Medaka Box Mafia - Night 4

[Conqueror]

Which means I don't want to see any cases on people based on "they clearly wanted to quickhammer yesterday because they knew there wasn't actually a double day."

[WHMZakeri]

So uhh
I take back that bit about SB's role being the likely counter to the double day.

I'll have to read more later.

[Mr. Sacchi]

Okay, let me voice my reaction to these happenings:

What.

I can't give much insight right now though I do have a hunch, I'll try to explain it as soon as I get home.

@Dormio, does the result of D3 mean that we no longer have our no-lynch?

[BT]

I was sure even "D3" was caused by a role, to counter the double lynch one. Okay. This is less swingy. I'm satisfied.

I procrastinated this whole night, but I wanted to look at Bard, Zak and SB mainly. Shadoweh can be queen. Dan can be king if he pays attention.

[Conqueror]

@Dormio, does the result of D3 mean that we no longer have our no-lynch?

14) You may no-lynch TWICE throughout the game. Any further no-lynches will result in a universal loss.

There was a slight change after that happened.

[Conqueror]

Also BT just to give me piece of mind you could summarize in your own words the difference between your scum game and your town game? I'm reading Utena mafia and I'm reconfirming that I wouldn't have caught you there until your D3 case on Shadoweh.

[Mr. Sacchi]

I was sure even "D3" was caused by a role, to counter the double lynch one. Okay. This is less swingy. I'm satisfied.

Curious, 'cause there was no N2 for role shens, and everyone was roleblocked D2.

I believe it's safe to assume that the omniblock was also caused by role shens, but you claimed ascetic, did you not?

FoS BT

[Conqueror]

Sacchi, I'm claiming the omni block and the rest of the day role stuff.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Votecount
Conqueror (0):
Serela (0):
Sky Paladin (0):
Zakeri (0):
Shadoweh (0):
Sacchi Hikaru (0):
ActionDan (0):
SB (0):
BT (0):
Bardiche (0):

Not voting: Everybody

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to make a king.

You have ~71.5 hours remaining.

[Sky_Paladin]

I have to go to the dentist so this is short~

1 - I'm assuming Oarfish posted an unedited version of his role description (so not scum posting a fake claim doctored to look like a town claim) because it was complete enough to get him killed for it. 
Therefore I need to redo my ISO on SB because a large chunk of it appears to be confirmation bias. 

2 - SB claimed he had a governor and then pop day 3 ended. 
Did SB use his governor?  Did scum use some kind of 'force player to do x' ability?  Or did scum have their own governor?  I have actually never seen a governor used so I don't know what it's supposed to look like. 

3 - Why NNR?  Maybe he had a scum neighbour? Or maybe they wanted to implicate me for a night kill?  Struggling to think if NNR ever actually considered anybody other than me. 

What is a 'Dreaming God'?

4 - I didn't get any upgrades :/

5 - BT's ascetic claim kind of overlaps Oarfish, I think, but Dan also soft countered it too. 

6 - ?? there was something else but basically I don't want to go to the dentist and as soon as I hit post I gotta go.  Noooo ;_____;

[Mr. Sacchi]

My reading comprehension sucks then :derp:

I'll play properly when I get home, should be 2 hours from now. Also conq, that claim has just debunked every theory I had about this game and now I feel bad:fail:

[SB]

I think NNR's neighbour is likely town as I don't see why scum would waste a nightkill on a role they know to be useless. I dunno. i also haven't used my gov yet, so.

Going to sleep now, morning posts will probably happen.

[BT]

Also BT just to give me piece of mind you could summarize in your own words the difference between your scum game and your town game? I'm reading Utena mafia and I'm reconfirming that I wouldn't have caught you there until your D3 case on Shadoweh.

I was actually musing about my play on D2 for reasons I won't delve into, so this is fresh in my mind.

I like to know I'm doing good as scum. I don't get careless and just fly by the seat of my pants like I do in some of my town games. If you want examples of that in this game, something close was when I told you I think you're town but didn't like your reads. It's a really careless remark because I didn't double-check and decided to just trust my gut. Same thing goes with the Kingault thing, where I literally had to admit I was careless for calling him "obvtown after CF7's flip". It's the things I, as scum, would be aware were going to be hard / damaging to explain if people called me out on it.

That's the main thing that comes to mind I would put stock in, anyway. I could say I'm generally more hesitant to give out / invest in a lot of solid opinions as scum (including reversing reads) but I'm less sure about that.

Curious, 'cause there was no N2 for role shens, and everyone was roleblocked D2.

I believe it's safe to assume that the omniblock was also caused by role shens, but you claimed ascetic, did you not?

FoS BT

Yeah, you're right. It was just my reaction to seeing a day be skipped and how it was likely to counteract the "double lynch role". My bad. This doesn't really... mean anything, though.

5 - BT's ascetic claim kind of overlaps Oarfish, I think, but Dan also soft countered it too. 

That's a 'no' to both of those. Oarfish is kind of like a doubler. He could have gotten unlucky and wasted it on me a few times. That's why I pubclaimed early, though. I'm actually still unsure what Dan meant but he seemed to say something about how he wouldn't expect me to want to pubclaim, somehow based on his role? He can clarify if he wants.

I think NNR's neighbour is likely town as I don't see why scum would waste a nightkill on a role they know to be useless. I dunno. i also haven't used my gov yet, so.

Slightly likely, I guess, since NNR was townie enough to be a probable doc target, so they'd have had to risk it. It's not solid, but it's notable.

[Conqueror]

What is a 'Dreaming God'?

Here
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Dreaming_God

D1 was apparently a blank.

[Bardiche]

##Vote: Shadoweh
I'm utterly confident Shadoweh is Town and trust her to make the right decision. I think finishing up the kingmaker as soon as possible is best, so as to give our elected lyncher the time they need to make a decision; don't want to make it a hasted decision, and the sooner someone is elected king, the sooner we can give direction to this.



Conq, why did you first allude to someone being the dreaming god but then very quickly changing your mind and claiming here?

Forsooth!
Hast thou taken leave of thy senses?

Would still like SB to respond to me from yesterday, vis-a-vis the following:

"Tunnelling" isn't necessarily scum, so explain to me how my vote on Serela D1 is scum-motivated.

Going to reread Zakeri, Sacchi and Dan. I can't remember much of what Sacchi's done, I have bad gut with Zakeri. Don't like Dan's major disappearance during the Sky_Paladin debacle, and continued lack of presence afterwards; might be scum opportunism in watching the Town fall over itself for a mislynch.

[Shadoweh]

Conq, did you not know that your power was going to cancel out the next Day phase?
For that matter, do you not know what your powers do when they're used?

[Conqueror]

I picked among 10 powers during confirmation and I have no idea what any of them do.

Conq, why did you first allude to someone being the dreaming god but then very quickly changing your mind and claiming here?

I was going back and forth over what I should do wrt claim, but I suspected people would assume it was a scum ability and review people's D2 actions in that light. I was originally just going to crumb really hard but then Shadoweh posted something and then I just decided to claim to put an end to that direction of rolespec.

[Conqueror]

*It being what happened to D3. >_>

[ActionDan]

sadness.

##Vote: ActionDan

I'll role a die.

seems fair

[Shadoweh]

What's that, you're volunteering to be evicted? That's so nice of you Dan!

[Mr. Sacchi]

Yeah, you're right. It was just my reaction to seeing a day be skipped and how it was likely to counteract the "double lynch role". My bad. This doesn't really... mean anything, though.

I'll take this time to explain my thought process, just to clarify, since this exact thing was my "hunch" anyway.

So the omniblock was caused because of roleshenanigans, right? Well, N2 was completely skipped so nothing could've happened there, and D3 was also skipped but I assumed at the time it was because of a different role using a different power, since skipping Day Phases is essentially only detrimental to town, it could only be a scum thing, but everyone was roleblocked D2 so that made no sense. Except you had claimed ascetic, so I thought "well if he really is ascetic then he wouldn't be affected by the omniblock and could potentially have skipped D3" so yeah.

'Course, Conq's claim destroys that theory completely so... :fail:

Though I agree with Bard about wanting to make a King ASAP, I'm torn between Shadoweh and Conqueror right now on that, Shadoweh is pretty towny as far as D1 goes but then O4rfish pseudo-flips town (As Skypal pointed out, that Role PM seemed to be authentic enough to get him modkilled for it) and she was pushing O4rfish almost as hard as she was pushing CF7... I can't get over Bard's D1 tunelling the shit out of Serela and actually now that I think of it has Serela actually done anything in this game.

Gonna go reread Bard, Serela and Conqueror to try and solidify my reads (or reverse them, if needbe).

[Shadoweh]

I honestly wasn't pushing Oarfish hard at all, I was more pushing Not-Sky Paladin. >_> I wouldn't have minded if another wagon sprung up (and some were!) but uh, that got modkilled pretty quick. It's really fucking strange that Neko died. I mean that in a look over the player list way. In theory, at least I believe that he was tunneling on town, and he was pretty frustrated by the role confusion, so who targets him wanting him to die over Me/Bard/Conq/BT/SB? The obvious answer there is not all of us are town.

If BT is ascetic he wouldn't have any abilities to enjoy not being affected! I do not believe the Day/Night phase skip targetted anyone though, so being ascetic wouldn't have helped.

[Conqueror]

On the other hand, no one also suspected him given his position with respect to the D1 CF7 wagon, as opposed to me/Bard/BT/SB (3 of which were defending now flipped scum).
The rawr kill was stranger imo given the state of the game at the time, but I wasn't able to draw any conclusions beyond that whoever was on the scumteam was trolling.

[Mr. Sacchi]

I'm done with rereads, and I'm left with the impression that Serela has done nothing all game, which would be enough for me to want a lynch but CF7 was voting for Serela before he flipped and Serela was the only other D1 wagon and I'm pretty sure that makes Serela Town. Serela, if you rolled scum two games in a roll I'm gonna hate you forever.

I'll admit to trying real hard to look for scumminess in Conq's posts but I'm like "nope", he's pretty towny to me. I'm still iffy on Bard but that might just be because I think he's a bit too pushy sometimes, but my gut is screaming "TOWN" and I like to think my gut is right more than 50% of the time.

I went and took a quick reread through Shadoweh's D2 and yeah, she wasn't pushing for O4rfish nearly as hard as I thought so... ##Vote: Shadoweh.

[Sky_Paladin]

Dentist result:  Wisdom teeth coming out in June, urggg. 

I am busy this afternoon and won't have time to do any real mafia-ing for a couple of hours. 

Some quick thoughts:
I'm pretty happy to vote Shadoweh as I think she's super-town. 

Except, how confident are we that this is actually a kingmaker vote?  On day 2 we were told 'yeah the night phase will be skipped and you will get a second lynch'.  Then somehow we functionally did not skip the night phase - effectively we just had 'night 2' but it was called 'night 3'.  We also were told there were no vanilla townies but well I'm sure you get the theme now.  I'm worried that the 'winner' of the kingvote will actually get lynched. 

Finally;

SB, how does your governor effect the 'town may only no-lynch oncetwice' situation? 

[Mr. Sacchi]

Except, how confident are we that this is actually a kingmaker vote?  On day 2 we were told 'yeah the night phase will be skipped and you will get a second lynch'.  Then somehow we functionally did not skip the night phase - effectively we just had 'night 2' but it was called 'night 3'.  We also were told there were no vanilla townies but well I'm sure you get the theme now.  I'm worried that the 'winner' of the kingvote will actually get lynched. 

I'm pretty sure that's the very definition of WIFOM right there, are you suggesting we try to make a king that we in general, do not find very townie?

[Shadoweh]

I do not believe the mod will outright lie to us, which is what voting for someone while actually lynching them would be.

[Sky_Paladin]

are you suggesting we try to make a king that we in general, do not find very townie?

No, that's not what I meant.  I just thought that it seemed too good to be true, like yesterday, no-night phase seemed too good to be true. 

I'm probably just being unnecessarily paranoid.  I just closed my eyes and listened; what happened and what we were told are different. 

I'm very happy for Shadoweh to be kingmaker, I'll be equally distraught if it's a trap. 

[BT]

##Vote Shadoweh

It'd be way too bastard to disguise a lynch like that. Way too bastard for bastard. High level bastarddom. Dormio's a good girl, anyway.

[Sky_Paladin]

I just can't help but thinking Dormio kept saying 'its not the game, its the players'.  What if scum have an ability to post fake things in phase updates?  But then I saw in Dormio's update it says '6 to make a king'.  Unless they're somehow able to change the lynch words as well, it's just too far fetched. 

I'm just being irrational. 

##vote Shadoweh

I completely trust Shadoweh and tbh if it wasn't for her I would have been lynched last phase anyway, so if she decides to about face and lynch me anyway I have no complaints.  Have fun