lesser played ones that are played, Ezreal, Corki and Tristana, can easily get out. All of the common AD's can easily escape Grand Skyfall, and this is before accounting for things such as a Thresh' Dark Passage, or a Morgana's Black Shield.
except bot lane skyfalls don't work like that. your bot lane engages them and then you ult slightly behind the fight. they no longer have any sort of escape possible and are forced to commit to the fight that they are horridly disadvantaged in. it's real easy to be like "wah wah wah all these abilities beat mandrop" if you just talk like pantheon is trying to target them with it.
If the ring is placed significantly behind you, it's usually a reactionary ultimate and you are already fighting a winning battle. Finish it and you can probobly run past Pantheon with the other two too weak. If you're shoving that hard and you are not ahead in the first place against a Pantheon, you deserve to be ganked like that, because you are being dumb.
this statement is just factually incorrect. this is the 2+2=3 of mandrop theory.
If you use Tumble to get out you're not in a dominating position? With it's cooldown?
tumble is nowhere near long enough to escape skyfall
If you use Caitlyn net you're not in a dominateing position? When Caitlyn net is usually an escape?
neither is caitlyn's net, but she has a larger safety area than others at least
And as I said, if you are in a dominateing position and pushed up when you know Pantheon is nearing Lv 6, and he's ulting to cut off your escape, just kill the people in front of you if you are 'dominateing' that hard. If you're not, you shouldn't be pushed up that far Lv 6 against a Pantheon, and Pantheon is hardly the only champion you shouldn't be doing this against. Thresh, Elise, Lee Sin, Nocturne, Twisted Fate, Shen anyone with Teleport, Vi... do I need to go on?
the problem is that if you are dominating bot lane, you die to panth ult
if you are losing bot lane, you die to panth ult turret dive because he blocks two turret shots
additionally "not pushing up" is a bad excuse. "not pushing up" implies lack of interaction and gameplay. it's the same problem caused by stealth and old evelynn and shaco when he was good. the mere picking of pantheon reduces the amount of player to player interaction in the game, because the pantheonless team does not feel safe making plays while he is on the map
I wasn't under the impression that someone such as Vayne, Jinx or Caitlyn needed to completely crush their lanes and permapush to the turret by level 6 to carry the lategame.
oh look, completely ridiculous hyperbole
Well have fun relying on your mid and jungle to carry the mid game and not losing in that time while you wait for lategame then.
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