Author Topic: Touhou Gameplay Help Thread #7 - Not just for spell card help after all  (Read 182164 times)

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I got my first two Lunatic 1ccs on back-to-back days less than 6 months after starting, and that was despite having a pretty bad mentality at the time. There are a bunch of things that can go into it, as others have mentioned already. But you don't want to get caught up in what are arbitrary numbers - however long it happens is however long it happens. Put in the work and you'll get it done.
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It took me 3-4 years to get my first Lunatic 1cc (TD) and then at least another year to get the next one (MoF or SA, i don't remember). Only now am I really able to consistently 1cc Lunatics (7 years of play). However, let it be known that I still have not 1cced TD again since the first time, oops.

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Thanks for the replies. School takes most of my free time so I don't play too much. I play when I get a chance and when I feel like it, so it is pretty random. :D

For example: I play for 1 hour on Sunday, then I don't play for 2 weeks, then I play 2 hours on Saturday and Sunday, then I don't play for 3 days, then I play for 2 hours on Wednesday, Thursday and Friday etc.

I got my first Hard 1cc on 28th February and my first Extra clear on 23rd March, so considering my free time, my goal was to do a Lunatic 1cc before the end of June. I don't know if that will be possible, though. :(

Re: Touhou Gameplay Help Thread #7 - Not just for spell card help after all
« Reply #723 on: June 08, 2016, 05:11:47 PM »
I finally got to final B in IN yesterday with Sakuya and Remilia, but I died a minute into the stage, and the game ended. I wanna retry today, so could I have some tips for when I'm up to the final stage? Thanks.

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Re: Touhou Gameplay Help Thread #7 - Not just for spell card help after all
« Reply #724 on: June 14, 2016, 01:49:21 PM »
I finally got to final B in IN yesterday with Sakuya and Remilia, but I died a minute into the stage, and the game ended. I wanna retry today, so could I have some tips for when I'm up to the final stage? Thanks.

Well i don't have/play IN, so i can't help you much, but have a look and see how many times you bomb on your run, this can give you an idea of how effectively you're bombing, you could also just see a replay of someone else or a youtube video in order to learn new strats.
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Re: Touhou Gameplay Help Thread #7 - Not just for spell card help after all
« Reply #725 on: June 20, 2016, 04:37:59 PM »
Right... so I've died twice on Kaguya before I can get to her final spellcards, but I have a really good feeling about this one. If you die on any of her final spells, will it be like Eirin where you can still get a normal or good ending? Or do you just get a bad ending if you fail on Kaguya's finals? I really need help on this. I need some tips too. Thanks!

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Re: Touhou Gameplay Help Thread #7 - Not just for spell card help after all
« Reply #726 on: June 20, 2016, 04:53:05 PM »
Depends on what you count as "final". Kaguya has 4 nonspells and 5 regular spells. After the fifth, you've cleared.

The remaining 5 spells after the music changes are Last Spells, which are just for a scoring bonus. Getting hit on a Last Spell will never kill you, but Kaguya's Last Spells will advance the clock if you fail (if it reaches 5am she stops giving Last Spells, but you're still considered to have 1cc-ed).

Re: Touhou Gameplay Help Thread #7 - Not just for spell card help after all
« Reply #727 on: July 01, 2016, 04:38:01 PM »
Having trouble with LoLK. I managed to get help for Doremy's boss, but I'm having a lot of trouble with Sagume, non-spells and spell cards. Can someone help me out with Sagume please?

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Re: Touhou Gameplay Help Thread #7 - Not just for spell card help after all
« Reply #728 on: July 03, 2016, 09:45:28 PM »
Having trouble with LoLK. I managed to get help for Doremy's boss, but I'm having a lot of trouble with Sagume, non-spells and spell cards. Can someone help me out with Sagume please?
Which difficulty? If it's on Normal, then I think I can help a little.
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Re: Touhou Gameplay Help Thread #7 - Not just for spell card help after all
« Reply #729 on: July 04, 2016, 04:16:50 AM »
hi!

this has probably been posted/asked before, but anyways..

so I'm trying to clear LoLK on Normal with Sanae. My main problem at the moment, is Clownpiece. I need a lot of help with pretty much all of her attacks, besides her third spellcard.

I feel really stupid that I can't do any of these, but oh well
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Re: Touhou Gameplay Help Thread #7 - Not just for spell card help after all
« Reply #730 on: July 06, 2016, 02:24:39 PM »

so I'm trying to clear LoLK on Normal with Sanae. My main problem at the moment, is Clownpiece. I need a lot of help with pretty much all of her attacks, besides her third spellcard.

The first and second nonspell is literally 'git gud', although the latter is easier. The third nonspell can be done easily by moving only towards one horizontal direction for each wave of laser.

The first spell is quite tricky. You must have a correct routing while also dodging the random stars. Avoid getting into cluttered stars and always ready to tap/release the focus button quickly for macrododging. The routing is very complicated, you have to learn it yourself.

I never captured the second spell lol, but I always start it right under Clownpiece's foot for maximum grazing. Since you use Sanae, you might as well try to dodge the first two wave before spam your bomb.

How do you do the third spell with Reisen? ;_;

Sanae should be able to trivialize the fourh spell since she has homing focused and powerful unfocused. Move in horizontal '8' while focused, but get ready to unfocus should the laser almost sandwich you.

The fifth spell is pure routing, and should be the easiest among all spells.

Hope that helps. (And yes, that third spell question is a legit question)
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Re: Touhou Gameplay Help Thread #7 - Not just for spell card help after all
« Reply #731 on: July 06, 2016, 04:02:25 PM »
For the 2nd spell you can move in big U shapes to misdirect the stars (though this usually times out rather than capture)

The 3rd one is tricky, you have to slow the bullets from the middle of the screen, but just a little bit, then back down and then go through the gap the normal bullets leave, check out Jaimers's stage perfect video, it's on Lunatic,but that spell doesn't change very much. I don't know if Reisen can microtap like Marisa, but I guess it doesn't hurt to try it once

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Re: Touhou Gameplay Help Thread #7 - Not just for spell card help after all
« Reply #732 on: August 02, 2016, 06:09:35 PM »
So after a bit of a break from touhou i have come back trying to 1cc normal EOSD.  Ive been pushing myself by playing on hard and managed to get to stage 4. One thing i noticed is that using Reimu A seems to be very slow with beating a spellcard to the point where id bomb twice for both spell and nonspell. Is there another character that would be easiest to clear with?

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Re: Touhou Gameplay Help Thread #7 - Not just for spell card help after all
« Reply #733 on: August 02, 2016, 06:29:44 PM »
So after a bit of a break from touhou i have come back trying to 1cc normal EOSD.  Ive been pushing myself by playing on hard and managed to get to stage 4. One thing i noticed is that using Reimu A seems to be very slow with beating a spellcard to the point where id bomb twice for both spell and nonspell. Is there another character that would be easiest to clear with?

Well, Reimu A is the easiest to focus on staying alive yes, but it also suffers from a weak DPS compared to Reimu B and Marisa, although she has a strong bomb too

I'd say try Reimu B a bit then, she has a mich betfer DPS but a weaker bomb that is more focused on point collection, or if you wanna mix it up try Marisa A for the highest DPS in the game.

Re: Touhou Gameplay Help Thread #7 - Not just for spell card help after all
« Reply #734 on: August 02, 2016, 07:10:12 PM »
Is marisa b  any good anymore? I remember her master spark being really good for some reason

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Re: Touhou Gameplay Help Thread #7 - Not just for spell card help after all
« Reply #735 on: August 02, 2016, 07:39:00 PM »
IIRC, she is the go-to for score i think, the laser pierces enemies, but isn't continuous and her bomb is the strongest and lasts the longest of the bunch.

Re: Touhou Gameplay Help Thread #7 - Not just for spell card help after all
« Reply #736 on: August 02, 2016, 07:55:11 PM »
I guess ill stick to reimu a then  especially since she makes patchy stage easier. is there much of a difference between normal and hard? im literally only playing hard to make normal easier for 1cc. Sorry for all the questions

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Re: Touhou Gameplay Help Thread #7 - Not just for spell card help after all
« Reply #737 on: August 02, 2016, 08:21:39 PM »
Yes, more spellcards and most of the bosses will have different patterns from normal, Patchouli's spellcards also change depending on your character and shot type.

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Re: Touhou Gameplay Help Thread #7 - Not just for spell card help after all
« Reply #738 on: August 02, 2016, 11:20:20 PM »
IIRC, she is the go-to for score i think

ReimuB has a higher world record score on every difficulty except extra. The go-to for score is clearly ReimuB, then.

Also, ReimuB has the highest damage output in the game while shotgunning. MarisaA deals more damage from a distance though.

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Re: Touhou Gameplay Help Thread #7 - Not just for spell card help after all
« Reply #739 on: August 03, 2016, 12:00:28 AM »
Oh i see, thanks for the clear up, i`m nothing much either.

Re: Touhou Gameplay Help Thread #7 - Not just for spell card help after all
« Reply #740 on: August 03, 2016, 09:36:27 AM »
I'm guessing I should go with Marisa a then? I'm not too worried about score I just want to clear the game. I'm having trouble with reimu a and my guess that would be because as the timer goes down the spell gets harder? I remember that happening with the other games. Other then that I know the patterns but I keep running into bullets on accident trying to get items. Anyways should I go for Marisa a or reimu b? Or is reimu a still the best bet?

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Re: Touhou Gameplay Help Thread #7 - Not just for spell card help after all
« Reply #741 on: August 03, 2016, 10:26:46 AM »
Honestly, just try all of them and choose the one that feels the best for you.

Re: Touhou Gameplay Help Thread #7 - Not just for spell card help after all
« Reply #742 on: August 05, 2016, 06:06:06 PM »
ok so after trying every character ive gotten furthest with marisa a that i have in awhile. i think i have figured out my problem: i keep bombing too much. And as dumb as it seems i tend to use 2-3 bombs on cirno alone... as for the rest of the game i know all the spellcard patterns after at stage 3-6  that i remember from 2 years ago watching replays  but sakuyas stage is harder than her as the boss for me lol. but mostly i feel i might be bombing too much. maybe if i uploaded a replay of my next run it would help to see what im doing wrong?

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Re: Touhou Gameplay Help Thread #7 - Not just for spell card help after all
« Reply #743 on: August 05, 2016, 06:18:39 PM »
Hmm....

Why don't you try out stage practice with a No Bombing style ? Also, do you know how to stream ?

Re: Touhou Gameplay Help Thread #7 - Not just for spell card help after all
« Reply #744 on: August 05, 2016, 06:42:55 PM »
Oh yea i know how to stream. After beating legacy of lunatic kingdom on pointdevice and MoF. But i guess those would be obvious to know how to stream? anyways i guess i could try no bombs on practice mode. i havent really figured out where to stream in eosd but have noticed a few places where if i simply move my chararcter i get lucky and not get it. Are alot of paterns in eosd aimed at you. if so will simply moving your character to a a different position help? i think thats what streaming is. I feel like i should know this stuff after playing touhou for 5 years xd

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Re: Touhou Gameplay Help Thread #7 - Not just for spell card help after all
« Reply #745 on: August 05, 2016, 07:45:02 PM »
Oh then it's just a routing issue.

I recommend studying where the enemy waves start at, that way you can kill it faster and lower the amount of danmaku in the screen, use other replays if you can too.

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Re: Touhou Gameplay Help Thread #7 - Not just for spell card help after all
« Reply #746 on: August 21, 2016, 10:24:31 PM »
No-bombs practice mode is a good way to learn, unless you also want to learn how to plan your bombs. No-miss is also something nice to go for if you are bomb-planning as well.
Of course, no-bombs no-miss is ideal, but I wouldn't expect you to be at that level yet.

Aimed patterns are always aimed at your hitbox's current position the moment they are fired.
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Re: Touhou Gameplay Help Thread #7 - Not just for spell card help after all
« Reply #747 on: August 22, 2016, 01:19:39 AM »
Okay, so I'm probably about to sound really dumb, but meh lol.

I really need help on how to do Marisa's last spellcard on Normal, in Imperishable Night.

I was trying to do a no bombs run of IN normal, and I died so many times on this spell, it's actually embarrassing.

I've tried watching replays and stuff, and I'm using spell practice  a lot, but I still can't get the hang of it.

I can deal with everything else that Marisa has, except this one spell. So uh, yeah.

Thanks in advance~
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Re: Touhou Gameplay Help Thread #7 - Not just for spell card help after all
« Reply #748 on: August 22, 2016, 02:59:36 AM »
Okay, so I'm probably about to sound really dumb, but meh lol.

I really need help on how to do Marisa's last spellcard on Normal, in Imperishable Night.

I was trying to do a no bombs run of IN normal, and I died so many times on this spell, it's actually embarrassing.

I've tried watching replays and stuff, and I'm using spell practice  a lot, but I still can't get the hang of it.

I can deal with everything else that Marisa has, except this one spell. So uh, yeah.

Thanks in advance~
Are you talking about the final spell card, or the last spell? If it's the final card, IIRC it's just streaming little stars while watching for where lasers will spawn. I could be horribly wrong though since it's been a while since I last played IN.
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Re: Touhou Gameplay Help Thread #7 - Not just for spell card help after all
« Reply #749 on: August 22, 2016, 03:24:44 AM »
Are you talking about the final spell card, or the last spell? If it's the final card, IIRC it's just streaming little stars while watching for where lasers will spawn. I could be horribly wrong though since it's been a while since I last played IN.
Marisa's final regular spell is trivial streaming on all difficulties except Normal. On Normal there are 3-way stars that require significantly more effort to stream. (Did ZUN mix up the difficulties on this pattern?)