Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Night 3 (Student Council Thread)

[Shadoweh]

I already claimed Dan, learn to read.
It sure is scummy of me to claim now ahead of time instead of allowing myself room to pull bullshit. I am such a criminal genius.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Yes it is. Not even being sarcastic.

You could've just breadcrumbed if you wanted to prove you weren't pulling last minute bullshit. Helping scum narrow down the investigative roles isn't townie.

[ActionDan]

I don't think it's that bad to be frank. 

still more interested in lynching that BBM guy, who's scum

[Shadoweh]

Don't be an idiot. I don't believe in honesty being the best policy, but I'm pretty sure I'd be pushed to claim today regardless. I'd rather it be informed now then waiting. Besides, I'm not the one who claimed to be roleblocked.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

My claim wasn't when the cop was unclaimed and I can afford to out it because there's no way I'm dying tonight over the other claims.

Dan, why is BBM scummy? Haven't had much of an issue with him all game and kinda think he's town on gut.

[Serela]

even if shadoweh is scum I don't think her claiming vt early is all that scummy (that's more of a bad play argument then a scummy play argument if anything)

[ActionDan]

I bet I could case him if I tried.

but the short is I am convinced of 3 scum in

Polaris/SB/BBM/Prims/Shadoweh.

assume no more than 1 scum in Prims/Shadoweh.

2 in Polaris/SB/BBM and Polaris doesn't seem like scum to be anymore.

And SB I am unsure of but he needs to be reread reanalyzed etc.

[Polaris]

According to Kilga, I will be informed of what the actual ##Command is called when I check a command that's close, so if you want to confirm my role or something, then don't give me your actual command name and I'll see if I can pick up on what the real one is.

[Polaris]

##Unvote
##Vote BBM

because gut and sheeping Dan. For some reason I feel conflicted on Shadoweh.

[Serela]

No work tomorrow so I'll reread BBM then, it's midnight here so thoughts=not at 100%

[BigBangMeteor]

BBM: I didn't care about lynching you D2. My lynch priorities changed, you shot up to #3 in my list so I thought I'd make a mention.

This is BS even with Bofh getting cleared and PX getting lynched. I would still be #3 after those two if you found my way of pushing at you suspicious, as the other people who flipped (Serela and Raikaria) were either in a similar "don't-care" position or were a townread, to you. And even if other people dying/getting cleared put me up on the list, if you didn't like me based on things that happened yesterday, you could have said it yesterday, especially considering that I asked you so many times to out all your suspicions. If you didn't like how I did something, you had no excuse not to out it yesterday, at all, when it's an answer to a question I asked you at least twice.

Shadoweh's  reason for arguing she's town to Prims isn't actually a defence of anything she's done so much as arguing that Prims's scumpicks don't make sense with each other. The logic is wrong anyways since all I remember SB doing is attacking Rou. If he said anything about Shadoweh, he didn't push it very much. Also she still has no suspicions on the day; despite being one of the more active posters so far today, her content consists entirely of just pointing out that people like Raikaria and Serela got targeted, in her first post.

##Vote: Shadoweh

@Dan- Half your vote comes down to "one of BBM's reads was wrong" and considering you say that BT is town despite having also been wrong, this is a bad vote. Even discounting that having wrong reads isn't scummy in itself, why is BT town despite having wrong reads when I'm scum for having wrong reads?

[BigBangMeteor]

Also, it being exam time might preclude me from being able to spam, but I don't think I've been that forgettable. >_>

[Serela]

You have no idea how much I forget on a day to day basis in my life. :C

[ActionDan]

Because I have been able to emphasize with BT but not with you

[Serela]

empathize? They are similar words but mean very different things

[Polaris]

I ctrl+f'd BBM's posts with "all" and "suspicion" and looked over the posts in general and I didn't see anything explicitly asking me to give more suspicions. If you were heavily implying it then I'm sorry, I must be too dense to pick up on it??

Although, I thought it was pretty obvious that I didn't like BBM's case. So if there was someone who didn't notice then I might not be the only dense one around.

[Polaris]

all I remember SB doing is attacking Rou. If he said anything about Shadoweh, he didn't push it very much.

I agree with what SB said about Shadoweh in that last post.

some of these things you just can't make up

[ActionDan]

srry serela you are right, I am exhibiting my mild dyslexia.

[SB]

##Vote: Shadoweh

Pretty much everything I said yesterday, plus her empty opening post today with numberspec, a preemptive claim and OH MY GOD X DIED doesn't count as a cotnribution either. Her defense against Serela is pretty much "I'm not scum because I'm lurking" but I don't think she ever looked at my initial case in detail which is . She also cares more about who her buddies would be rathrer than fighting the lynch, it seems.

No time for anything else right now.

[Shadoweh]

yeah, I still haven't had time to reread, deathly threats etc, but this has at least been helpful in feeling out people. I'm not defending what I've done, I think it's been kind of awful. And it wouldn't take much isoin to find SB voting for me. :|

like that thing right above me, see?

[BigBangMeteor]

some of these things you just can't make up

yeah I forgot one post he made about her, whatever. Or maybe he made more, apparently? idk I'm very tired it's almost 4am. fuck vector calculus

I went through my own posts and it seems like I didn't actually explicitly word asking you for more/all your suspicions, although I did say several times that you were just parking bofh and not looking at other people. sigh.

It really wasn't obvious at all that you didn't like my vote against you, seeing as I did push you explicitly on whether or not you found Serela scummy, and you said that you "didn't care" about him and then said the same thing about me so yeah. Considering my vote on you was not particularly different from Prims's or Serela's, what makes my vote scummier than their's?

whatever both the suspicions on me are basically gutreads at this point if Dan isn't going to explain why he can empathize with BT and not with me.

[BigBangMeteor]

SO

Going through SB's iso, he did vote for Shadoweh, in his last post of the day, and had one or two posts before that as well attacking her. So I guess that is something.

Going through Dan's ISO... I really don't like it. His ED1 is mostly just asking people a lot of questions, except he never really goes anywhere with those questions at all, or uses them to put pressure on anyone. His entire D1 and D2 consists of attacking NNR and Bofh, and mostly parking the two as well, especially on D2. He started off D2 saying this:

if that's a public cop with I assume it is, it would have been 10 times better used on bofh/NNR(Polaris).   

which I don't really like. There's no reason for him to pretend to not being the Announcer. If he didn't want to claim it at that point, he could have just not said anything about it. Instead he made it out to be a Public Cop when he knew explicitly that it wasn't. Feels like an attempt to get towncred.

He never gave a reason for the Sky townread, at all, which I really dislike. If you're town and a townread of your's is getting lynched, you should be actively trying to stop the lynch by presenting reasons for why they're town or defending them. Just stating a few times that you think they're town isn't going to make anyone change their mind if you don't say why. It feels like a purposely half-hearted defence so that the mislynch would still occur but he'd avoid tying himself to the wagon. His Serela townread was somewhat similar- all he said was "meta" except the person attacking Serela, me, hasn't played all that many games here. So I'm not familiar enough with Serela's meta to be able to say definitively whether or not he's town or scum. And then he's also using that as a reason for why I'm scummy, which is dumb because having wrong reads isn't scummy. And actually thinking about it, I'm not even sure what "being able to empathize with BT" means, seeing as he was attacking Raikaria for a long time, and Dan also had Raikaria as a townread (also with no reasons behind it).

Still waiting to see if Shadoweh produces anything worthwhile. If she does I'll probably switch to Dan.

[ActionDan]

Well yes BBM, I am town.  So getting towncred would be a plus.  Also that 'towncred' disappears after I claim or after the cop claims. 

[Kilgamayan]

Stealing Your Sibling's Cell Phone Like a Boss Vote Count

bofh (0): Polaris
ActionDan (1): Roukan
Shadoweh (3): Prims, Polaris, BigBangMeteor, Serious Bananas
Polaris (1): Serela
BigBangMeteor (2): ActionDan, Polaris

Not voting (3): Shadoweh, BT, bofh

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. You have about 54.5 hours to vote.

[Serela]

ActionDan (1): NekoNekoRex
Raikaria (3): Prims, PX, Sky Paladin
PX (1): Zakeri
NekoNekoRex (3): BT, ActionDan, Serela, (prims/roukan had voted here previously and prims voteswitched back at day-end)
Sky Paladin (5): BigBangMeteor, Shadoweh, Raikaria, bofh, Roukan

removed italic votes from this near-end-d1 votecount (before more consolidations onto skypal happened more, 8 to lynch d1) CF7's vote on Zak is removed because it was a rvs jokevote iirc. NNR becomes Polly starting d2. Rou is colored blue because he's probably town but I'm not going to push it all the way. Scum lying to save bofh from being autolynched would be hilarious but from what we know town probably has a cop? Also I think Rou is a strong townread before all the claiming stuff happened. I'm really tempted to color Prims teal too, but I'll stop myself.

BigBangMeteor (0): Roukan
bofh (2): Polaris, ActionDan
Raikaria (1): BT, PX
Serela (0): BigBangMeteor
PX (4): Raikaria, Roukan, Shadoweh, Prims
Polaris (3): Serela, BigBangMeteor, BT
Roukan (0): Serious Bananas
Shadoweh (1): Serious Bananas

Edited the near-end-d2 votecount slightly to reflect Prims wagonswinging things towards PX here. It's followed by polly wagon dying for PX's wagon after the claim. Didn't remove italics because they weren't mostly ED1 shenanigans this time and didn't hugely bloat the count like D1's would have been.

ActionDan (1): Roukan (this will likely get moved when rou posts again? AD being scum isn't out of the question but I also think it's fairly unlikely, w/e we'll see)
Shadoweh (3): Prims, Polaris, BigBangMeteor, Serious Bananas
Polaris (1): Serela
BigBangMeteor (2): ActionDan, Polaris

Not voting (3): Shadoweh, BT, bofh

GOING TO FOLLOW THIS POST WITH A SUPER BIASED COLORED VERSION

[BT]

http://www.diffen.com/difference/Empathy_vs_Sympathy

idk I think empathy fits but it could be me being retarded

##Vote Shadoweh

I'm just gonna add some things:

Hmm. Serela's last effort post shows a strange level of apathy. I supose I feel better about him for not trying so hard to make up nonsense. I don't think im in a position to judge but my alcohgol induced brain says he is legit. since when has Captain Morgan ever lied to me?

I didn't have a read on Serela, threatening him is how I get one. I actually still don't have one though, I keep reading his posts and they're like ?_?

First quote is in line with Shadoweh normally being able to read Serela in some way. Second quote seemed weird to me the first time because of what I just said, then I remembered the first quote and um Shadoweh did you try to handwave Serela here so hard you forgot you'd read him already?

Of note is her ability to 'not get' wagons (NNR & Rai on D1, Polly on D2) which is a lovely way to actually say nothing about said wagons. I'm also wondering what would have happened if PX hadn't been there on D2 because that's the least enthusiastic "questioning" I've ever seen. I still subscribe to the theory that she was just trying to hide a really weak vote-turned-park by making it part of a bigger thing which she had no real intention of doing. (probing the Rai wagon or whatever else sounds townie) Today we get an overblown "I'm sorry for doubting you Rou" which is great since she didn't go anywhere with THAT suspicion either. In fact she opens the day saying Rou, me and Prims didn't get killed and this happened BEFORE that so hi there slip how do you do?

I was going to say "Polly can stick around" originally but I've been thinking about it - the role implies there are roles that show up a couple times in the game because he gets to count how many of them were activated, but so far we've had 'amazing' things such as vengeful spirit and announcer and it feels like this game isn't the kind of game you would put this role in. Aside from maybe RB (Dormio + scum RB if Prims is telling the truth) it's not likely to get a non-binary answer and that means a scum rolecop can fully cover everything for it. Or I'm complicating things and scum just didn't think the implications through and thought it was a cool fakeclaim. EITHER WAY you get the point. It's actually pretty sketchy that Kilga would allow it to get the exact command so the "actually scum rolecop" theory just gets better and better.

why is my role utterly useless

So it can be easy to fake.

If people want him to stick around to interact with other roles... meh, I feel like we've been there already. Hey Dan why did your read disappear?

Speaking of which, Dan, what happened to this?

and I guess I'll consider that BT case when I have the patience to read it

And what did you mean by this?

Oh and rou I didn't submit anything in case Polaris used his ability to try and find any other action.

I've tried reading all three of BBM, SB and Prims and didn't get that much out of it. There has to be at least one scum in here (or it's Dan which would be equally weird) so... sigh. I'll try again later. Cut by votals thanks Serela I wanted to do that.

[Serela]

ActionDan (1): NekoNekoRex
Raikaria (3): Prims, PX, Sky Paladin
PX (1): Zakeri
NekoNekoRex (3): BT, ActionDan, Serela, (prims/roukan had voted here previously and prims voteswitched back at day-end)
Sky Paladin (5): BigBangMeteor, Shadoweh, Raikaria, bofh, Roukan

BigBangMeteor (0): Roukan
bofh (2): Polaris, ActionDan
Raikaria (1): BT, PX
Serela (0): BigBangMeteor
PX (4): Raikaria, Roukan, Shadoweh, Prims
Polaris (3): Serela, BigBangMeteor, BT
Roukan (0): Serious Bananas
Shadoweh (1): Serious Bananas

ActionDan (1): Roukan (this will likely get moved when rou posts again? AD being scum isn't out of the question but I also think it's fairly unlikely, w/e we'll see)
Shadoweh (3): Prims, Polaris, BigBangMeteor, Serious Bananas
Polaris (1): Serela
BigBangMeteor (2): ActionDan, Polaris

Not voting (3): Shadoweh, BT, bofh

Polly/Shadoweh and BBM or SB. Huh. That seems about right. Votecounts would learn towards SB being the third scum if this is really the case. Votecounts support Polly/Shadoweh scum.

[BT]

Saying bofh is confirmed and Rou isn't makes no logical sense. Rou may as well be confirmed right now. bofh is pretty much confirmed too assuming Rou being 'sane' means he ignores stuff like Dormio's block. And Dormio is dead anyway.

[Serela]

My statements there might sound a little presumptous. I might not feel about them quite as strongly as it sounds? You could add "minor" as a prefix to some of those. That being said, it literally doesn't change much, other then that BBM could still totally be a final scum (assuming polly/shadoweh even -are- the first two), but I'll have to trust everyone to get that right later since I'll be gone for once.

Also yeah I messed up the coloring on the non-biased one slightly, you're right >>

[Serela]

other then that BBM could still totally be a final scum (assuming polly/shadoweh even -are- the first two), but I'll have to trust everyone to get that right later since I'll be gone for once.

Why am I even saying this when I don't remember much about BBM's play this game and haven't reread it? I might have a townread on him for goodness sake.

I'm pretty bad at remembering to do things in the right order, sometimes.