Author Topic: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Night 3 (Student Council Thread)  (Read 51106 times)

BigBangMeteor

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #600 on: December 12, 2013, 03:52:35 AM »
Okay, I missed that. Fair enough, that makes that action null rather than scummy. Either way, ##Vote: ActionDan

He's done nothing townie and his cases are super-lazy. PoE is fine; I use it all the time. But you have to back it up with stuff, which he isn't doing. He just picked me somewhat arbitrarily out of a bunch of other people who he said could also be scum. Also with PoE you have to be really sure that the people you're listing as townreads are town. Dan's townreads are mostly arbitrary with no reasoning behind them, which makes it super easy for him to take back those townreads with "Yeah I changed my mind", and then because he didn't explain the reasons for the townreads, he doesn't have to explain why those reasons don't hold.

Shadoweh is trying more so eh.

Conq, why is it townie for Shadoweh to respond antagonistically to people voting for her but scummy for me to be irritable about votes I can't defend against?

Also Polaris's role if real doesn't strike me as scum, but so far he's come up with nothing so.

Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #601 on: December 12, 2013, 03:55:48 AM »
I'd find it reasonable if you weren't doing it through emotional manipulation which is both lame and scummy. You can argue with people without bullying them, but scum are more likely to belittle townies because it's demotivating. tl;dr AtE is a mafia tactic.

BBM Cut: "Shadoweh is trying more so eh. " <_< How does this invalidate the case on her at all? That's a lazy as fuck way to drop a case. Also you've played with Dan when he's done this shit before, why is it scummy now when he was town then? This isn't really excusable like Rou's vote.

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #602 on: December 12, 2013, 03:57:47 AM »
which townreads are you referring too?

The only people alive coming into D3 that I thought were town were Serela and BT. 

I was actually ambivalent on Polaris/Shadoweh but since about 2-3 pages ago I've decided Shadoweh sounds town and Polaris is actually probably town.


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BigBangMeteor

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #603 on: December 12, 2013, 04:00:13 AM »
Stop being an ass Shadoweh; I've gotten 10 hours of sleep over the last three days and I'm studying like 15 hours a day. I'm skimming stuff a lot atm which is why I asked you to clarify.

Which of my votes are opportunistic? I was the first person to vote Sky on D1 seriously and was voting him. First half of D2 I was voting Serela, and that was also not opportunistic because nobody else found him scummy really. You could make a case for my Polaris vote since it was right after Serela voted for him, but that was a co-incidence (but whatever). My PX vote was mostly consolidation and also nobody really thought he was townie. I would have voted you earlier today than I did, but only had time for like one line before others voted so meh.

Those are the townreads I'm referring to (Polaris and Shadoweh, mainly Polaris) because you were using them to justify the PoE. And BT too I guess, but you've said a little more on that.

Shadoweh has more content, and originally I voted her for not much content so.

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #604 on: December 12, 2013, 04:00:52 AM »
polaris' role, if scum, could also not even be real >_> "Here I'll tell you what your action's name is to confirm my role!" because clearly a normal rolecop is not also entirely capable of this, right? RB'er n1 when the alt wincon townie RBer flipped already, announcer n2 where it'll be painfully obvious whether it's actually been used or not, etc.

The long and short of it is just that Polaris' role is null. It doesn't make him scum but it certainly isn't a reason to think he's town. Remember SkyPal's claim last game?
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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #605 on: December 12, 2013, 04:01:37 AM »
Is the word filter on rolec
Spoiler:
op ever going to be removed I swear it's been like a year or more
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BigBangMeteor

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #606 on: December 12, 2013, 04:03:34 AM »
is it a word filter? I thought people just liked saying roleclop

I've only played one game before with Dan AFAICR, Town. And IWBTS but IIRC he was scum there so. I don't want to meta off one game but even if I did, I think his play is more like the latter than the former.

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #607 on: December 12, 2013, 04:07:54 AM »
Dan's play is kind of a thing in all of his games in the non-distant past, as far as I can remember. It's why I use so much meta in reading him- if I didn't he'd just be a scum read all the time forever.
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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #608 on: December 12, 2013, 04:10:22 AM »
My claim this game isn't wacky lmao. No potential gambit tied to it at all.
There better not be.  :colbert:

Yeah, Shadoweh's PX vote was lazy and bad, I can't refute that. But I don't remember getting the best impression from any of the votes on PX anyway when I was looking at them. I'll have to relook at them in context. My point being: why is Shadoweh scum coasting until the water got hot instead of town doing the same?

Also, I'm not arguing that Shadoweh's not antagonistic. I'm saying that being antagonistic is completely null unless a player is known to be more antagonistic as one alignment, which doesn't apply here.

Anyway Prims what's your reason for your BBM gut townread? I can understand thinking BT is town, I thought he was town while I was reading along until I got to the later parts. But BBM has been fairly low-key all game. BBM (or was it you?) once said that as town, he waffles more because he finds the little things that make them town, but as scum he ignores them, and I think he fits that profile here.



Conq, why is it townie for Shadoweh to respond antagonistically to people voting for her but scummy for me to be irritable about votes I can't defend against?
It's true that I've never seen you actually mad before, the most you seem to get is frustrated. So I'll repeat back to you the same answer you gave me once. You can tell when someone's mad at being voted by scum vs mad because they can't defend against ~*gut*~.

It's okay though I'll have non-gut stuff you can reply to later.


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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #609 on: December 12, 2013, 04:11:14 AM »
Also yes Shadoweh stop being a jerk, at least one of the four people voting you was town. Who do you think it was?


On tue un homme, on est un assassin. On tue des millions d'hommes, on est un conqu?rant. On les tue tous, on est un dieu.
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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #610 on: December 12, 2013, 04:13:10 AM »
only serela can be this scummy even after being confirmed town

Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #611 on: December 12, 2013, 04:16:09 AM »
The best I can explain it is that despite being under the radar he's made good points and tonally/posting-style-wise reminded me of Rewrite. I don't like his recent post but also don't see the scum benefit in moving to Dan at this point?

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My point being: why is Shadoweh scum coasting until the water got hot instead of town doing the same?
I don't know how you expect me to answer this. Why is anybody who does a scummy thing scum and not town doing the same? The best I can really give you is that I expect a higher level of participation from town!Shadoweh.

BigBangMeteor

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #612 on: December 12, 2013, 04:17:36 AM »
only serela can be this scummy even after being confirmed town
good quote, would sig if I knew how to

I think that was my self-meta on myself. But yeah idk what that's supposed to apply to atm because I honestly can't think of anything townie that I'm ignoring about Dan atm? If you think Dan is town, can you state why? Or restate if you already have.


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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #613 on: December 12, 2013, 04:18:25 AM »
ONCE I'M CONFIRMED TOWN I DON'T HAVE TO CARE it's just the best.

I'm about to die, too, which makes it matter even less >_> Plus since I get to talk through the night I don't have to worry about getting my stuff done before deadline. Now, -yes-, I should probably nooot be putting off BBM since he might be that day's lynch, but, uh, I'll get around to it before it's too late for that <_<

In a nutshell, though, I'm not being offput by how the day's going, so I'm not concerned about trying to push people harder into doing something different.
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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #614 on: December 12, 2013, 04:20:45 AM »
polaris' role, if scum, could also not even be real >_> "Here I'll tell you what your action's name is to confirm my role!" because clearly a normal Roleclop is not also entirely capable of this, right? RB'er n1 when the alt wincon townie RBer flipped already, announcer n2 where it'll be painfully obvious whether it's actually been used or not, etc.

The long and short of it is just that Polaris' role is null. It doesn't make him scum but it certainly isn't a reason to think he's town. Remember SkyPal's claim last game?
I admit that this is possible. I don't think it's quite as easy because if there had been an announcement today he would have been held to telling us the exact name of the action. It's not like he knew Dan would do nothing rather then get caught not being a cop.

Is the word filter on rolec
Spoiler:
op ever going to be removed I swear it's been like a year or more
I hope not ever.

Also you guys have been telling me my AtE is scummy since my first game, it's just WHO I AM!

BBM: Anyone voting Serela can be argued to be voting opportunistically all things considered. Being able to vote Sky P and sit on it doesn't absolve you. I don't really know what to tell you because I've suspected you're one of the only people left who can be scum since you asked me for suspects yesterday, but didn't know how to put it into words. Also you keep voting Dan. :V Who is not scum. I tried not to be as sarcastic as I could be, I'm not mad at you here, I'm just staking everything on you being scum.


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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #615 on: December 12, 2013, 04:26:58 AM »
good quote, would sig if I knew how to
Go to top of webpage, go to Profile, on the side go to Forum Profile, you'll find it there. I still want him to quote the 'oh man now i have to think' from Mirai Nikki..


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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #616 on: December 12, 2013, 04:28:34 AM »
##Unvote
Will re-think this clusterfuck tomorrow. I'm done arguing for the day, keep getting distracted from what I'm actually supposed to be doing.

Conq, if you have a targeting role, target me tonight.

Conqueror

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #617 on: December 12, 2013, 04:40:59 AM »
Why is anybody who does a scummy thing scum and not town doing the same?
This is why mafia is hard. Yes, Shadoweh could be scum. Yes, she could also be town. Which is it? I get the impression that as town you'd put more effort into figuring this out, but what I've seen from you is "Shadoweh is lazy, could be scum" and then everything after that is an affirmation that what she's posting wouldn't be out of her league as scum. Yeah, okay, you're lazy and laziness doesn't mean scum. But the way you keep coming up with reasons to sit on Shadoweh is pretty sus, because a lot of your posting isn't looking at Shadoweh's posts and thinking about why she's town or scum, but taking her posts and saying "this makes sense from Shadoweh scum like this". tldr; I get the impression you've made up your mind about Shadoweh scum and are fitting everything else around that.

BBM, it's more like this. In games where I've read you where you were town, you're more focused and there's more of a thought process behind the way your votes move. But take stuff like your case on Dan, which boils down to playstyle (lazy cases) and the fact that his townreads seem arbitrary. What do you think about stuff like this in a game where PX flipped town after coming up with reads out of nowhere? Your analysis is all really superficial. You're not looking for intent.

This applies even when I go back in your ISO. Your Shadoweh vote was because she had no suspicions and having bad logic. PX quotes random things out of context. Polaris/Serela don't have clear reads. Sky's scumreads are basically just pointing out the people who find him scummy and his percentages are arbitrary.

It's easy to take people who are playing questionably and then rag on them for their play, and this is the pattern in what I see BBM doing. Again, it's the difference between scumhunting intent and scumhunting bad play.

Any "town case" on Dan I made would ultimately boil down to meta and I generally try to avoid stuff like that because it's impossible to explain; it's like reading Serela.

Polaris if you can show up to make quips you can post more about other stuff. Who is scum besides BBM?


On tue un homme, on est un assassin. On tue des millions d'hommes, on est un conqu?rant. On les tue tous, on est un dieu.
Every saint has a past and every sinner a future.

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #618 on: December 12, 2013, 04:50:58 AM »
I kinda want to see more from SB because I always read him as null and this game is no different. SB, is the main reason you dislike Shadoweh because she hadn't done anything at that point? Also how does your Dan read measure up when you think about the other games you've played with him?




On tue un homme, on est un assassin. On tue des millions d'hommes, on est un conqu?rant. On les tue tous, on est un dieu.
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BigBangMeteor

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #619 on: December 12, 2013, 05:16:41 AM »
I have explained scum intent. PX lurked and I thought his methods of scumhunting were suspicious, as was some of the stuff he said, but I don't think that "arbitrary reads" was a valid complaint about him. He gave reasons for his Raikaria scumread in several posts (which was more or less his only explicitly stated read). Dan hasn't given reasons for any read other than his Rou suspicion early on which he never pushed very hard, NNR, which was just sheeping anyways, Bofh, and BT kind of. He hasn't given reasons for Polaris or Shadoweh, and the scum intent in giving arbitrary reads with nothing behind them is the context. The arbitrary townread on Polaris is being used to justify PoE so that he can just sit on the vote and give no other reasons for it. Once I flip town, because the read on Polaris is so arbitrary, it would be extremely easy for him to then switch his opinion on Polaris, because he has no prior reasoning to overcome, and just use "PoE" as a justification again.

Lazy cases isn't just playstyle. Laziness is scummy. Dan is one of the most active posters in the game. He's here all the time and still his posts have low content in them. That's like the definition of active lurking.

How many people are voting me btw? 4?


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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #620 on: December 12, 2013, 05:18:08 AM »
tbh I didn't think BT was scum while reading the game earlier but his day opening post rings all sorts of alarm bells. The Shadoweh vote is completely underwhelming. He points out Shadoweh being waffly about Serela which means...what? Shadoweh is also scum for voteparking PX, fair enough, but then he turns Shadoweh's joke where she said "I'm sorry for doubting you Rou" and somehow makes it a slip? Like if BT had just said that he felt like Shadoweh's vote on PX felt like a scumpark, that would be have made sense, but the way it's encased in this other fluff makes me think BT was trying to pad up his vote.

The rolespec push on Polly is weird because the notion that his role "wouldn't fit in the setup" is baseless and the "actually a scum rolecop" theory is indefensible, not to mention rolecops could be any alignment anyway. In any case, what happened to reads, not roles?

Another thing that bothered me was Raikaria/Serela dying over people like Prims/BT. Yeah, NK spec, I went there. Sure, Raikaria/Serela weren't really being pushed as scum but neither were Prims/BT and the latter two are bigger endgame threats (no offense to Raikaria/Serela). Anyway, weird kills are possible from mafia, scum can be weird. What bothers me is BT's reaction to all this; I'm pretty sure BT!town would put more effort into re-evaluating to see if people like Prims/BBM/SB are town, especially after one of his top suspects got nightkilled. Him just going forward with pushing Shadoweh and Polaris without any hint of reevaluation isn't what I'd expect from him!town. This was pretty badly worded, so I'll reread BT later and try to think about this more.


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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #621 on: December 12, 2013, 05:24:37 AM »
Polaris if you can show up to make quips you can post more about other stuff. Who is scum besides BBM?

i totally couldn't post more about other stuff because i was busy doing ~*~*~homework~*~*~ but i'm thinking huh what isn't scum, so sb/bt? wow if that's really the scumteam then it'll be like some sort of initialism trifecta

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #622 on: December 12, 2013, 05:49:23 AM »
I think Dan, Polaris, and Shadoweh are voting you. I haven't voted yet, despite everything that I've said. I'm a flexible person, I listen to counterarguments!

I have explained scum intent. PX lurked and I thought his methods of scumhunting were suspicious, as was some of the stuff he said, but I don't think that "arbitrary reads" was a valid complaint about him. He gave reasons for his Raikaria scumread in several posts (which was more or less his only explicitly stated read). Dan hasn't given reasons for any read other than his Rou suspicion early on which he never pushed very hard, NNR, which was just sheeping anyways, Bofh, and BT kind of. He hasn't given reasons for Polaris or Shadoweh, and the scum intent in giving arbitrary reads with nothing behind them is the context. The arbitrary townread on Polaris is being used to justify PoE so that he can just sit on the vote and give no other reasons for it. Once I flip town, because the read on Polaris is so arbitrary, it would be extremely easy for him to then switch his opinion on Polaris, because he has no prior reasoning to overcome, and just use "PoE" as a justification again.
PX's random things out of context (I don't know who arbitrary reads refers to) was just something I quoted that you brought up against PX. I'm still not sure what this intent you were talking about was (lurking town with questionable methods of scumhunting have been the bane of town in mafia games since forever) but in any case he was only one of the people you cased against. When I say "intent," I'm not saying I expected you to say explain every detail of why something someone did furthered their scum wincon, that would just be busywork and I'm sure you could make up something like that about almost anyone. Also, it'd just be after-the-fact justification anyway. It's about separating the alignment neutral stuff (bad play, lurking because no time) from the alignment-connected stuff (deliberately bad play, tactical lurking). It's the difference between going "oh this person's play is pretty funky and i want to remove them from the game so bad but they're probably town because such and such" and "wow this person's play is funky thus they are scum." I see a lot of the latter in this game.

I sympathize with PoE being frustrating to defend against. It's pissed me off so many times as either alignment. But if you're going to talk about PoE, Dan's vote on you came before he even really started talking about PoE, for, if I recall correctly, suspecting Serela. PoE doesn't really come into this at all. Now, if you're talking about reasonless votes...

Lazy cases isn't just playstyle. Laziness is scummy. Dan is one of the most active posters in the game. He's here all the time and still his posts have low content in them. That's like the definition of active lurking.

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Since you're making me do this, yes, the lazy cases you're talking about are a playstyle. Yes, lazy cases are also scummy as a general rule, but that doesn't negate the fact that some people post "lazy cases" as either alignment. If this weren't true I'd lynch all people who didn't post scrupulously logical walls of text and win all my mafia games. This definitely applies to Dan; you saw some of this in games like Town Mafia, so why are you so fixated on his behaviour in this game when he's posted loads more in this game than in Town Mafia? His posts may be low on words but the difference in how he posts as either alignment is his reads and his posting attitude. As town he's very relaxed and he posts who he thinks are scum/town when it comes to him. When he's scum he's nervous to post because he doesn't want to PoE his scumbuddies. But anyway, enough of that. What kind of content are you looking for from Dan that would make him not an active lurker? A detailed explanation of why you're scum? Well, sure, let's ask Dan.

Dan, why do you think BBM is scum? Not just the Serela thing. Might as well explain more while we're at it since you're not going to be convincing other people with that argument of yours.


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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #623 on: December 12, 2013, 05:51:20 AM »
i totally couldn't post more about other stuff because i was busy doing ~*~*~homework~*~*~ but i'm thinking huh what isn't scum, so sb/bt? wow if that's really the scumteam then it'll be like some sort of initialism trifecta
even though i dont really think you're scum you're still not super town in my books so you're going to have to do better than that. why isn't huhwhat scum, and in that case why does poe lead to sb/bt? What do you think about people like Shadoweh now?


On tue un homme, on est un assassin. On tue des millions d'hommes, on est un conqu?rant. On les tue tous, on est un dieu.
Every saint has a past and every sinner a future.

Conqueror

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #624 on: December 12, 2013, 05:54:00 AM »
also, shadoweh, your opinion on who is scum besides bbm because there are not 4 scum in this game :V
a penny for your thoughts


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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #625 on: December 12, 2013, 06:04:54 AM »
also, shadoweh, your opinion on who is scum besides bbm because there are not 4 scum in this game :V
a penny for your thoughts
Conq I clearly outlined my scumteam as SB/BT/BBM with a possibility of huh what or Polaris afterwards. :< You didn't know that we were basically thinking the same thoughts and I was writing fanfictions about riding off with you into the sunset?
I'm trying so hard to bite down on my waffleism. Every time I read any of their posts I have doubts and I have to remind myself everyone else can't be town.


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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #626 on: December 12, 2013, 06:10:47 AM »
I don't think Shadoweh is scum and voting her in the first place was kind of a frustrated reaction that I think was dumb of me in retrospect. I think the PoE is obvious from there.

"why isn't huhwhat scum" is a pretty good question and the answers I have for it is going to be SUPER LAME but, huh what posted a lot more and his posts seem to have a genuine thought process behind it, or uh something ??? who uses logic in mafia anyways. there's also his role that i want to consider

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #627 on: December 12, 2013, 06:17:38 AM »
saying the PoE is obvious is fine except we need half the game to get a lynch and as you can see not everyone agrees with this PoE. I want to hear your thought process, from you! :)


On tue un homme, on est un assassin. On tue des millions d'hommes, on est un conqu?rant. On les tue tous, on est un dieu.
Every saint has a past and every sinner a future.

Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #628 on: December 12, 2013, 06:24:31 AM »
well jeez ok.

i'm town
bofh and rou are freebietown
actiondan is announcertown
shadoweh and huh what are lazytown
people who are left: sb, bt, bbm

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #629 on: December 12, 2013, 06:25:58 AM »
Someone (Prims?) asked why Sky is worse than NNR. Because NNR has made one scummy post and then flaked, while Sky has been consistently here voting Rou for just pushing someone hard. Pushing someone hard is more townie than scummy half the time because scum don't want to tie themselves to a mislynch in that manner. Rou has made like a whole bunch of posts since then, but still, all Sky is doing is saying "you're scummy for an over-zealous push against Dan", with a hint of "you're misrepping me" thrown in. If Sky really thought Rou was teh superscumz, he would be going through all of Rou's posts and saying why those posts are scummy. Instead he's just sticking to the same barely-out-of-RVS reason for his vote. His defence of "I'm town because I'm defending someone" is shit because even if scum don't want to be super-buddies with each other, scum defend town all the time because:

a) That person feels better about you for the most part.
b) You avoid tying yourself to their mislynch.
c) Defending someone whom you know is town is much easier than digging up reasons for why they're scum.

I think his "I AM WILLING TO DIE FOR TOWN'S MISSION" is WIFOM because he should know that flipping town doesn't automatically make him correct about anything.

Bofh may be scummy, but he is also a lurker. We're not lynching him or NNR off just one post.

This is just one of a few, but posts like these are why I never really considered BBM town.  And looking back, this particular post is an attempt to solidify rationalizations for where BBM's vote is at.    The question could have been answered succinctly by leaving it at the first sentence. 

Is that scummy to go on about who you suspect is scum by throwing whatever you've got at them? not really.  I do that all the time.   But I think the motivation here is not to 100% get Sky lynched,  but rather to make sure other people see that it's not fault of BBM's that he suspects Polaris because clearly look at all these scummy things Sky has done to inform BBM's impeccable judgement. 

His D2 is vote Serela -> vote Polaris -> vote PX.   Polaris became an interest solely due to existing really.  Serela vote to start lacks conviction.  conviction that at least was present in some form in the sky vote D1.  I feel that vote was motivated by the momentum BBM built around a serela suspicion end of D1.  In between days I'd have stepped back and realized that the accusation of active lurking was not particularly strong and instead think to myself that gee 8 people came together on the sky mislynch and that wagon didn't have competition, I wonder where the scum could be?

(Bonus the 'looks like an announcer but why'd the announcer declare dan to be town?' feels a priori stipulating that whoever was the announcer/cop was town; kinda weak but it's a difference from other responses)

 

Don't lynch me.