Author Topic: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Night 3 (Student Council Thread) (Read 51109 times)

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #570 on:** December 12, 2013, 02:36:28 AM »

It's also worth noting that the ITP was more accurately town with an alternate wincon. It would benefit him to back up anybody who was scanned scum due to him and block unlikely scan targets.

Serela · « **Reply #571 on:** December 12, 2013, 02:39:54 AM »

It still nerfs the cop because the cop doesn't see the results until a long time after he picks the target, plus the third party itself is like a beefed up Town Miller with an alt win condition that was theoretically difficult.

Even if the ITP backs up the person, it means the cop's investigate was wasted, and there's less of them in this game then normal. And the ITP itself was, yeah, like a Town Miller, so there's another wasted result.

Serela · « **Reply #572 on:** December 12, 2013, 02:41:20 AM »

well not a wasted result as much as untargettable since assumably he'd have claimed miller if he hadn't immediately ASCENDED AS CAPTAIN PLANET >_>

Serela · « **Reply #573 on:** December 12, 2013, 02:42:35 AM »

tl;dr the cop is shitty as fuk if there's a godfather too

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #574 on:** December 12, 2013, 02:43:29 AM »

That's probably true I guess. idk I'm tired of set-up spec because Dan is trying to shape the puzzle together as a Mafiascum Set-up and not a Kilga Set-up. I don't think everything means as much as people are claiming it does.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #575 on:** December 12, 2013, 02:47:17 AM »

Also Serela who is even scum? You've done like nothing this entire phase.

Serela · « **Reply #576 on:** December 12, 2013, 02:54:34 AM »

wat I'm the one who did the first vca does that not count for anything ;_; I said Polly and Shadoweh are scum. Shadoweh actually started doing things since the last time I said that though, which is kind of annoying, I want my scumreads to keep being blatantly scummy- that makes it easier to happily lynch them >_> I might need to re-evaluate things. Since clearly we don't seem to be heading towards a polly lynch today.

If you're going to say I've done nothing on Polly, that's because I felt the Polly stuff from d2 was still sufficient for the case. I mean, yeah, it hasn't gotten a wagon on him, but I wasn't sure what to really add to it anyway :V

I should probably get around to rereading BBM soon though. Oops. I actually have work most of tomorrow too. Wait, the deadline isn't until late in the day -after- that, right...? >> <<

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #577 on:** December 12, 2013, 02:59:17 AM »

Shadoweh is still scummy though, she's said a lot but the actual content is vacant and it's mostly AtE and her claiming to be right because she's right.

Kilgamayan · « **Reply #578 on:** December 12, 2013, 03:10:31 AM »

Conqueror replaces bofh, effective immediately.

Shadoweh · « **Reply #579 on:** December 12, 2013, 03:13:30 AM »

Quote from: Serela on December 12, 2013, 02:54:34 AM

wat I'm the one who did the first vca does that not count for anything ;_; I said Polly and Shadoweh are scum. Shadoweh actually started doing things since the last time I said that though, which is kind of annoying, I want my scumreads to keep being blatantly scummy- that makes it easier to happily lynch them >_> I might need to re-evaluate things. Since clearly we don't seem to be heading towards a polly lynch today.

Serela I'm not saying you're bad at mafia but YOU SHOULDN'T LYNCH PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE IT'S EASY.

Quote from: Prims on December 12, 2013, 01:50:53 AM

Right now I just want to lynch Shadoweh because she's scummy and her method of defending herself is to try and intimidate me and make me look bad while not actually pushing me as scum and it's slimy af.

Quote from: Prims on December 12, 2013, 02:59:17 AM

Shadoweh is still scummy though, she's said a lot but the actual content is vacant and it's mostly AtE and her claiming to be right because she's right.

Shadoweh is a mean girl and she's hurting my feelings ;-; she must be scum let's keep getting her guys!

Conqueror · « **Reply #580 on:** December 12, 2013, 03:13:37 AM »

oh boy, going to be making lots of posts in due time

first things first:

the scumteam is prims/bt/bbm

sb is a wildcard. whichever one of you four is town, i'm going to be talking to you later about your shadoweh vote.

serela, stop being a lazy bum.

will be back with some of the notes i wrote down while reading this game because wow.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #581 on:** December 12, 2013, 03:15:03 AM »

Well yeah. Out of the people on your wagon I'm the only one you're not pushing and you're going out of your way to be an ass and belittle me. Which alignment antagonizes townies?

Conqueror · « **Reply #582 on:** December 12, 2013, 03:17:04 AM »

Hey Prims, you got all offended when Shadoweh claimed VT early, making a big deal about how it would narrow down prs for scum. And then you just outright claim you were roleblocked and that you ~*have a role*~ making yourself a nice juicy target and eliminating the need to pr hunt. I considered it being a ~*fakeclaim to draw scum roleblockers*~ but you're using it as part of your attack on Shadoweh. And so there's apparently a roleblocker, and Prims decides to claim that yes, their action was successful and I have a role, please block me again?

Serela · « **Reply #583 on:** December 12, 2013, 03:18:28 AM »

Quote from: Conqueror on December 12, 2013, 03:13:37 AM

the scumteam is prims/bt

Wait huh?

Well I'll see what you have to say o:

ALSO SHADOWEH I SAID I LYNCH PEOPLE FOR BLATANT SCUMMINESS 'KAY D:

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #584 on:** December 12, 2013, 03:19:10 AM »

Somebody already said that and I already responded to it, but Shadoweh claimed before the cop claim. I didn't. I'm also not getting blocked tonight with an outed Cop and Doc.

Conqueror · « **Reply #585 on:** December 12, 2013, 03:25:22 AM »

Quote from: Prims on December 12, 2013, 03:15:03 AM

Well yeah. Out of the people on your wagon I'm the only one you're not pushing and you're going out of your way to be an ass and belittle me. Which alignment antagonizes townies?

Oh come on, Prims. This is just a lazy snipe. What's it implying, that scum!Shadoweh is trying to piss off the people she's not pushing as scum? Why, so she can get lynched faster? Also this game has already shown that townies can be antagonistic too.

Quote from: Prims on December 12, 2013, 03:19:10 AM

Somebody already said that and I already responded to it, but Shadoweh claimed before the cop claim. I didn't. I'm also not getting blocked tonight with an outed Cop and Doc.

Why does that matter? Also, Shadoweh was always going to be a major target for today, whereas the need for you to claim was nigh non-existent since you weren't being suspected. As for the outed doc and cop: The Doc is dead. The Cop is a delayed cop who gets results late. Therefore, you know the mafia have a roleblocker, and they have a free night tonight to block whoever they want since they can let the cop get his result and kill him tomorrow when the doc is gone. So you decide to out your pr and make it an easy choice for them? Not to mention it's a pointless softclaim in the first place.

Serela: Yeah, wait for my posts. I'm not actually all that sure about BT, but his posting today has been completely underwhelming.

Conqueror · « **Reply #586 on:** December 12, 2013, 03:30:30 AM »

Quote from: BigBangMeteor on December 11, 2013, 08:46:46 AM

whatever both the suspicions on me are basically gutreads at this point if Dan isn't going to explain why he can empathize with BT and not with me.

Real quickly I want to echo what Rou said earlier about this post, but to add to this: this is the tone of scum who's annoyed that they can't refute the reasonless votes on them. Remember that Dan is BBM's second choice for a vote after Shadoweh and while Polaris isn't really mentioned that much today a quick skim says BBM was on him on previous days.

Conqueror · « **Reply #587 on:** December 12, 2013, 03:33:18 AM »

oops submitted before finishing my post. tldr; it's me in Mirai Nikki Mafia's D1.

Something else I want to mention real quickly. Polly said that he couldn't see all the scum voting Shadoweh. I disagree. Prims suggested that we do just that in our last scum game together, all hop on the same wagon. Lazy, superficial VCA like that means bunk.

Prims, why is Shadoweh scum?

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #588 on:** December 12, 2013, 03:34:37 AM »

orrrrr she could be bullying people voting her into moving their vote which has been the agenda behind all her responses to me. It's also not a snipe when I'm SPECIFICALLY RESPONDING TO A POST ADDRESSED TO ME. Geez.

A cop result is a cop result. Arguing that scum can afford to leave him alive to block me, let alone that I'd assume they could, isn't realistic.

Cut: Shadoweh is scum because read my posts. :colbert: If you think I'm scum you should be doing this already.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #589 on:** December 12, 2013, 03:37:21 AM »

Real case for once you actually read the game like you said you did:

Spoiler:

BigBangMeteor · « **Reply #590 on:** December 12, 2013, 03:38:20 AM »

I said that as a notification that I'm not going to bother defending myself to those reads anymore, because they're gutreads and there's no defence I can make that would be adequate. Better to just focus on catching scum.

@Shadoweh- Correct me if I'm wrong, but your vote on me is literally "people voting me for me are scum due to VCA. Let's pick BBM". This might not be a completely faithful characterization because I was skimming but if there's anything else, summarize why I'm scum.

@Dan- Townies don't try to rack up towncred. That's something scum do. Town try to catch scum, and if they play well, they get towncred naturally. I notice you still didn't give a reason for why you lied about the Announcer thing btw.

@Rou- You've never played with me, so what classifies as "off"? Unless you meant "off" as just generally suspicious rather than "off from regular play".

Gonna look at Shadoweh's last few posts to determine whether I'd rather vote her or Dan.

Conqueror · « **Reply #591 on:** December 12, 2013, 03:39:15 AM »

Your posts about why Shadoweh is scum were the reason I scumread you ftr. But I'll go through this in more detail in a bit.

Quote from: Prims on December 12, 2013, 03:34:37 AM

A cop result is a cop result. Arguing that scum can afford to leave him alive to block me, let alone that I'd assume they could, isn't realistic.

Hey, you were the one worried about roleblockers. And why couldn't scum afford to leave him alive given that he wouldn't have an immediate result and Serela!Doc is dying soon making his death imminent?

But even without the doc and cop claim, why would you claim for no reason and open up the possibility of getting blocked?

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #592 on:** December 12, 2013, 03:40:27 AM »

Gut reaction to Shadoweh's post about me not being a power role. tbh I didn't have a good reason and just #YOLO'd it :/

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #593 on:** December 12, 2013, 03:43:15 AM »

Also, roleblocking Rou wouldn't stop him from receiving his N2 result. I don't know what more I can say then "A COP RESULT IS A COP RESULT" if you're not going to listen to that. Scum leaving him alive just isn't going to happen outside of some fantasy world you're using for the sake of continuing this argument.

Conqueror · « **Reply #594 on:** December 12, 2013, 03:43:25 AM »

Quote from: Prims on December 12, 2013, 03:37:21 AM

Real case for once you actually read the game like you said you did:
Spoiler:
Shadoweh has done nothing until people started attacking her and even then her play today is mostly antagonistic toward the people voting her and she'd rather post guesswork than actually reading the thread and making cases, as if she's just scum faking it so people think she still cares. D1 has her awkward buddying with Raikaria, and D2 all she did was keep a PX vote down with minimal effort into reading him or anybody else, this is comparable to her lazy scumplay in Bard's kingmaker game.

Unfortunately, doing nothing is alignment-irrelevant as PX and bofh have shown. Shadoweh isn't the best casemaker, but this is a far cry from her play in Bard's kingmaker game where she literally sat on Polaris and called him scum and did nothing else until Edible blasted her in the face. Her recent posts do a decent job of responding to the votes on her; why are you just brushing her off as antagonistic? I'd be antagonistic too if I thought all the scum were voting me.
Can't argue with the laziness of the PX vote, but are we looking for bad play or scummy play?

ActionDan · « **Reply #595 on:** December 12, 2013, 03:43:37 AM »

Shadoweh gave the answer I already gave in even clearer terms about why I'd lie about being an announcer.

I'd wish it to remain ambiguous because as far as scum know it's real and I'd be up for possible NK.

ActionDan · « **Reply #596 on:** December 12, 2013, 03:44:44 AM »

how nice it is to sub in for confirmed town

thought you'd agree BBM was scum

Conqueror · « **Reply #597 on:** December 12, 2013, 03:46:36 AM »

Quote from: Prims on December 12, 2013, 03:40:27 AM

Gut reaction to Shadoweh's post about me not being a power role. tbh I didn't have a good reason and just #YOLO'd it :/

I'd find this more comforting if your wackiest claims didn't come from you while you were scum. >_>

Also, re Rou's cop, I rechecked and realized I read his claim wrong, I thought it was like an even-night cop. So whoops, ignore what I said on that account.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #598 on:** December 12, 2013, 03:50:32 AM »

Except Shadoweh sitting on her PX vote and doing nothing was what she actually did. Taking until people started attacking her to take the game seriously is not a point in her favor.

The reason I'm calling her antagonistic might possibly be because her "decent job of responding" to my vote has consisted of talking about how bad I look even though I'm apparently not scum. Her BT response was alright but had a lot of attempts to shovel guilt on him based on presumptions which Shadoweh still hasn't actually backed up.

My claim this game isn't wacky lmao. No potential gambit tied to it at all.

Shadoweh · « **Reply #599 on:** December 12, 2013, 03:52:07 AM »

Quote from: BigBangMeteor on December 12, 2013, 03:38:20 AM

@Shadoweh- Correct me if I'm wrong, but your vote on me is literally "people voting me for me are scum due to VCA. Let's pick BBM". This might not be a completely faithful characterization because I was skimming but if there's anything else, summarize why I'm scum.

Sure, let's go with that. I clearly only based my results on the last Day 3 votecount because that is the only thing in that post where I vote you. You're an opportunist and the game just makes more sense if you're scum. There is literally no one except Prims who has a townread of you, yet you've managed to stay alive over a bunch of lurkers because we decided this was the game we'd make LAL our battlecry. (Naturally, because it is the freak game where the lurkiest people were somehow the townies.)

Quote from: Prims on December 12, 2013, 03:34:37 AM

orrrrr she could be bullying people voting her into moving their vote which has been the agenda behind all her responses to me. It's also not a snipe when I'm SPECIFICALLY RESPONDING TO A POST ADDRESSED TO ME. Geez.

Yes. How is it scummy that I'm trying to talk you, the person I've said is my pick for not-scum on the wagon, into not voting me? I looked in my drawer this morning and there was a note, it said "DEAR SHADOWEH HERE ARE SOME COOL SHADES, NOW REMEMBER YOU CAN ACTUALLY PLAY MAFIA BUT YOU HAVE TO BE A HUGE JERK"