Feelings on everyone non-confirmed after a quick run of isos. PREPARE FOR WORDS.
Shadoweh - Covers Dan D1 by saying his metaread is fine.Spends a good deal of the rest of D1 being drunbk and targeting Serela only to jump on the Sky wagon.
She seemed quite eager to convince Rai 'I'm on your side!' in D2. Rai rejected this claim quite fervently and ended up dead the next night. Hmm.
Shadoweh's entire Day 3 is very emotional. That's not a good thing. I really don't like the instantaneous claim at the start of Day 3 because coming out as vanilla under no pressure gives scum a better chance to find power roles.
@479:
I am going to regret this but Serela since you're confirmed town, do you have any particular reason for thinking I'm not good beyond lynch all lurkers, the strategy that has yielded such results as PX and bofh? There is prooooobably a scum paying attention just saying. You're confirmed town, try having an opinion of your own and making people follow it.
I dislike this argument for several reasons.
1) As I said before Lynch all Lurkers is a policy that, if not followed, basically gives scum the right to sit around and do nothing all day. Rather than pushing, say, another case, you just say 'it didn't work these times it won't work on me I promise'.
2) There's a decent bit of negging thrown in here with the last sentence, with Shadoweh basically connecting 'you're a bad player' with 'you're voting for me' in spite of the fact a good deal of the town seems to find this case perfectly reasonable. Why in particular is Serela's opinion worse than anyone else's? It feels like you're trying to push away the confirmed townie and hope inertia does the rest rather than, y'know, actually pushing an alternate case.
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Polaris:The distancing from the PX wagon
here is as uncomfortable now as it was then. He also has the same issue in D2 as I have with Shadoweh's D3 - namely a lot of unnecessary and unhelpful vitriol aimed in Serela's direction. Why does everybody yell at Doctor-chan so much ;_;
The particulars of his role have me playing mindgames with myself. Utena is, well, the namesake of the show, so I want to believe that she wouldn't be used as a scum alias, but that could easily be what Kilga wants me to think so it's WIFOM. Also rolecop is a role that can easily belong on either side so it's not a very secure claim...which again makes me wonder why he came out with it early.
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BBM:Something about BBM just feels...off to me, but I can't really word it. A lot of it probably comes from stuff like 530:
whatever both the suspicions on me are basically gutreads at this point if Dan isn't going to explain why he can empathize with BT and not with me.
This line is one of the things that feels weird. There's just his general attitude of 'whatever you can't prove anything', which seems like an extreme way to respond to points that he claims are just gutreads.
There's also a vague OMGUS feel from his latest suspicions. Before he really didn't have anything bad to say about Dan, then D3 after Dan accuses him he suddenly finds reasons to suspect Dan and put him in the firing line. The timing of this is a bit unnerving.
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Dan:OK so your explanation of your behaviour just served to get me even more confused. So you wanted to pretend to be a cop until the real cop showed up...and then what? You've been caught with what was effectively a fakeclaim and I have no idea what purpose this serves.
His play is still as sketchy as I mentioned before and now he's going off on BBM for extremely vague reasons. His reasoning is pretty much mathematical but doesn't make any sense. See 516:
but the short is I am convinced of 3 scum in
Polaris/SB/BBM/Prims/Shadoweh.
assume no more than 1 scum in Prims/Shadoweh.
2 in Polaris/SB/BBM and Polaris doesn't seem like scum to be anymore.
And SB I am unsure of but he needs to be reread reanalyzed etc.
Can you give any good reasoning for any of these suspicions? Why Prims/Shadoweh has to contain exactly 1 scum, why Polaris looks fine, and in particular why do you target BBM ahead of SB who also falls into 'likely scum' as per your reasoning?
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On that note,
SB:
The only thing that concerned me thinking back on SB was his stance on Dan but it seems reasonable enough after a lookover. That said, regarding his Dan theory, I don't think it's as clear cut as that - for example, Dan could have just wanted to stay hidden and chosen not to use his power for that purpose. Still agree it's scummy on Dan's part though.
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Prims:Generally I felt pretty good about Prims but his behaviour today has been quite strange. Softclaim that isn't really a claim, and a bizarre push on SB that doesn't make sense.
485:
SB's push on Shadoweh isn't strong enough to not be distancing. In fact all of his pushes are unmemorable votes on hipster targets that he doesn't actually do much about and you could make a case for him being scum on that alone.
WHAT PRIMS ACTUALLY DID DAY 2:
409 (After SB brings up the Shadoweh case):
I forgot that Shadoweh was playing this game.
413:
Re-read Shadoweh and would definitely support that lynch. Don't like how her D2 suspicions are written like questions (and arbitrary, how is what Rou did scummy and not angry town? I half-expect town!Shadoweh would've instantly concluded it was the latter tbh). Don't like the passive-aggressive threat to Serela which isn't supplemented by an actual read on him.
So SB bringing up the case on Shadoweh wasn't strong enough to be scummy, and yet you were totally inclined to agree with it.
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BT:The main thing I can see against BT is his relentless pushing on Raikaria through D1 and D2, but D2 seems like some generally townie play all around. He asks a lot of questions and seems to try getting out as much information as possible. Frankly I am really not seeing a lot to hold against BT overall other than the part near the end of D2 where he sort of seems to give up. Generally a pretty decent town read.
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So to conclude here is a general ordering list of lynch preferences:
Shadoweh/Dan
Polly/BBM
Prims
BT and SB are decent townreads to me at this point.
