Author Topic: Urist Fortress Mafia - Night 3 (Read 47643 times)

Conqueror · « **Reply #270 on:** January 13, 2014, 07:54:18 AM »

Oh, there's no doubt he's trying to mindfuck us. The question is whether he's town trolling us or scum trolling us.

Conqueror · « **Reply #271 on:** January 13, 2014, 07:56:28 AM »

If Dormio keeps the vote the entire game that's enough for me to say he's town or third party, I think. Full scum doublevoter is lolop. But if it's just a D1 doublevoter that's plausible as a scum role. Dormio won't be able to lie about this either (because it'll become obvious when he's asked to prove his extra vote) so I want details from him on this.

SB · « **Reply #272 on:** January 13, 2014, 08:02:50 AM »

So my dad's cool with it.

Time to actually read the thread that doubled in size since I went to sleep screw you all.

Sky_Paladin · « **Reply #273 on:** January 13, 2014, 08:06:22 AM »

OKaaaay. So Dormio vs Conqueror (to me) basically boils down to this:

Dormio voted for Serela early day 1 and didn't change his vote until quite recently. Conqueror asked for an explanation for it and the explanation never eventuated; the closest was 'what if Serela is scum?'.
I think that's more or less the core argument. There was a lot of back and forth over other stuff that I think is not relevant (but if you disagree please point out where).

I think it's not damning for either Conqueror or Dormio but it definitely reflects poorly on Dormio that he couldn't explain his vote. It's the main reason that I picked up on voting for Serela myself, anyway (not properly explaining his vote).

The difference is that I've personally been tangling with Serela so I feel more invested in this outcome. Dormio vs Conqueror, well, I just can't see how Conqueror would fight so hard as scum, after spending most of the game poking random people, and picking on Dormio of all people. There's easier prey to be had. SO I think this is probably Conq = town. Which sucks because I was only an hour ago wanting him dead.

People who bought into that argument fairly early, though, are DarkninjaABC and ActionDan.

Somewhere in the middle Shadoweh voted for me for no reasons so I wanna query that.

So I'm hnnng. I think Dormio handled it really poorly. I think the vote on DarkNinjaABC was opportunity for him to escape.

Let me wash the dishes some more and think about it. I do think Dormio is more likely scum than Conq, now.

Dormio Ergo Sum · « **Reply #274 on:** January 13, 2014, 08:11:24 AM »

Quote from: Conqueror on January 13, 2014, 07:44:19 AM

Hey Dormio, what do you think of Sky_Paladin?

Quick post to say what I see is an attempt to create a dichotomy between you and I which is pretty bad actually.

Conqueror · « **Reply #275 on:** January 13, 2014, 08:12:35 AM »

Could you claim more details of your vote thingy real quick?

Dormio Ergo Sum · « **Reply #276 on:** January 13, 2014, 08:14:05 AM »

It's my extra vote. It's also stuck on me for a while.

Serela · « **Reply #277 on:** January 13, 2014, 08:14:36 AM »

conq being scum was ever a realistic option...?

Anyway the lynch is pretty much between Dormio and DNA at this point as far as I can tell. (people not voting major wagons switched to Darkie since the last votecount) As TEMPTING as it is to lynch Darkie, I pick Dormio in this argument.

Cut by IT'D BE COOL TO LYNCH SKYPAL TOO

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People who bought into that argument fairly early, though, are DarkninjaABC and ActionDan.

This sentence is the first actual seems-more-likely-town-then-scum effort from SkyPal, but, it's outweighed by everything else.

Dormio Ergo Sum · « **Reply #278 on:** January 13, 2014, 08:15:48 AM »

I should mention that I keep my extra vote in LYLO.

Conqueror · « **Reply #279 on:** January 13, 2014, 08:18:35 AM »

Needless to say if Dormio doesn't have the vote in LYLO insta lynch him. That said, scum doublevoter is hella OP, so...

##Unvote
##Vote: Sky_Paladin

Conqueror · « **Reply #280 on:** January 13, 2014, 08:18:53 AM »

Quote from: Dormio Ergo Sum on January 13, 2014, 08:14:05 AM

It's my extra vote. It's also stuck on me for a while.

when do you gain access to it?

CF7 · « **Reply #281 on:** January 13, 2014, 08:21:10 AM »

Okay. I'm a little confused. Can i see votecount atm. And
##unvote
for now. Need time to rethink all this.

Sky_Paladin · « **Reply #282 on:** January 13, 2014, 08:24:18 AM »

I don't get a scum vibe from Dormio. I read it all over him in fruit mafia, but chickened out in the last second.

That said, I can't see a lynch of my main target - Serela - happening.

Conq, why are you voting me over DNA?

Cheez8 · « **Reply #283 on:** January 13, 2014, 08:26:08 AM »

...So what I'm gathering is that, as long as Dormio isn't bluffing about the Fortress Populous, he's probably not scum, since a second vote is pretty strong for a scum role (even if it can't be changed during the day, which is what I'm guessing.)
...Shoot.

Um, well... I guess that'd leave me to voting Paladin, since the prospect of lynching Darkie really doesn't sit too well with me now that I have, you know, actual reasons to distrust people.

Votecount? Lemme see...

Dormio (4): Fortress Populous; Cheez8; ActionDan; CF7
Sky_Paladin (4): Serela; Shadoweh; DNA; Conq
Darkninjaabc (4): NNR; O4rfish; Sky_Paladin; Dormio
NNR (2): SB, Zakeri

Woo, decisive. I think I'll vote in a couple moments because I kind of want to post this votecount with it at 4-4-4.

Cheez8 · « **Reply #284 on:** January 13, 2014, 08:27:47 AM »

I'm so smart.

Actually since I have to fix this anyway lemme just ##Unvote and ##Vote: Paladin now

Dormio (2): Fortress Populous; ActionDan
Sky_Paladin (5): Serela; Shadoweh; DNA; Conq; Cheez8
Darkninjaabc (4): NNR; O4rfish; Sky_Paladin; Dormio
NNR (2): SB, Zakeri

Not Voting: CF7

Conqueror · « **Reply #285 on:** January 13, 2014, 08:27:53 AM »

A lot of your recent emotional outbursts feel overblown, like you're putting on an act. By the way, what was the thing you said Darkninja did three times that Dan did, because I didn't understand what that was while reading.

Also, for once I can actually parse what Darkninja is saying and don't think he's spewing complete nonsense.

I will think about it some more before I go to sleep.

Serela · « **Reply #286 on:** January 13, 2014, 08:29:31 AM »

CF7:Friendly reminder that deadline is in 3 hours.

Well, everyone could use that reminder, really.

If I wasn't too tired to reliably get it right I'd do the votecount too, but I -think- SkyPal is at 3 votes? It takes 8 to lynch. DNA and Dormio are at 4 each as well I think. Cut by actual votecounts, except... they're significant different from eachother. oh wait the second is the right one, okay. Oh we're likely lynching SkyPal cool! I REALLY have to sleep, though, so I'll have to see whether or not DNA counterwagon wins out when I wake up in the morning.

But yeah I agree that Darkie actually somewhat makes sense this game, at least after rvs ended.

Serela · « **Reply #287 on:** January 13, 2014, 08:29:52 AM »

Quote from: Serela on January 13, 2014, 08:29:31 AM

But yeah I agree that Darkie actually somewhat makes sense this game, at least after rvs ended.

this doesn't actually make him not-scum but it helps

Conqueror · « **Reply #288 on:** January 13, 2014, 08:30:05 AM »

Quote from: Sky_Paladin on January 13, 2014, 08:24:18 AM

I don't get a scum vibe from Dormio. I read it all over him in fruit mafia, but chickened out in the last second.

Uhh I'm also a little confused about this given a few posts above you said this.

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I think Dormio handled it really poorly. I think the vote on DarkNinjaABC was opportunity for him to escape.

SB · « **Reply #289 on:** January 13, 2014, 08:31:01 AM »

scum doublevoter could exist. persuader is a predominantly scum role that exists and is basically better than doublevoter in almost every way. plus We Don't Know The Setup so the doublevote could exist to make up for low scum numbers or something else that we don't know.

i'm still reading through but yeah

Sky_Paladin · « **Reply #290 on:** January 13, 2014, 08:34:11 AM »

The thing was that DNA said 'if x is town then y is scum' which is the same sort of thing as Dan's 'one of Conq and Shadoweh is town'.

Well that's every game in MoTK that's had me either lynched at day 1 or L-1.

If I claim I'm dead or useless for the rest of the game.

My scumpicks are Serela, SB, and ActionDan. Look carefully at Shadoweh. Towns gonna lose.

DNAbc · « **Reply #291 on:** January 13, 2014, 08:34:53 AM »

what the fuck serela. dormio and cf seven and sp are just pushing for me necause they have no hope of getting out of this mess

Sky_Paladin · « **Reply #292 on:** January 13, 2014, 08:35:11 AM »

I'm not gonna self hammer but SB is here so seeya guys <3

Conqueror · « **Reply #293 on:** January 13, 2014, 08:36:39 AM »

Claim your role.

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My scumpicks are Serela, SB, and ActionDan

What happened to Darkninja?

Sky, are you trolling me?

Cheez8 · « **Reply #294 on:** January 13, 2014, 08:37:49 AM »

Part of me still wants to believe that Dormio is scum anyway and he's just bluffing and the Fortress Populous is actually a vote that none of the players actually have direct control over, mafia or otherwise, but that's extremely far-fetched and probably falls into the category of RNG-related stuff that won't be in the game.

I'm still probably going to believe it in the depths of my heart though because this is the sort of crackpot theory that I just can't bring myself to abandon.

Quote from: Serela on January 13, 2014, 08:29:31 AM

Cut by actual votecounts, except... they're significant different from eachother. oh wait the second is the right one, okay.

I hope so, anyway. I don't trust myself too much either after forgetting to include the vote change from the person who requested the votecounts in the first place. >_>

Cut by Paladin. I can never seem to remember why any role would become useless simply if scum knew what it was. Does that actually happen sometimes?

Conqueror · « **Reply #295 on:** January 13, 2014, 08:40:01 AM »

For the large part, no. In fact, Sky, you might as well fullclaim if you're just going to walk away like that.

Conqueror · « **Reply #296 on:** January 13, 2014, 08:40:53 AM »

Because if it's confirmable, useless >>> dead. Being nightkilled >>>> lynched. Why would you not claim.

Sky_Paladin · « **Reply #297 on:** January 13, 2014, 08:41:14 AM »

I'm not trolling.

You guys always kill me for no reason at all.

I'm dead if I claim and I'm dead if I don't claim. Therefore, I'll save this small satisfaction for myself.

I hope town can win but with the way you guys are ignoring all the afk and liars, I can't see how it will happen.

Sky_Paladin · « **Reply #298 on:** January 13, 2014, 08:41:51 AM »

Well Conq,

That's a good point.

Ok.

I'm the vigilante :/

Sky_Paladin · « **Reply #299 on:** January 13, 2014, 08:42:27 AM »

And now, if scum aren't already voting for me, I shall die.

Well it's been fun~ Well that's a lie. This last 24 hours was horrible. You guys are mean jerks :/