Omerta - Town of Mafia (Game over Scum wins)

[Serela]

actually I guess if raikaria is actually a pr then I know it's skypal+dan for sure, barring something weird happens during massclaim pointing to schezo but rofl

Having to decide between Dan and SkyPaladin tomorrow might be annoying if that happens.

[Serela]

Having to decide between Dan and SkyPaladin tomorrow might be annoying if that happens.

"if that happens" meaning "if raikairia is lynched today so I have to pick dan or skypal tomorrow"

[Raikaria]

I'd like Raikaria to claim then popcorn it to whoever

You guys are lucky I checked the thread one last time before going to my bed for the night.

I'm a Doctor, as I was suggesting before with my statements about certain roles wanting to live. Also I'd rather I get hit than investigative roles. Ultimately the Doctor save is a crapshoot after all, and while I may perform a clutch save, I'd rather taker the nightkill than a Cop.

Night 1 I targeted Serela because as many others pointed out, Serela looked particularly town.
From then on I targeted Schezo as a confirmed townie.

Anyway, looking at what people are saying about who's scum, there is one common factor from all sides: ActionDan must be scum. Both Serela and Sky_Paladin say this, despite them being at each other's necks, and while personally I think it's ActionDan + Serela, we are at LYLO so I'd rather go for the one who is scum either way.

Therefor, I suggest we do this:

##Vote: Actiondan

[Serela]

I'm VT.

Dan?

[Serela]

I guess Schezo should also confirm he's one-shot and not a fullcop, too. That's a possibility for the last town PR letter if Raikaria is scum.

[Raikaria]

And who knows, maybe the reactions of the other two to this logic may be able to give us hints towards Day 5.

Although I must say, Sky has some towncred for not coming out with a Cop claim on Lylo and magically having a guilty. If that was the case I'd be suspicious. Of course his claim of 'everyone I copped diiiied!' might also be an attempt to blend into the town, but it's less suspicious than 'magical cop with a guilty out of nowhere on LYLO!'.

[Raikaria]

Serela I am fairly confident that if Schezo was a full cop since he had already outed he would have been giving reports.

[Serela]

to be fair darkie is a really off-the-wall kill and by lylo things are generally narrow enough that it's not weird for a cop to find scum that way

(this is being fair to both sides of the equation, fairness is important in mafia)

Also that may be true but still!

[Sky_Paladin]

Serela, your posts are full of self contradictory and nonsensical statements.  Even that post you linked just now that was supposed to show that Raikaria was your top scum pick is actually a post where you link to when you voted me, despite being sure that Dan was scum and still voting alongside him.  You never made a case on Raikaria. 

##vote ActionDan

[Raikaria]

I think it is also worth pointing out:

This is Serela.

At LYLO.

We should probobly disregard anything he says if you are a townie. Town!LYLO Serela tends to lose games, and Scum!Lylo Serela would... be trying to make town lose the game.

[Serela]

...did you not even read anything in the post other than the vote

Are you also ignoring the part where YOU WERE THE ONLY OTHER CHOICE THAN ZAKERI? You >> Zakeri and at two hours left lol no I'm not trying to start a new wagon especially when I'm leaving. You weren't exactly a great read anyway, and voting along with scum suspects isn't as horrible as some people think it is, because A.Sometimes your suspicion is wrong and B.Bussing happens. It's something to take note of, yeah, but when it comes down to it you just lynch the scum and use the info to help lynch better next time.

and hey ;_;

[Serela]

wait skypal is voting dan too

Are you not even going to wait for massclaim to finish -just in case- Raikaria might get counterclaimed?

...then again I guess apart from a doublecheck from Schezo, Dan is the only other claim left

[ActionDan]

I'm vt.

If Skypal claimed cop and raikaria is doctor... why the fuck aren't they voting each other?

[ActionDan]

That's mmvccd?  That's 6 making a serial killer

[ActionDan]

And WTF darkeninja is dead.

[Raikaria]

That's mmvccd?  That's 6 making a serial killer

Why am I still awake?

It's MMVCCCD. Schezo is a 1-shot Cop. That's 7. Goon+Blocker+Godfather. No SK.

[Serela]

Dan: Schezo one-shot cop plus Skypal cop means 3 Cs. MMCCCDV

also fuck then raikakia is town. ;_;

Schezo have you been holding out on us

cut by raikaria beating me to it

[Raikaria]

Wait a second, we've had 4 VT's flip.

And two more VT claims. [Serela and Dan]

It can't be x6 T, because otherwise it couldn't be LYLO.

Which means one of Serela and Dan are lying.

But it also cannot be 5 T's, because that has an SK in it.

Oh wait I'm confused.

MMVCCCD is Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather.

And we know there's no SK, and we know scum had a Roleblocker.

So that's:
2 Masons
1 Vig
1 1 Shot-Cop
1 Doctor
1 Full Cop
4 VT's
3 scum

THERE CANNOT BE ANY VT'S LEFT.

[Serela]

uh it's kind of obvious that some of the vts are lying scum raikaria `-` Sorry to burst your bubble

[Serela]

oh wait your point is -all- the vts remaining are scum

I'm tired but let me try to parse this farther

[Raikaria]

Serela and Dan are clearly lying about their roles this means. They cannot possibly be Vanilla Townies. Unless someone is lying about their role.

This cannot be me, since that would replace a D with a T, and would result in an SK.
This cannot be O4rfish, obviously.
It cannot be Schezo
PX is dead
Sky_Paladin could be lying, and this would make it MMCTTVD, which would be Goon Blocker Godfather as well.

Except this wouldn't add up, since it would mean BOTH Serela and Dan are telling the truth.

[ActionDan]

my first thought is that skypal is lying his ass off.

I almost want to use appeal to probability here because 7/7 letters is 7C7*(1/2)^7  which is 1/128

[Raikaria]

Except this wouldn't add up, since it would mean BOTH Serela and Dan are telling the truth.

* Which would make Sky_Paladin the sole scum remaining, which would be impossible since it would not be LYLO. If me Schezo were lying, that would introduce a SK into the mix.

Serela/Dan scumteam is confirmed.

my first thought is that skypal is lying his ass off.

If Sky was lying there would beno senario where this could be LYLO, due to a lack of a serial killer.

[Serela]

Skypal would have to be lying -with- Raikaria, and with Schezo being a fullcop. Due to no SK.

Schezo has to be a fullcop though because otherwise me+dan are the scumteam and um no.

Schezo plz come enlighten us

[Serela]

ololololol and to think an open setup was supposed to cut down on rolegaming

[Raikaria]

Note it is 1:30am here so forgive me if I've made an error in attempting to figure out this C9++ stuff.

Schezo has to be a fullcop though because otherwise me+dan are the scumteam and um no.

Except if he was why wasn't he clearing people and giving his reports after claiming? At the very least he could have said 'Yeah the guy I checked died'. Not to mention this information would have helped narrow down the setup.

[ActionDan]

Serela and Dan are clearly lying about their roles this means. They cannot possibly be Vanilla Townies. Unless someone is lying about their role.

This cannot be me, since that would replace a D with a T, and would result in an SK.
This cannot be O4rfish, obviously.
It cannot be Schezo
PX is dead
Sky_Paladin could be lying, and this would make it MMCTTVD, which would be Goon Blocker Godfather as well.

Except this wouldn't add up, since it would mean BOTH Serela and Dan are telling the truth.

Sloooooow down.   5 letters = 5 VTs.  4 flipped so far = 1 VT allowed.  change one VT claim to a mafia and presto.  That however from my perspective would mean serela would be scum in the absence of one of you and Schezo lying.  which we should consider. 

 

[Raikaria]

Oh yeah I was short 1 VT.


1 AM MATHS IS FUN GUYS.

[Sky_Paladin]

Day 3 starts at March 1, 09:43. 

Defends Dan.
Scumslip.  "You people", indicating she is not part of the group.  Defends Dan. 
Defends Dan.
Defends Dan.  Also defends Zakeri by suppressing DNA. 
Implicates DNA.  It's scummy because it's not actually a case, and merely calls into question DNA's vote. 
March 2, 12:41.  I call out Serela and ActionDan for being the only ones not voting. 
Defends Zak.  Defends Dan.  Defends self.  Also defends Raikaria for being allowed to not claim. 
First indication that Raikaria is her top suspect.  No case made. 
Says Raikaria is probably a doc/RB for 'a variety of reasons'. 
I challenge Serela on her ' variety of reasons'. 
Serela abandons her 'variety of reasons' as "it's nothing really interesting" and never readdresses.  It's scummy because she dodged a direct challenge. 
Votes Raikaria at March 2, 16:18.  It's three hours since I first scumread her because of failing to vote.  No accompanying case. 
Oarfish challenges Serela's vote. 
Serela ignores the challenge and responds to a random point from DNA instead. 
Oarfish re-issues the challenge. 
Serela stalls by saying 'please go re-read this post' but does not actually state her case.  Stalling is scummy. 
Defends Dan and his playstyle. 
Oarfish challenges Serela on her defense of Dan. 
Serela admits that Dan is useless. 
Scummy post.  Suddenly decides to answer Sky's question instead of logically voting Dan.  This is a distraction technique.  It appears Serela responded to Oarfish but really she just handwaved it and moved on.  Admits "I guess I don't actually have strong reasoning for that being the case like I thought I did." but still won't vote Dan. 
Oarfish politely owns Serela.  This is where we should have lynched Serela on Day 3. 
Serela actually admits it looks bad but still refuses to vote Dan. 
I vote for Serela.
Serela defends Raikaria. 
Serela attacks Sky.  This is her first offensive action of day 3, and it only came because she attracted a vote. 
Serela trying to lynch Raikaria after they've unofficially claimed town PR. 
Serela rant.  I have just switched my vote to Zak so this is weird.  Also,
"I'm surrounded by either useless or illogical people"
You do not get to say this.
Taunts Sky for all her empty content votes and in the process admits that they are all empty content posts. 
Votes for Sky because there is no Raikaria wagon.  Does not make a case.  Has defended Dan all game despite admitting he looks scummy, and finally places her vote alongside him. 

***

Cut by Raikaria making it simple.  There's no VT's left in the game, Serela claimed VT, there's your scum. 

[Raikaria]

So that gives us:

2 Masons
1 Vig
1 1 Shot-Cop
1 Doctor
1 Full Cop
5 VT's
3 scum

I'm no good at this C9++ stuff.

Of course this is all assuming Schezo was not facadeing as a full cop or something to make mafia not target him after his first report.