Author Topic: Urist Fortress Mafia - Night 3  (Read 47648 times)

DNAbc

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #540 on: January 15, 2014, 05:53:56 AM »
Second scenario of what MIGHT HAVE HAPPENED comes 2 hrs later.
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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #541 on: January 15, 2014, 06:24:24 AM »
But you could have been driven and not roleblocked at all.
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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #542 on: January 15, 2014, 06:46:36 AM »
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Thinking on it I don't need clarity right away. I'm a bodyguard. I went to darkninja's house last night so we could put docs in your docs. Funnily enough either Conq or Dan was who I was thinking of protecting anyways so yay?


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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #543 on: January 15, 2014, 06:58:55 AM »
That can't be right, because Conq started this whole thing saying his BPV activated. If you and DNA were redirected, or if DNA and Conq were bussed, DNA's medicine would have been applied to himself and your bodyguard would have been applied to Conq. Assuming Conq is not lying about his BPV activating, and assuming I am not lying about seeing you at his house, you cannot be a Bodyguard.
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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #544 on: January 15, 2014, 07:04:41 AM »
Let's examine the case in which Shadoweh was roleblocked AND bussed, and in a setting in which roleblock doesn't leave you at home. We know the SK fired a shot, which means the Goblin team both roleblocked and bussed Shadoweh, the at-most third-from-the-towniest target from Goblins, while killing Skypaladin, while someone else also killed ActionDan. Implausible at best.
Sorry, but ##Vote Shadoweh
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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #545 on: January 15, 2014, 07:05:48 AM »
Yes, that's why I'm asking for clarification, because I noticed I was in a state of not dying this morning.


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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #546 on: January 15, 2014, 07:11:21 AM »
If you can think of a good enough reason for Conq to make up a lie about having a BPV activating in a situation where nobody shot at him, I will vote him instead of you.
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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #547 on: January 15, 2014, 07:12:08 AM »
As weird as these role shenanigans are I'm still not entirely inclined to see Shadoweh as scum. Sk maybe, but uh. The rest of the massclaim might provide some insight. I dunno.

And/or also seeing more reasons to keep voting DNA if I'm reading things right.
I kinda want to know why you're so convinced about darkninja scum though?


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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #548 on: January 15, 2014, 07:19:14 AM »
dark, what convinced you that I wasn't the SK since that's pretty much a completely 180 from before you left?

We know about two successful kills, one supposed kill attempt and a mod confirmed vig shoot that failed. No one claimed to be responsible for one of them, so I think we can rule out another town killing role. Which leaves the conditional extra scum kill and that leads to the question, ? I may not know many conditional scum roles but the last one I saw had, among others, the condition to hammer someone, does it ring a bell?
Are you suggesting that that's the case here? Also, with so many kills, what are the odds of town not having a protective role like doctor (although massclaim isn't finished yet)?


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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #549 on: January 15, 2014, 07:20:22 AM »
Uhm, huh. I still think he's being wonky but if all the actions are being crazy then I guess it's more possible he's not.
I haven't honestly thought about it since the claim. If scum were busy messing around with me/oarfish though it makes it less likely they had actions to mess with Dark.


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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #550 on: January 15, 2014, 07:22:42 AM »
Shadoweh wants or wanted to lynch DNA because he was pressing for a SK lynch, which hints at him being Goblin, but also maybe because she's the real SK.
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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #551 on: January 15, 2014, 07:25:39 AM »
I'm down with a CF7 lynch since his rational for jumping on NNR is for being mostly absent...when that wasn't why NNR was scummy. Plus SB's case is pretty solid.


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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #552 on: January 15, 2014, 07:27:36 AM »
re: roleshenans Okay yeah at this point we're pretty much going to have to finish massclaim to see if that will make everything make more sense. I'm fine with following Serela's order from earlier.

So CF7> Dorian > Zak > Cheez > SB > Serela


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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #553 on: January 15, 2014, 07:30:20 AM »
double ebwop: where the order is pretty flexible because timezones means if we wait for a rigid order we probably wont finish it in time


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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #554 on: January 15, 2014, 08:01:55 AM »
So, mass claims on day 2. Okay.
And i'm a townie. With an extra one snot on demand vote. So, you don't want to lynch me.
And i'm not sure how many goblins we have and what else, but i'm not really sure whom i want to lynch at this moment.
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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #555 on: January 15, 2014, 08:55:09 AM »
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Are you suggesting that that's the case here? Also, with so many kills, what are the odds of town not having a protective role like doctor (although massclaim isn't finished yet)?
Maybe, it was mostly a side note to the case that began to unfold in my head and about the doc dilemma, a claim that fits into a setup doesn't make it true beyond doubt, there are more ways to get protection. Yesterday we had a BP claim and we got a bodyguard today, pretty noisy to make it sound, isn't it?

On the new revelation, I can't say that a Ninja <> Conq bus makes much sense from my current perspective, it even holds a implication that I really don't like but that's matter when things got more clear.

Now to my part of the messclaim before I go back to my promised case, I'm VT, plain and boring but true nonetheless. 
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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #556 on: January 15, 2014, 09:30:34 AM »
wrt night actions tonight, dna should doc o4rfish so she can test if conq is really a passive role.

trying to get something up in the next 30 mins but literal phoneposting is hard

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #557 on: January 15, 2014, 09:37:19 AM »
(i feel like this setup would make more sense if conq is scum, 4+nightkills is sort of ridiculous)

DNAbc

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #558 on: January 15, 2014, 02:41:36 PM »
Sweet computer, jesus.

Second scenario why distrusting me is pointless for anyone town.

Myself included, have gotten too caught up in that silly debate to heed the direction of where this is going.

Basically, if I am not lying as a doctor, I am eventually going to have to screw up my self protect and die in nightkills. Or just to have scum deem me a big enough threat to powerblock and kill me anyway if I value their attention. Leave that silly debate later when its actually going to be somewhat relevant. Right now however, you don't want to waste more time listening to those crap arguments against a non-cced doctor in a minimum 3nk setup who could've chosen a much easier night action claim.

In other words, this is something which can be left later, don't waste my precious time please, I might only live one more day, if you trust me that I am not lying. I for one knows that I am saying the truth, so all those scumbags advocating for my lynch have to be scum because its pointless, or has semen filling their skull.

Just stfu about me already and leave it later if I actually manage to survive shit, which I don't want to because its tiring to dismantle shitty arguments as they involves pointing out the most basic logical errors and doing explaination.
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I don't buy bodyguard X BPV comboooooo either, because that would've made absolutely no sense.

Right now we have a list of claims here.

Dorian: VT
Shadoweh: Bodyguard
Conq: BPV town
Me: Doctor (non-consecut town doc)
Serela: I can't put this into words but I have this serely gut call about him being pr
Zakeri: Lurked hard with little content, can be SK candidate
Oarfish: Tracker
SB: What are you anyway? SK?
CF7: At this point he's confirmed scum anyway, from both votals, avoidance of ED1 entirely even when online by the systematic tracking of [classified]. The only problem remains is probably, when do we want him dead?

Basically I am pretty sure after both conq's and oarfish's claim that this setup is persumably role madness. Because while one cop is cool, what happened in this game's D1 is probably accounted for. What if the cop and doc got nk'd? Town would be absolutely screwed. Oarfish suggesting an alternative form of investigation actually sounds pretty okay for a claim. But since oarfish pointed fingers to shadoweh and her claim being absolutely false. (details of which I haven't been able to read and analyze yet) I have to give the credit to oarfish for actually claiming beforehand and confronting an experienced player. So if this is a 1v1 and I see nothing more from Shadoweh, I will distrust her claim, because she's likely scum.

Guys guys and please SK won't draw attention to himself.  At least I would try to lurk my way through. But sure, I was tired yesterday, and thus was unable to properly process that if scum wagons me  and make a shitty claim about  ''shit being 1v1'' its not necessarily true. I fell prey to that entirely because I was tunnel visioned and narrow minded at that point because as aforementioned, I am tired. I apologize for being a dick. But midnight is like when I can actually analyze maf, and I am emotional at those times due to lack of sleep.  There's not even one full hour in a day when I can dedicate to playing games at my *top condition*. So every minute counts and I try to make best use of those time to be of help.

Yeah, so I was stupid and ignorant and bought their shit, then I realized it was unnecessary and stupid, approximately when conq pointed out **POSSIBILITIES**. Though it wasn't his argument I accepted, but that his argument reminded me if I can readily assume at least one roleblocker we should keep our minds open. So this is exactly the stance I am taking between this oarfishx shadoweh standoff this time, waiting for them two to post.

Besides, we actually have an edge, if shit goes awry and we can't decide on stuff just policy dorian and have the SK shoot CF7, that leaves a full day for us to decide who the SK/last scum is.
And its not a compromise, its a must, CF7 and Dorian must go down, former from actually being scum, latter for spouting a VT CLAIM and loads and loads of bullshit on the claimed doc, me, while subbing isn't an excuse either because nnr was the asshole who voteparked on me entirely through day one.

I am cutting this day one crap now because I tend to get worked up when I mention it.

Anyway, that's the plan, I don't really believe my doc will be relevant, but I am definitely helping myself above everyone else. Or at least this is what I will throw out on the thread to gambit. Hell yes I love gambitting powers so I can force scum into blocking me if they don't want to risk themselves.

Finally, I would like to address the conq question because I forgot halfway if I had addressed it, I changed my stance after I saw your argument and a good night's sleep, that's it.

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DNAbc

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #559 on: January 15, 2014, 02:48:46 PM »
Oh yeah Cheez slipped my mind in that claim list, I still have to say that cheez is looking scummy to me. Personally, I am willing to swap my scumteam of shadoweh and put cheez in it because it would make much more sense if I just look at cheez behavior-wise (hurr durr pushing on town doc), but then shaodweh refused to respond to oarfish's track and claim immediately, but instead slinked away later, and without sharing with us his thought processes of how he arrived at the conclusion claiming it better, cowed and threw out that he's a bodyguard, which is effectively a 1-shot movable BP on a town PR.

I guess it takes roleshens to justify how can shadoweh be town PR. But cheez being scum is an unikely notion I will entertain if shadoweh actually manage to disprove oar.

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DNAbc

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #560 on: January 15, 2014, 03:06:33 PM »
oh, and i guess i have to thank dorian for subbing in.

but really, what you have said are anti town and pointless. i dont think scum is up to the proper version of gamestate even now. the biggest argument coming from the scums are that dna may not be doc lynch him. but actually from what i have read from things around massclaim we have already accepted that we can just claim and deal with ensuing roleshens later, aside for cheese with his constant waffling on me.

dorians posts carry the vibe of subbed scum who wasnt really able to process and digest the gamestate properly or was just deliberately derailing us.

and he claimed vt

vt for gods sake
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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #561 on: January 15, 2014, 03:20:02 PM »
Basically, if I am not lying as a doctor, I am eventually going to have to screw up my self protect and die in nightkills. Or just to have scum deem me a big enough threat to powerblock and kill me anyway if I value their attention. Leave that silly debate later when its actually going to be somewhat relevant. Right now however, you don't want to waste more time listening to those crap arguments against a non-cced doctor in a minimum 3nk setup who could've chosen a much easier night action claim.

In other words, this is something which can be left later, don't waste my precious time please, I might only live one more day, if you trust me that I am not lying. I for one knows that I am saying the truth, so all those scumbags advocating for my lynch have to be scum because its pointless, or has semen filling their skull.

Just stfu about me already and leave it later if I actually manage to survive shit, which I don't want to because its tiring to dismantle shitty arguments as they involves pointing out the most basic logical errors and doing explaination.

You know, that's not a bad point. Especially now that there are other leads, it is kinda risky distrusting a claimed doc this early on. You'd probably be killed at night before long if you're telling the truth anyway, so... I guess I can wait a little more before seriously considering lynching you again.

That said,
##Unvote
Hard to say who I want to vote for now, but I'd imagine it's between Shadoweh, Oarfish or Conq. I still don't believe Conq was lying about the vest though, SK or not, so I'm ruling him out for now. I don't know much about bodyguards but from what I'm gathering, there's some issue there with Conq being damaged and Shadoweh not dying from it. I think I'll wait til more of the massclaim goes through to see who I trust more or less though.

dorians posts carry the vibe of subbed scum who wasnt really able to process and digest the gamestate properly or was just deliberately derailing us.

and he claimed vt

vt for gods sake
VT is not out of the question.
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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #562 on: January 15, 2014, 03:22:11 PM »
Actually I'm not really too sure why I keep dismissing the idea of Conq as a BP scum role. It seems likely enough, whenever I think about it.
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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #563 on: January 15, 2014, 03:27:13 PM »
CF7: At this point he's confirmed scum anyway, from both votals, avoidance of ED1 entirely even when online by the systematic tracking of [classified]. The only problem remains is probably, when do we want him dead?
I like how you ignore my claim, paint me as a confirmed scum (confirmed by your words alone). Now we go along with your awesome plan, lynch a townie and bring mafia a bit close to the victory.
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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #564 on: January 15, 2014, 03:31:25 PM »
Actually, since I'm second in line after Zak should I just skip ahead to my claim now? It occurs to me I don't actually know what times he's usually around.
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DNAbc

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #565 on: January 15, 2014, 03:33:18 PM »
your awesome plan for the entirety of d1 and d2 was to lurk and push on the claimed doc for being a wagon because the votes are there.

if you arent going to submit anything reasonably efforted nor a pile of shitty nonsense after all this time maybe people would have had a better reason to trust you.

if you want to play the blame game i can oblige. but thats a waste of time because you are scum and we can all agree on that

con1 being scum pr?that actually can be thought about. but right now we are definitely gonna lynch or kill cf7 and dorian first since they are pretty much confirmed, plus i want to hear from swadowmeh to see if the notion is even worth consideration
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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #566 on: January 15, 2014, 03:34:17 PM »
please go ahead, more time for us to digest stuff
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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #567 on: January 15, 2014, 03:39:24 PM »
Alrighty, I'm a Jailer.

This is why I was as suspicious as I was about you claiming full doc.

Also I still need some convincing that CF7 is actually scum but I guess it wouldn't be too far-fetched anymore.
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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #568 on: January 15, 2014, 03:42:34 PM »
Well, i'm fine with lynching Doriano, i'm even fine with getting nightkilled, tbh. But not vise versa.
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DNAbc

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #569 on: January 15, 2014, 03:44:03 PM »
Then claim, fully, CF7.

What did you do Cheez?
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