Author Topic: Medaka Box Mafia - Night 4  (Read 74569 times)

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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #750 on: March 15, 2014, 09:52:32 AM »
Votecount
Shadoweh (4): Bardiche, Sacchi Hikaru, BT, Sky Paladin
ActionDan (1): ActionDan
Conqueror (0):
Serela (0):
Sky Paladin (0):
Zakeri (0):
Sacchi Hikaru (0):
SB (0):
BT (0):
Bardiche (0):

Not voting: Conqueror, Serela, Zakeri, Shadoweh, SB

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to make a king.

You have ~62 hours remaining.

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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #751 on: March 15, 2014, 11:06:24 AM »
Oh you guys.  :blush: I never asked for this! I'm going to end up biting my nails off in terror over this.

Dan, you would be an easy choice, I'll call you the Katsuki choice right now. Your play dropped off so far that it's gone off the deep end into ima lurking scumbag territory. Get your ass back in here and either help me find real scum or continue acting like a lurksack. I promise not to drink really heavily if I do end up being Queened <_<


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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #752 on: March 15, 2014, 11:32:05 AM »
Dan, you would be an easy choice, I'll call you the Katsuki choice right now. Your play dropped off so far that it's gone off the deep end into ima lurking scumbag territory. Get your ass back in here and either help me find real scum or continue acting like a lurksack. I promise not to drink really heavily if I do end up being Queened <_<
His ramblings about his role and others makes it pretty unlikely that he's scum but that's a horribly lame reason. One that I would still use to put him deep on the waiting list, though. The only noteworthy thing about his play is that he opted to go for Zak (I think?) over CF7 for some chunk of D1. Dan should make cases.

I've already said my stuff about Zak himself, though I'm still not sure. I'll see if I'm able to case Bard today.

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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #753 on: March 15, 2014, 12:26:54 PM »
My reaction while reading the thread:
"wtf why are people trying to lynch shadoweh"
"wait"

SB, how does your governor effect the 'town may only no-lynch oncetwice' situation?

No idea.

Would still like SB to respond to me from yesterday, vis-a-vis the following:

Basically I think that you're competent and self-aware enough as scum to get away with tunneling Serela as scum while as town I believe you would've at least had some form of secondary player to pursue. The fact that you basically did the same thing yesterday didn't really help matters.

That said, I'm going to look into some nullreads now.

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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #754 on: March 15, 2014, 01:04:38 PM »
Oh, and I don't think that the Rawr and NNR kills were odd to make at all? They were both universal townreads, as far as I can tell.

But yeah, I read Serela and I don't like him.

Serela's earlygame is meh, it's just a bunch of words about how to play with/around certain roles and voting Shadoweh for thinking he's town? Even then he discredits the vote in a later post which makes me a little skeptical. His later vote switch to Sky basically seems to be reporting what he did, then saying that he hadn't really done anything noteworthy.

 I also find it weird how he gives CF7 a newbie pass but not SkyPaladin? I also find his random voteblocking of BT weird since there was no reason for someone to doubt the Ascetic claim and nobody even suspected BT iirc? He also says "man someone on the CF7 wagon is probably scum" but then doesn't actually do anything about looking into the votes and just continues on Sky, who I think is his only scumread despite the fact he said "lots of people are scummy this game".

His change of opinions on CF7 just seems like he's accepted that he's going to be lynched. His D2 opener is like "well Sky or SB are definitely scummy lets go" but didnt actually mention much about me at all? This is also ignoring the fact that he spent a lot of D1 defending CF7 himself by pretty much yelling "LOOK AT SKYPALADIN HIMSELF". I find it kind of weird that those two statements almost seemed to be consistantly linked together? I dunno if that makes any sense, but I don't feel good about it.

Looking afterwards, Serela has never actually mentioned me? At least for a few pages after declaring that he would be happy with my lynch. A good chunk of his posts for the next few pages are "there are no VTs gg SkyPaladin" and similar posts that don't actually contribute to finding scum at all? The next read he actually posts is basically him waffling on O4rfish saying that it could be town!O4rfish but it was also really scummy which is pretty much a terrible read to give out.

Then there are more posts of no real contributions but once he backed down from SkyPaladin he suddenly has no scumreads, not even me who he apparently figured that I was scummy enought ot llynch at the start of the day, and I think that was literally the only time that Serela has mentioned me until Sky gives a (bad) case on me and then he blatantly sheeps it without actually adding anything to the case himself, which is wonderful.

Honestly Serela's play reads like he was desperately trying to avoid a D1 lynch when the alternate wagon is his scumbuddy, then he continued to coast on his D1 SkyPaladin vote until he couldn't any more, then sheeped a case on me despite never actually mentioning of my posts himself. Good stuff.

He should also voteblock me, just to prove his ability exists. Kingmaker means that my vote probably doesn't matter, and I'm happy with queen!Shadoweh anyway.

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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #755 on: March 15, 2014, 01:21:42 PM »
Basically I think that you're competent and self-aware enough as scum to get away with tunneling Serela as scum while as town I believe you would've at least had some form of secondary player to pursue.

Actually, I always do this. Look at GLaDOS being only into Snidely on Day 1─ny strategy is to go after the scummiest player and accept no alternatives, unless it's impossible to get my #1. Unlike some people, I want the scummiest player lynched at all times, not the second-scummiest.

I think this is absurd given you hereafter agree that Serela's Day 1 is scummy. How can you basically agree that Serela's D1 is very scummy (and his consequent posts too, imo) and yet chide me for wanting the Serela lynch hard on D1?

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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #756 on: March 15, 2014, 01:31:55 PM »
Because you did nothing BUT go after Serela's lynch. I'll admit that you being scum together is unlikely but I'm not making any assumptions until I see a flip.

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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #757 on: March 15, 2014, 01:46:03 PM »
Because you did nothing BUT go after Serela's lynch.

Well, that's a blatant lie.

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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #758 on: March 15, 2014, 01:52:04 PM »
That was a bad way to word it but eh. Your only scumread was Serela for at least the vast majority of the day and the rest of your reads basically ended up being paragraphs that just concluded the player was null.

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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #759 on: March 15, 2014, 01:54:34 PM »
That was a bad way to word it but eh. Your only scumread was Serela for at least the vast majority of the day and the rest of your reads basically ended up being paragraphs that just concluded the player was null.
Well, that's a blatant lie.

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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #760 on: March 15, 2014, 01:57:37 PM »
I'm reading your ISO and I really don't see it.

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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #761 on: March 15, 2014, 02:02:30 PM »
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CF7 smells more of noob than scummy, considering how super obvious the rolefish there is. Voting there also smells opportunistic to be honest.

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CF7 seems like the easy vote on newbies still. I only consider NNR's vote appreciable there. I'd borrow sugar from him without fearing for getting shanked. Sacchi looks like blatant hopping on the bandwagon, especially considering the "me too" part.

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Zakeri, if your top scumpicks are in order of mention CF7, Sky Paladin and Serela, then why is your vote on Serela? It honestly reads like a votepark considering you're voting him "until he develops reads [...]" on basically others. That's an extremely lazy vote if you can just abandon it once Serela does develop reads.

Everyone is scum in this game.

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He's town, Bard. Really probably town. God is Dead.
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Kingault? Probably.

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I personally would not lynch Sky Paladin, not even for consolidation.

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I don't think he's the scum we're looking for.

Either you're wilfully misrepping there or you seriously cannot understand that my aversion to lynching specific people and my questioning of other specific people is "null".

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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #762 on: March 15, 2014, 02:02:44 PM »
isn't "null"*

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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #763 on: March 15, 2014, 02:27:09 PM »
Townreads are fine, but you need scumreads too.

That said I think this disagreement is based almost entirely around semantics so eh.

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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #764 on: March 15, 2014, 02:45:14 PM »
Also I'm here and even have some ~*~thoughts~*~ of my own, but I think I'm going to save them and my slight insider's knowledge a little longer. I kinda of agree with BT about Dan's rants, but the alterative choices are all people I'm going to feel super terrible for lynching if they're town  T_T Why can't mafia be easy?


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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #765 on: March 15, 2014, 02:49:13 PM »
Shadoweh: elaborate?

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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #766 on: March 15, 2014, 03:13:44 PM »
What part of keeping my thoughts to myself don't you understand >:T
Who do you think would be scum with Serela btw, I don't see anyone that would explain the PX-level weird kills. Serela is also a, let's say simple killer and I don't see him avoiding the hard people to nightkill two people that commonly get themselves lynched, as townie as people were perceiving them.


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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #767 on: March 15, 2014, 03:28:59 PM »
Hmmhmm, Bard, what SB might be pointing out is how "Serela killer" is a very apt summary of your D1. Your complete disinterest in the CF7 wagon stemmed from the very early notion that "CF7's rolefishing is too obvious". It's a completely baseless stance, and not only did it suffice for you to henceforth ignore the wagon, it turned out to be false. Your Serela case at a glance was fine (I do think it was unreasonable at some points, but I'll address that later) but that doesn't absolve you from barking up the wrong tree while excusing yourself from looking at the scum counterwagon due to a weak earlygame argument.

CF7 reeked of newbie. The rolefish was so blatantly obvious, it was like making a first post claiming Scum. Nobody does that. Only the inexperienced even rolefish. I chose to believe it was too easy of a lynch and that a scum newbie would not be so blatantly obvious about it either; I've also never played with him before so I didn't know his playstyle. Bard never goes for the easy lynch, except when he does.
See, as it stands, you apologize for being wrong and move on. I claim the weight you gave the post in question is overblown. I claim it's unlikely to have happened to you as town. Here, I'll quote it so it's there for convenience -

Oh that happens. Do you get some special stuff for selfvoting?
Here it is. What you said was "like making a first post claiming scum". No, not really. Not at all. I don't believe you'd be blinded by something this... normal, honestly, so much that it would conveniently let you name CF7 a wagoned townie for the rest of the day. CF7's post doesn't stand out that much no matter how you look at it.

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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #768 on: March 15, 2014, 03:35:53 PM »
Can't complain too much at SB's case given I was legitimately pretty terrible d2, but there's definitely -some- parts I can refute.

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His later vote switch to Sky basically seems to be reporting what he did, then saying that he hadn't really done anything noteworthy.
Um, yes, voting people who are doing basically nothing worth anything at all, is a completely legit course of action.

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I also find it weird how he gives CF7 a newbie pass but not SkyPaladin?
What? Are you being serious here? I can't even understand how you can -seriously- come to this conclusion. I'm not entirely sure how to respond to this though, because it's fairly meta I guess? But I think this is a ridiculous accusation.

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also find his random voteblocking of BT weird since there was no reason for someone to doubt the Ascetic claim and nobody even suspected BT iirc?
This is also ridiculous. I have a day power I'm literally probably not even going to use otherwise, I see no reason not to test BT's claim with it just in case. Yeah, I highly doubted he was lying, and even if he was scum he was probably a scum ascetic. But if I'm not even going to use it otherwise, why in the world is it bad for me to test the claim?

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He also says "man someone on the CF7 wagon is probably scum" but then doesn't actually do anything about looking into the votes ------------ His change of opinions on CF7 just seems like he's accepted that he's going to be lynched.
I read over everyone and said in probably the same sentence that I can't tell who it'd be. CF7 actually flipped scum though so. Anyway, if you look back at D1, there's a part where CF7 comes back and he's just like "well I could vote X, Y, or Z I guess I'll vote Z lol bye" and I immediately went "uh, okay cf7 you're making it really hard for me to argue you're null anymore >_>;" which is supposed to explicitly imply "god that post was scummy" and in my later posts I explicitly say that, especially once he never came back and said anything else. I didn't just accept his lynch, CF7 make a post that was actually scummy as hell levels of lazy and he never came back, so he actually became really bad. At the end of the day I had forgotten it for a minute so I was searching for a different wagon but then I realized that wouldn't work, and only afterwords remembered cf7 probably needed lynching after all :V

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The next read he actually posts is basically him waffling on O4rfish saying that it could be town!O4rfish but it was also really scummy which is pretty much a terrible read to give out.
This is a big misrep of how I handled o4rfish; I was saying "Well, he's new, but... well actually these posts are pretty scummy." Then I complained about the bickering over Kingault's presence and said that part was null but, that, again, o4rfish's actions were actually fairly scummy. After awhile I remembered BT had given reasons for the slot to be town, and upon that I immediately started going against the o4rfish lynch. BT never restated those reasons though like I asked (He said -himself- he was going to do it before I even asked, so I figured that was fine, the second time I didn't have any time to do it myself) so bah.

...but yeah all the parts where I didn't really scumhunt d2 are totes legit `-` But, uh, half of your case misrepresents me and the rest I feel are completely unwarranted pokes. Still want you lynched even if I never actually made a case on why *coughcough* but I'd probably not feel bad about OMGUS'ing you for this case if it wasn't that it's Kingmaker today.
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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #769 on: March 15, 2014, 03:37:30 PM »
I'm pretty sure that SB is scum, and that you should bow before me, SB etcetc no voting for you to prove my power exists
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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #770 on: March 15, 2014, 03:37:59 PM »
(not that voteblocker isn't a fairly scummy power in itself but)
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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #771 on: March 15, 2014, 03:40:24 PM »
bt is town but I probably need to reread conq/sach/zak at some point today

Dan is lovely unpresence as usual, so, ;_;
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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #772 on: March 15, 2014, 03:42:28 PM »
Bard who do you read as scum atm? if anyone?

Don't lynch me.

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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #773 on: March 15, 2014, 03:52:42 PM »
re:SB claiming gov, it's actually the best because dear god I hope Dormio wouldn't really put a self-governoring scum into the game (Just think about that for a second) , so if he can do it to himself then hooray, mislynch prevented, and if he can't HOORAY HE'S SCUM. Or mislynched town I guess since, really, even a town-gov probably shouldn't be allowed to self-govern unless you really think it's good for the balance for whatever reason >>

But anyway yeah. SB claiming gov doesn't deter me at all.
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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #774 on: March 15, 2014, 03:58:52 PM »
serela voteblock me pls

also I can stop the day phase at any time so.

You also seem to have uh, missed my massive wall above you. And the accusations that you have never said why I'm scum.

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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #775 on: March 15, 2014, 04:04:26 PM »
um sb you might want to scroll up a little

I think you missed every post I made other than the one about you being governor

although it's quite true I still haven't made much of a case why you're scum apart from the feel I get from your case! *COUGH*
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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #776 on: March 15, 2014, 04:06:19 PM »
re:SB claiming gov, it's actually the best because dear god I hope Dormio wouldn't really put a self-governoring scum into the game (Just think about that for a second) , so if he can do it to himself then hooray, mislynch prevented, and if he can't HOORAY HE'S SCUM. Or mislynched town I guess since, really, even a town-gov probably shouldn't be allowed to self-govern unless you really think it's good for the balance for whatever reason >>

But anyway yeah. SB claiming gov doesn't deter me at all.
From memory, didn't SB claim that he just stops a lynch from happening? Did he say he redirects the lynch onto someone else too? Anyway, I see the motivation scum would have for fakeclaiming governor, but why would Scum SB do it when he did?

I don't think either you or SB are scum. I still need to read SB, but that's what I think right now, anyway.

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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #777 on: March 15, 2014, 04:10:23 PM »
oh wow

how the fuck did i miss that

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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #778 on: March 15, 2014, 04:14:12 PM »
Who do you think would be scum with Serela btw, I don't see anyone that would explain the PX-level weird kills. Serela is also a, let's say simple killer and I don't see him avoiding the hard people to nightkill two people that commonly get themselves lynched, as townie as people were perceiving them.
Oh, thought I'd address the part about the kills again. I thought the NNR kill was perfectly normal. The rawr kill was the weird one, I guess, but notice that some other kill options didn't make as much sense. Conq claimed hated. TBH they could have killed me but I guess they knew I was harmless role-wise anyway. Bard and Zak would have been fine kills if town (HINT) but you had people like yourself, NNR and Serela being just... more obvious. And Dan lurks.

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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #779 on: March 15, 2014, 04:14:42 PM »
Also I'm sorry Serela that I'm so lethargic.  It's the card that life dealt me

Don't lynch me.