Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Game Over! (Black Rose Thread)

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

eventually.

[Polaris]

If SB flips town for some godforsaken reason then I'd probably pick Shadoweh over huh what, but honestly I really can't see either of them being scum right now so this is a train of thought that I really can't entertain for long.

[SB]

how am i coasting? if you flip town then i get held accountable for it the next day.

useless votes aren't scummy, but the lack of effort put into coordinating a lynch shows a lack of town effort. i'll grant you the activity issue but i tend to associate with "I know this guy is still playing because he contacted me" with "I know this guy is still playing because he posted in the scum quicktopic"

you're coasting because you're not actively trying to build a case on me on everything, and townies have done the second part before too, the method of contact with the host is a null tell

The only people who are actually in a good position to win here are you and Polly. Do you think Polly is the scum?
I think that as town he would've tried to actually do more D3 - D4, imo SB tends to be more memorable as town.

have I ever been memorable in a motk game? This is just due to a site thing over anything else, in semi-precious i was the second highest poster as scum.

[SB]

also its hard to be memorable when everything happens at 2am

[Shadoweh]

In Mirai Nikki Mafia, SB was updating me over IRC and he had his own townie QT so I didn't consider that a point against him.
Paranoia central I mean huh what scanned Dan and Dan announced, so it shouldn't be either of them anyways. If Polaris's role wasn't utterly failing I wouldn't be so paranoid about huh what. >_> This is both your faults. I feel like ignoring the elephant for the should-be-VT isn't right. Actually I think I used up all my mafia power in trying to reread huh what and Serela and my brain shorted out.

[ActionDan]

HW is town if you believe the first 2 nights BBM didn't scan both me + bofh... which is highly unlikely... and no matter what the other scum is during the first 2 nights scum had a total of 6 actions available.  and we know 4/6 (2 x kill, 1 charge, 1 poison).

[SB]

They probably scanned Serela because why else would they kill him, especially as BBM's main scumread iirc. I could try and reread Poly on my iPod although puppy wants attention atm so it may have to wait.

[ActionDan]

sorry highly likely scum didn't scan both me + botfh

[Shadoweh]

They probably scanned Serela because why else would they kill him, especially as BBM's main scumread iirc. I could try and reread Poly on my iPod although puppy wants attention atm so it may have to wait.

They killed Zakeri and Raikaria, who were also their major scumreads though. Weird kill apparently was their motus operandi.

[SB]

They killed Zakeri and Raikaria, who were also their major scumreads though. Weird kill apparently was their motus operandi.

"KILL THE SCUMMY PLAYERS

ONE OF THEM PROBABLY HAS A POWER ROLE"

Doing the read now that I actually have comp access.

[Shadoweh]

Well, 2/3 ain't bad for PR's.
Also I have been RECHARGED BY THE MAGIC OF TECHNOLOGY.

Okay, so this sequence of events doesn't make sense. Consider this. Prims claims namecop who becomes immune or whatever. Then BT and SB, after having time to think and absorb this information, claim VT, turning Prims into a full cop. Then Rou lets us know he's about to cop Prims so he doesn't get shot when it looks like BBM is going to live.

Now, in what universe does it make sense that Prims is still alive after this if SB and BT were both scum? It turns him from a shitty namecop into a full-blown cop who becomes immune to scum. Prims even said this himself! There's alot of coincidences centered around you, huh what, and they don't add up to townie obvtown.

- Town reads on BBM and BT
- The cop died the night he was targetting you
- You think both scum claimed VT after you claimed namecop lol?
- Polaris can't get a read on your role

As far as I'm concerned right now, Prims and Polaris make the most sense to be scum, and scum were quite happy to try and get Polaris lynched instead of BBM so etc. I'll look at some wagon stuff later, but for now, this level of reasoning is possible for Shadoweh.

Also I just noticed Rou's video while looking for if he claimed his result. :< You are one of the better players! Jerks who just want to yell at each other are jealous of you.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

"The cop died the night he was targetting you" yes it is very suspicious that a cop got nightkilled.

i don't know what to tell you about scum both claiming VT, that is weird but i can't get into the scumteam's head. it is possible sb's role is another lawyer-type thing, explaining why i scanned him vanilla as well. in any case they're not nightkilling me when i'm a viable mislynch; you could also argue that it's weird that scum!me would leave polly alive and attempt to play off the lack of result on me instead of just shooting him and it makes just about as much sense.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

although actually i guess your point is more that i should have died over rou that night, which is fair and i can't really argue anything other than that scum is dumb lmfao

[SB]

i got kind of lazy and didnt reread but I did remember finding his random switch from town->scum!me without having said anything really about it weird.

tbh i find prims' ability to be more of a buff than a nerf, all that he blocks that's worthwhile is doctor protection

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

man i still think it's SB, i re-read his d3 for interactions with other scum and it was mostly whole lot of nothing. doesn't really matter if you have legit reasons for being inactive if you don't do anything important when you actually are around. posts like this contain a lot of Responses to People but are totally worthless because they're not actually engaged in the current conversation; sure SB is waffling on shadoweh but he doesn't bother to find a better suspect, and remains kind of "whatever" on everybody else, which is the kind of posts scum make when they "have" to post. his D2 still was useless because he wasn't engaging with the actual game there either. otherwise he has no notable interactions with flipped scum aside from asking BT a question which i could see either alignment doing. whatever

i'm still gonna chalk the vt result up to "ROLES" because i dont see pollyscum or shadowehscum as very likely, they've actively engaged in the game and pushed scum/been pushed by scum at junctures where it'd be a very unnecessary bus. in fact, what shadoweh said about bt claiming vt is good rationale for a defense against my role actually existing

on the subject of interaction with flipped scum: let's be real, me townreading bbm is null because as scum i didn't have to vote him even without it and the way i went about my townread wouldn't actually persaude other people to not vote him. the same could be said about the BT townread really.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

i also dont know why sb would be voting me if he think bbm scanned serela?? if you argue me as scum then you're arguing that bbm's scans were bofh and dan in whatever order.

[SB]

in that quotepost, I hadn't had a serious post up in 24ish hours so I was obviously going to be behind on the current topic at hand, there's not really a way around that.

being pushed by scum doesn't make someone autotown. doesn't affinity bus their buddies every game or something, and bbm would be willing.

[SB]

when did i argue bbm scanned bofh

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

i'm saying that if you think i'm scum you have to think those were scum's rolecop targets, otherwise i wouldn't have been able to fake role results

context of polly's vote on BBM doesn't really have me thinking he's scum, though. also BT was on the last minute polly turbowagon when if they were scum/scum he'd be better off killing bbm and not locking bbm into the claim

[SB]

oh

maybe scum could have a second rolecop but idek anymore. polly looks worse after the bt interactions imo because he shied away from BT and tried to get me lynched over a nulltell instead and wait a sec i think i may have spotted something wrong with polly's claim

[SB]

actually maybe not idk

time to skim polly i guess

[SB]

actually bt argued against the poly flashwagon for a bit. huh.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

oh

maybe scum could have a second Roleclop but idek anymore.

not plausibly, because:

N1:
- Scum kills Zak
- Scum charges BT
- Unknown action

N2:
- Scum kills Raikaria
- BT poisons Serela
- Unknown action

there's only room for 2 uses of rolecop

[SB]

prims: what is the benefit to scum!SB of shutting down a town!poly quicklynch and saving scum!BBM, especially considering that he was the hooker and could have prevented dan from clearing himself/town!you from acting?

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

would anybody have actually been around to hammer polly? your vote was on shadoweh anyway, so the wagons could have swung back

[SB]

I think if we'd left it a little longer people could've done it but the fact I refused to vote Poly because I wanted BBM lynched stamped out any remote chance of that happening.

[Polaris]

role shenanigans is dumbity dumb dumb fart noises

[Polaris]

also when's the deadline, i lost track of time

[Polaris]

Oh we still have 24 hours. For some reason I thought more time passed than that.

[Polaris]

I guess I'll post something content-wise if only because I actually noticed something as I reread.

I don't know if town would make the argument "scum can't possibly have a scum goon" because town has no way of knowing for sure. It's a lot easier to imagine scum making the argument, though.

who knows maybe this is just more confirmation bias and laziness