Author Topic: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Night 3 (Student Council Thread)  (Read 51094 times)

Conqueror

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #780 on: December 13, 2013, 04:38:08 PM »
BT are you saying that Shadoweh and Polly are both still scum in your opinion?


On tue un homme, on est un assassin. On tue des millions d'hommes, on est un conqu?rant. On les tue tous, on est un dieu.
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ActionDan

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #781 on: December 13, 2013, 04:38:27 PM »
and yes I am echoing Conq's thoughts.

BT are you suggesting that it is scummy of me to push BBM, if regardless of BBM's alignment, while "ignoring" shadoweh?

Anyway all I really cared about in your post was your claim.

SB is up next!

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BigBangMeteor

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #782 on: December 13, 2013, 04:41:35 PM »
I'm going to vote for who I find scummiest. I should be here for phase end and then I can go for SB if you guys really want. But until that point I'll vote for my strongest scumread.

SB

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #783 on: December 13, 2013, 04:43:31 PM »
Hi I'm vanilla. Can I have some time to catch up and post before hammer? I've been out all day.

BT

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #784 on: December 13, 2013, 04:45:02 PM »
BT are you saying that Shadoweh and Polly are both still scum in your opinion?
Currently yes though I might be forced to consider connections.

BT are you suggesting that it is scummy of me to push BBM, if regardless of BBM's alignment, while "ignoring" shadoweh?
No I wasn't suggesting it was scummy, I was just bringing up some scenarios. The rereads aren't there yet. Blame Conq.

Conqueror

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #785 on: December 13, 2013, 04:46:30 PM »
But until that point I'll vote for my strongest scumread.
A scumread which is based solely off his roleclaim, as far as I can see? Seems a bit contrived when you haven't shown any suspicion of him before.


On tue un homme, on est un assassin. On tue des millions d'hommes, on est un conqu?rant. On les tue tous, on est un dieu.
Every saint has a past and every sinner a future.

Conqueror

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #786 on: December 13, 2013, 04:48:31 PM »
EBWOP: The contrived bit I'm talking about is the supposed strength of the scumread.


On tue un homme, on est un assassin. On tue des millions d'hommes, on est un conqu?rant. On les tue tous, on est un dieu.
Every saint has a past and every sinner a future.

SB

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #787 on: December 13, 2013, 04:49:52 PM »
basically

also as for "too many kills" I've been in a 14p game with a SK, a town non-consecutive night vig, and a mafia dayvig so yeah. Admittedly that was role madness and whatnot, but still, I don't think that one mafia kill and one town kill is too much.

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BigBangMeteor

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #788 on: December 13, 2013, 04:50:35 PM »
either SB or Prims can tell you that I like rolespeccing


BigBangMeteor

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #789 on: December 13, 2013, 04:51:51 PM »
also rolespec comprises the entirety of Prims's vote, because he was townreading me before I made the claim, so if you're going to say ROLESPEC IS BAD YOU CAN'T HAVE STRONG SCUMREADS OFF IT, apply that reasoning evenly, thanks.

SB

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #790 on: December 13, 2013, 05:00:48 PM »
Should I attempt to verify Polly/Dan's role names tonight or target SB/BT/Shadoweh and hope I don't hit a scum goon?

Wait a sec, how did you know my role? I thought your investigation failed.

BigBangMeteor

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #791 on: December 13, 2013, 05:01:31 PM »
lol scumslip lynch plz

BigBangMeteor

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #792 on: December 13, 2013, 05:02:05 PM »
lynch prims, that is

Conqueror

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #793 on: December 13, 2013, 05:05:18 PM »
also rolespec comprises the entirety of Prims's vote, because he was townreading me before I made the claim, so if you're going to say ROLESPEC IS BAD YOU CAN'T HAVE STRONG SCUMREADS OFF IT, apply that reasoning evenly, thanks.
I already think you and Prims are cross-bussing fwiw and this is just a massive lunge for cred.

That said, even without my biased viewpoint, your claim is so much sketchier than Prims' roleclaim that I don't know how I'd begin to compare the reactions to the two.


On tue un homme, on est un assassin. On tue des millions d'hommes, on est un conqu?rant. On les tue tous, on est un dieu.
Every saint has a past and every sinner a future.

Conqueror

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #794 on: December 13, 2013, 05:07:29 PM »
Wait a sec, how did you know my role? I thought your investigation failed.
really interested in seeing an explanation for this though


On tue un homme, on est un assassin. On tue des millions d'hommes, on est un conqu?rant. On les tue tous, on est un dieu.
Every saint has a past and every sinner a future.

Conqueror

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #795 on: December 13, 2013, 05:08:53 PM »
*from prims that is.

also BBM I know you like rolespec, I was watching CYOR. This was taking that into account.


On tue un homme, on est un assassin. On tue des millions d'hommes, on est un conqu?rant. On les tue tous, on est un dieu.
Every saint has a past and every sinner a future.

SB

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #796 on: December 13, 2013, 05:14:29 PM »
so basically my thoughts come down to bbm/prims/actiondan for the mafia now.

Has anyone besides Prims claimed hooked all game?

BT

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #797 on: December 13, 2013, 05:22:18 PM »
I'm going to purposefully not point something out before Prims responds to that. Explanation later.

No one has claimed hooked but Prims.

BT

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #798 on: December 13, 2013, 05:23:39 PM »
(If there's no roleblocker in this game the balance might actually make sense. <_<)

FinnKaenbyou

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #799 on: December 13, 2013, 05:29:12 PM »
OK now that BBM's come out with it I am even MORE confused. So if missing with your vig earns you a double hated modifier WHY IN THE LOVE OF EVERYTHING would you wait until near LYLO to use it? That sounds needlessly risky and basically means the entire game would hinge on whether you managed to hit.

Serela

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #800 on: December 13, 2013, 05:33:57 PM »
The sudden Prims worry is retarded because the quote from Prims explicitly shows he doesn't know what SB's role is. I'm suddenly so much more okay with lynching BBM because he couldn't even see that. THEN AGAIN APPARENTLY NEITHER CAN ANYONE ELSE BECAUSE SOMEONE ELSE BROUGHT IT UP AND CONQ AGREED AND BT DIDN'T GIVE MY RESPONSE?

I'm sure there's a Bardiche going "serela why do you keep answering for people?!" but Prims would also be retarded if he didn't respond with something along the lines of "What? What are you talking about? How the fuck does that imply I know SB's role? That's a list of who I could rolecop tonight for fucks sake" this isn't a scumslip this is everyone else failing at basic reading comprehension.
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Serela

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #801 on: December 13, 2013, 05:36:57 PM »
OK now that BBM's come out with it I am even MORE confused. So if missing with your vig earns you a double hated modifier WHY IN THE LOVE OF EVERYTHING would you wait until near LYLO to use it? That sounds needlessly risky and basically means the entire game would hinge on whether you managed to hit.
He's already explained this, it's because in his eyes he has 75% chance to hit scum. It makes sense that he WOULDN'T want to use it earlier in the game where it's far more likely he'd miss.

That being said, the balance itself of this role is indeed questionable, as has been pointed out (either you kill scum or cop a town... whilst being double-hated even in lylo which is obscenely horrible) I don't think it's completely unrealistic it's a real role but it IS pretty questionable. That being said I'd still like to lynch someone else JUST IN CASE and then you could TURBOLYNCH BBM TOMORROW, but that's looking less and less likely?
<mauvecow> see this is how evil works in reality, it just wears you down with bureaucracy until you don't care anymore

Serela

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #802 on: December 13, 2013, 05:37:25 PM »
He's already explained this, it's because in his eyes he has 75% chance to hit scum.
to hit scum now*
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ActionDan

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #803 on: December 13, 2013, 05:50:21 PM »
The sudden Prims worry is retarded because the quote from Prims explicitly shows he doesn't know what SB's role is. I'm suddenly so much more okay with lynching BBM because he couldn't even see that. THEN AGAIN APPARENTLY NEITHER CAN ANYONE ELSE BECAUSE SOMEONE ELSE BROUGHT IT UP AND CONQ AGREED AND BT DIDN'T GIVE MY RESPONSE?

I'm sure there's a Bardiche going "serela why do you keep answering for people?!" but Prims would also be retarded if he didn't respond with something along the lines of "What? What are you talking about? How the fuck does that imply I know SB's role? That's a list of who I could Roleclop tonight for fucks sake" this isn't a scumslip this is everyone else failing at basic reading comprehension.

I saw it.

Also SB is probably scum now for putting his scum team of BBM/ActionDan/Prims out there.

Don't lynch me.

ActionDan

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #804 on: December 13, 2013, 05:51:11 PM »
more specifically I saw how there actually wasn't any scumslip, i.e, I agree with you Serela

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SB

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #805 on: December 13, 2013, 05:52:37 PM »
Okay so:
-BBM is scum off of his claim. The fact that he would advocate a turbolynch on me without a claim when he has literally never said anything that makes me scum aside from PoE is also concerning.
-ActionDan is scum from the Announcer idle and questionable play. I want him to keep using it every night from now on.
-Prims is scum for the weird part where he seemed to know my role. His general play has been kind of lazy and he's also said literally one thing that makes me scum all and then says I'm the second highest PoE target.

BBM and Prims also have weird interactions over the last few pages and tbh I agree with what Conq said.

The sudden Prims worry is retarded because the quote from Prims explicitly shows he doesn't know what SB's role is.
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or target SB/BT/Shadoweh and hope I don't hit a scum goon?

This definitely implies that he thought that we were all vanillas. In fact the whole thing reads like mudslinging and trying to deny people who should be clear from actually getting cleared, just like he did with Bofh and his godfather spec. Actually, he stopped this right before Conq subbed in and never brought up the possibility ever again, maybe because he figured he would never have a chance of mislynching a strong player like Conq doing that and thought he could get away with it with Bofh?

Serela

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #806 on: December 13, 2013, 05:58:23 PM »
The godfather spec was silly, but yeah, uh, Prims' quote there is kind of perfectly goddamn fine? He doesn't want to hit a scum goon because they'll return as Vanilla. The other scum roles would presumably be incriminating to some degree, even with only their name, especially as Shadoweh had already claimed Vanilla so returning otherwise would be, yeah.

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In fact the whole thing reads like mudslinging and trying to deny people who should be clear from actually getting cleared
This makes absolutely no sense either. I mean the bofh thing is true, but here it's just, what in the world are you even going on about, this is ridiculous.
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BT

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #807 on: December 13, 2013, 06:01:47 PM »
BT DIDN'T GIVE MY RESPONSE?
???

I'm sure there's a Bardiche going "serela why do you keep answering for people?!"
*raises hand*
still wanted to see what his reaction would be like

in any case the obvious detail that I omitted is that Prims would have had to "slip" wrt my role too (it's in there), hence it most likely isn't a slip

That being said, the balance itself of this role is indeed questionable, as has been pointed out (either you kill scum or cop a town... whilst being double-hated even in lylo which is obscenely horrible) I don't think it's completely unrealistic it's a real role but it IS pretty questionable. That being said I'd still like to lynch someone else JUST IN CASE and then you could TURBOLYNCH BBM TOMORROW, but that's looking less and less likely?
ehh the way I saw it, if it was single hated he could have claimed it and it would have been worth it overall to secure two clears, and double hated is a "don't claim ever" sort of thing

cut: what Serela said

SB

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #808 on: December 13, 2013, 06:02:29 PM »
Do you really think that there would be a vanilla scum/goon in a 16 player game with only 3 mafia members? That'd make the team way too weak but Prims doesn't want to end up clearing people if he's scum. I'm not saying he shouldn't check us but I'm saying that "if they don't turn up vanilla they aren't cleared" is completely flawed.

SB

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #809 on: December 13, 2013, 06:05:06 PM »
cut by BT who is probably right it isn't a slip in that case. Sigh.