Author Topic: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Night 3 (Student Council Thread)  (Read 51098 times)

BigBangMeteor

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #750 on: December 13, 2013, 08:53:34 AM »
Also when did Conq ever say he was an Insomniacmaker? >_>

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #751 on: December 13, 2013, 09:18:39 AM »
I didn't, but if you read the exchange with me and Rou you'll see it's part of my role.


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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #752 on: December 13, 2013, 09:24:32 AM »
Also targeting town with my role doesn't prove it either, because Cop is easily faked by mafia.
ftr, this is one of my main issues with testing your claim.
I will do some number crunching when I wake up.


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BT

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #753 on: December 13, 2013, 09:26:24 AM »
Can someone sum up role shenanigans?

Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #754 on: December 13, 2013, 10:12:00 AM »
I learn somebody's role name and become immune to their role, I targeted bofh N1 and was blocked targeting SB N2.
Conq can make people insomniacs (possibly among other things?) and bofh targeted Rou N1, but Rou didn't use it.
BBM is a 1-shot nightvig who only kills if he hits scum and gains a huge penalty either way.
Shadoweh is vanilla lmaooooo

Shadoweh

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #755 on: December 13, 2013, 10:26:52 AM »
shadoweh I have discovered that I'm super decisive when I'm reading along but when I'm actually playing I devolve into a pile of Serelas held together only by inertia
Now imagining a pile of Serelas on scooters rolling down the street. I suggest instead of reacting on the spot that you just go back and reread to remember why you had those strong opinions. I know I'm the last person who can judge this but huh what has seemed pretty town to me in general. Usually if he's scum I'll be really conflicted about him and eventually he'll yell at me for not finding him town until I give in. I think he's being more depressed in a fuck everything kind of way.

I learn somebody's role name and become immune to their role, I targeted bofh N1 and was blocked targeting SB N2.
Conq can make people insomniacs (possibly among other things?) and bofh targeted Rou N1, but Rou didn't use it.
BBM is a 1-shot nightvig who only kills if he hits scum and gains a huge penalty either way.
Shadoweh is vanilla lmaooooo
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FinnKaenbyou

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #756 on: December 13, 2013, 11:23:59 AM »
oh jesus fuck what the hell is happening

why did bt and sb vanish seriously guys i loved you :<

I think I have a good idea of what BBM's drawback is, and it's terrifying. But if we rule out BBM as well as Shadoweh who is even left to go after today? Dan? Prims? I really don't want to go after the two people I had the best reads on but BT's really done very little today. I'd really like to see him deliver on a proper post after he catches up.

I'll be around for deadline if necessary, so I can go wherever. Honestly I still like the BBM lynch just because I suspect giving him a chance to shoot is actually more harm than it's worth.

(Also, petty as this is, a role called Hotshot should really have a ##Shoot command rather than a ##Stab.)

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #757 on: December 13, 2013, 02:31:34 PM »
Still need to reread BT (I just work up, I actually slept pretty terribly for once and I have a headache, I think I'm going to nap later :c) but no we aren't lynching Prims I really think he's town. I'd rather we didn't lynch Dan either but at least I'd be less super resistant to it >_>

I should probably reread SB too so I'm not advocating his lynch purely off PoE'ing the null slot, but I doubt I'm going to see anything all that interesting <_<

OR WE COULD LYNCH POLLY THAT'D BE COOL
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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #758 on: December 13, 2013, 02:38:18 PM »
I'm reading and I think I have like 800 words already? :words: :words:. I'm still up for lynching Polly as it stands.

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #759 on: December 13, 2013, 03:58:36 PM »
Ya, in the end I would say BBM is scum because that particular drawback wouldn't have become a problem had he used it night one and then proceeded to NEVER MENTION THE DRAWBACK. "this guy is rolecomfirmed town" - the end.

However, I wonder if it's feasible to let him live on the offchance he's town (with the stipulation that he has to die the next day no matter what if no scum dies) - the problem is how much damage a scum!BBM could do over the night.

There's something like 6-7 hours left IIRC and still no further claims.

Don't lynch me.

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #760 on: December 13, 2013, 04:06:07 PM »
SB and BT are the only ones who haven't claimed, right? BT's about to post so there should be one of them.
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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #761 on: December 13, 2013, 04:10:40 PM »
OK I'm going to come out with this because the more I think about it the more I am HONESTLY sure we cannot afford to let BBM survive today.

My theory right now is that BBM is a third party. What he claims to be a one-shot cop is actually an affiliation switch of sorts, where if he shoots town he becomes scum and vice versa. The reason he hasn't used it until now is that he wanted to get to a LYLO/MYLO situation, then shoot an obvious member of town in order to become scum and seal his own victory. It's the only explanation I can think of for his 'if scum knows my strategy then town will lose' strat - because it means they can just use him as an extra member of scum and steal the win.

Really happy with my vote where it is. Gonna be honest I don't trust BBM's claim as far as I can throw it.

BigBangMeteor

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #762 on: December 13, 2013, 04:14:05 PM »
Ya, in the end I would say BBM is scum because that particular drawback wouldn't have become a problem had he used it night one and then proceeded to NEVER MENTION THE DRAWBACK. "this guy is rolecomfirmed town" - the end.

However, I wonder if it's feasible to let him live on the offchance he's town (with the stipulation that he has to die the next day no matter what if no scum dies) - the problem is how much damage a scum!BBM could do over the night.

There's something like 6-7 hours left IIRC and still no further claims.

Except if I'd hit town I wouldn't have been role-confirmed town because in that case it would have just been a 1-shot Cop and that's easy as hell to fake.

##Vote: Prims

I slept for longer than I intended to, so no time sorry. His role is scum though, and rolespec ftw. Hopefully I should be back before phase end if you guys don't lynch me early.




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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #763 on: December 13, 2013, 04:15:44 PM »
I thought about it some more and I realized that despite all his platitudes of don't lynch me, BBM hasn't even made an effort to put forth an alternate lynch candidate or seriously try to scumhunt (he's still not voting and the most we have for his scumpicks is some undetermined order of polly/sb/prims), which makes me think this is a hail mary of sorts. I think all in all I'd rather lynch BBM unless I reread and find a better candidate.

cut by a vote. I tend to agree that his role suits scum pretty well but if that's all you have to give I don't get the impression you're trying at all.

BT, what's wrong with just posting what you have instead of posting a huge wall that no one will read fully because it'll take several seconds to scroll down?


On tue un homme, on est un assassin. On tue des millions d'hommes, on est un conqu?rant. On les tue tous, on est un dieu.
Every saint has a past and every sinner a future.

Serela

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #764 on: December 13, 2013, 04:16:52 PM »
Rou that theory is crazy and also would make no sense considering we're not in lylo. Do you think there was only 2 scum to start with in this 15 player game?

Also wow really. No. We're not lynching Prims. Doing it off rolespec is even sillier because Prims offered up his role with zero pressure from anyone to do so, starting with saying he was roleblocked. Doing that as scum doesn't really make sense because claiming rolecop for absolutely no reason = ???. I mean, if prims' actually play was scummy, I guess that'd work, but before rolespec no one thought Prims was scum at all? Uhh.

Also people should stop tempting me to lynch BBM anyway you can just lynch him tomorrow guise. :C Let's lynch a different scum today at the least.
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BigBangMeteor

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #765 on: December 13, 2013, 04:17:59 PM »
sigh SCREW IT

If I don't hit scum you guys are 100% going to lynch me tomorrow anyways, so I might as well say it- I gain a double hated modifier for the rest of the game, including *YLO if I target town. If I'd used my ability early and hit town, then at any time I got like one or two votes on me later on, I'd have had to claim it so that I didn't get accidentally hammered, and then scum would let me live to *YLO for an easy hammer. Which is why I decided to save it for when the chances of hitting scum were the highest.

@Conq- I really don't have time so shrug.

BigBangMeteor

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #766 on: December 13, 2013, 04:19:43 PM »
Serela, if you don't want to lynch me, and you don't want to lynch Prims, who do you want to lynch?

I guess I'd be down for an SB turbowagon if you guys did that!

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #767 on: December 13, 2013, 04:20:23 PM »
I would have maybe believed you if you were just hated (which is what I guessed), but double hated is lol.

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Which is why I decided to save it for when the chances of hitting scum were the highest.
If you have a role that makes you hated, either you use it early or you don't use it at all.


On tue un homme, on est un assassin. On tue des millions d'hommes, on est un conqu?rant. On les tue tous, on est un dieu.
Every saint has a past and every sinner a future.

Conqueror

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #768 on: December 13, 2013, 04:21:46 PM »
I think I'm ready for this lynch after BT and SB post/claim/whatever.


On tue un homme, on est un assassin. On tue des millions d'hommes, on est un conqu?rant. On les tue tous, on est un dieu.
Every saint has a past and every sinner a future.

Conqueror

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #769 on: December 13, 2013, 04:22:19 PM »
I'm not down for a SB turbowagon fwiw.


On tue un homme, on est un assassin. On tue des millions d'hommes, on est un conqu?rant. On les tue tous, on est un dieu.
Every saint has a past and every sinner a future.

Serela

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #770 on: December 13, 2013, 04:23:02 PM »
BBM I've been saying that so much lately come on. :c Polaris is top, SB is PoE-tier second and even though it's only a null read I'm for some reason fairly well thinking he'll flip scum.

Anyway that was exactly what I thought BBM got, yeah. Just lynch him tomorrow if scum doesn't die overnight. Srs.

also, conq, did you miss the part where he only becomes hated if he hits town? The point is trying to use it when he can most likely hit scum with it, so there's no negative to deal with in the first place. Anyway, I' not super positive he's town, but I think it's a reasonable enough possibility that you can just LYNCH HIM TOMORROW IF NOTHING HAPPENS
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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #771 on: December 13, 2013, 04:24:15 PM »
SERELA DO YOU THINK KILGA WOULD PUT A TOWN ROLE IN HIS GAME THAT MAKES SOMEONE DOUBLE HATED IF THEY MISVIG?

Dude that moves up LYLO like 2 days early or something.


On tue un homme, on est un assassin. On tue des millions d'hommes, on est un conqu?rant. On les tue tous, on est un dieu.
Every saint has a past and every sinner a future.

Conqueror

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #772 on: December 13, 2013, 04:26:19 PM »
*mistarget, not misvig, but you get my drift. The gamestate difference between being killing one scum overnight and becoming double hated overnight is enormous. The game would practically hinge on whether or not he targeted the right person.


On tue un homme, on est un assassin. On tue des millions d'hommes, on est un conqu?rant. On les tue tous, on est un dieu.
Every saint has a past and every sinner a future.

Serela

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #773 on: December 13, 2013, 04:28:10 PM »
yeah I guess that's a pretty good point

cough

bt will you just post already so I can think about something other then how I should probably be hammering bbm right now
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BigBangMeteor

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #774 on: December 13, 2013, 04:29:42 PM »
*mistarget, not misvig, but you get my drift. The gamestate difference between being killing one scum overnight and becoming double hated overnight is enormous. The game would practically hinge on whether or not he targeted the right person.

THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO WAIT

ActionDan

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #775 on: December 13, 2013, 04:31:08 PM »
he's not at hammer threshold yet.

needs another vote.

I'll supply that vote and you vote right after Serela.

But I'll vote once SB/BT have fully claimed.  BT/SB SHOULD NOT VOTE

Don't lynch me.

BT

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #776 on: December 13, 2013, 04:31:51 PM »
BT, what's wrong with just posting what you have instead of posting a huge wall that no one will read fully because it'll take several seconds to scroll down?
lol you asked for it

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Shadoweh's clear on Dan sucks - scum Dan with an announcer action could have done the exact same stuff. "Yeah this is what Town!Dan does with a shitty role" is easy to say if you're not really trying to find out Dan's alignment. The Polly stance is the same with "this role fits" followed by "I'm willing to assume he's town" for no given reason. Her point of showing off people's bad voting history is really dandy when you could do that for every other player in the game. If she as town thought BBM's D1 was obvscum she could've analyzed it in front on everyone's faces instead of getting mad about people criticizing it. It's the kind of response that comes from scum trying to :effort: it up and failing - town can just continue strengthening their arguments instead.

Btw, it probably would have been easier talking about your Serela stance now if you were clear about it, which you usually are. I got the feeling your D1 post was giving Serela a townlean but then you kind of regressed into null-ing him again without any thought process or anything. As for your "slip" I thought saying "X Y Z should have died" implies you at the very least leaned town of them. I guess you're right about the ensuing paranoia but now I'm wondering what happened to your paranoia before D3, since that makes no sense all the same. It stays that the comment on Rou not dying probably wouldn't have been there if your read was real.

RE stuff about the D2 switch to Polly and self-depreciation, the Rai wagon wasn't likely to happen and it felt like the game was going slow because of lurkers which kind of demotivated me in general. (notice my effort into pushing a lynch on an active slot that stood no chance against lurker lynch a , lurker lynch b or even lurker lynch c) It also kind of lingered into D3 but it should be fine now. I did actually try making a ~*~big reread~*~ entering D3 but lost motivation to do so immediately after the thought, so there ended up being no "hint" of it (that sentence on SB/Prims/BBM in my last post was admittedly pathetic). From what I DID end up reading I thought Shadoweh was scum and the Rai/Serela kills don't change much on that front when you think about it - except maybe force people to look at the townier people, which actually fits nicely considering Shadoweh was lurking it up. In response to Conq, the rest of the Shadoweh case wasn't fluff? The bits about Serela and Rou were there because I thought they were two inconsistencies and were actually a big factor in the placement of my vote. And on Polly, when I think about a role like the one he claimed I think about a game based around duplicates of roles, and the advent of "different" roles like announcer and vengeful spirit went against that idea completely. The recent claims only strengthen this. His claim wouldn't be there to check the existence of actions, it'd be there to quantify them. It's a "really good" fakeclaim because it's easy to fake results and it sounds original, so it doesn't surprise me that they wouldn't think it through. Btw Conq if you mean "looking for townreads" in the extreme sense like what I did last game, well, that was extreme. Not every game goes like that.

I want to continue thinking down this line of "scum wanted to shake things up with the NKs because ____" but besides Polly/Shadoweh's situation it doesn't really point to a "last scum". SB would have been an early busser who didn't expect everyone to immediately jump on Shadoweh today? The way Shadoweh pushes the BBM counterwagon without differentiating between her suspects before voting and without expanding on "BBM should be speedlynched", something that isn't obvious in the least, it could actually be a bus, especially since BBM's recent defenses of "why THIS and not THAT" don't sit well with me, but oh boy I'm assuming too many things again, plus the vig claim makes a lot of sense in the current game balance so bleh. The simple answer would be to look at the origin of the BBM wagon and it's Dan doing PoE after ignoring Shadoweh and Polly, so it'd probably be him. I think.

So let's actually look at those other dudes without connections shall we. <_<

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It's hilarious I wanted to say how I'm tempted to read BBM town over the "what if SB/Prims tipped Dan off" thing among others but, uh, double hated.

BT

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #777 on: December 13, 2013, 04:32:47 PM »
obviously I want to post more but I don't see myself dying tonight anyway and I'm fine with this now wow

also my reads will change most likely

BT

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #778 on: December 13, 2013, 04:36:07 PM »
to clarify my assumption was vig with a hated restriction too and I kind of saw it as a net profit for town overall since it'd be confirmable and other things but double hated is, cough, slightly worse

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #779 on: December 13, 2013, 04:36:18 PM »
THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO WAIT
Maybe if the mod were someone else but I think Kilga would try to avoid that after what happened with the Town Suicide Bomb in C7D.

Also I think if BBM!town were seriously looking for a not!him lynch he would have just voted SB over Prims first given that I'm like the only person who has seriously considered Prims!scum.


On tue un homme, on est un assassin. On tue des millions d'hommes, on est un conqu?rant. On les tue tous, on est un dieu.
Every saint has a past and every sinner a future.