Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Night 3 (Student Council Thread)

[BT]

Yeah I'm just going to finish pages 7-9 later before Sky isn't relevant anymore.

I'm not seeing the same things I thought were off about earlygame scum!Sky from last game -  his opinions have never struck me as -unreasonable- here. I thought his initial vote was a-okay, then kind of shied away from it when he started clinging to it but came around again when I realized it's probably townie that he's not withdrawing at all. His vote reasons are kind of silly but that doesn't really say much about his alignment and I feel like it's being taken advantage of. I could be wrong giving it a pass like this but his posts just don't read fake like last time.

It's also probably because Rai is giving me serious Rewrite vibes all of a sudden. Like I said I haven't read all of the posts yet but from what I have it smelled like he was just attacking all that was reasonable to attack without trying to differentiate silly/scummy which is EXACTLY what I caught him doing in that game. I want to say he became hyper-wordy in part because he started getting heat on him, since even when you consider he was busy for the first half of D1 he still felt really different in comparison. (this is sort of :gut: and not my main argument here so whatever)

I'm also very much 'really?' at his post on NNR. "I don't get BT's case but it's okay I probably just don't get it". It's really unclear why 'he sees where I'm coming from' when he clearly states that he DIDN'T agree with the case. Like um what? Comes off as him lazily giving me town righteousness points while lazily adding NNR to the 'I can lynch this' bin. Serela's "sheeping" is miles better than this awkward obfuscated stance.

He can feel free to respond to this with stuff I haven't read yet because honestly I just want to get-this-out-there and hear Serela/Dan because apparently they think he's town.

[Sky_Paladin]

Yes, but, it's not as strong as my feeling for Rou. 

BBM was the first person to totally misrepresent me in this post.

Maybe I am just not communicating effectively?  I feel like BBM is a respected player though, so for him to totally miss the point of my argument a couple of times was surprising.  He reposted basically the same thing three times despite criticising NNR. 

Basically my argument against Rou is because I feel like he unnecessarily pursued Dan.  He made a good opening post and then blew it by over representing his case.  Then when he argued against me with Raikaria, they both made very similar arguments that 'I was not playing the game properly' and that I was somehow lame for playing to a team win condition instead of a solo condition.  They both continued to say I was defending Dan using weak implication argument and straw man argument style, without strong direct points.  It felt slimy so I stuck with my feeling.  I feel like Raikaria targeted me because he was worried about getting lynched. 

In the previous game I got Raikaria lynched over me when he was town and I was scum.  So it's only fair he gets me lynched this game when I am town and he is scum. 

Anyway, I'm pretty confident about Rou.  I'm so-so confident about Raikaria, although, Raikaria has made valid scumslips under the Shrinemaiden meta scum detector so I am surprised nobody is really looking at him now. 

I'm not too confident about my pick on BBM but seeing as I'm probably dead I just wanted to get it out there so if I was right I could say I told you so.  Certainly I don't recommend lynching BBM tomorrow when I flip green.  Just keep an eye on him. 

But I'd appreciate it if you'd off Rou tomorrow. 

[FinnKaenbyou]

Ugh I have a lot to catch up with deadline incoming and kind of don't want to. What are the wagons like?

Six votes on Paladin, three on NNR. Eight to lynch, really running out of options.

tl;dr:
-Paladin has been tunneling on me pretty much since day 1 and he's pretty much nonsensical regarding his reasons.
-NNR made a questionable vote on ActionDan earlier in the day but has since requested a replacement.

[Sky_Paladin]

HEY ROU

Is there some reason you conspiciously left out the wagon on Raikaria?

He is on three votes too!

[BigBangMeteor]

Sky's scumreads are basically just pointing out the people who find him scummy. The only person for whom he has any additional reasons for suspicion is Rou, except those are shit.

Serela, if you think he's more derptown than scum, why do you want to lynch him? Other than just "so that mafia don't get an extra kill". Because the last post implies you wouldn't mind lynching him even if there was an alternate wagon, say on Raikaria (purposely not NNR since he's your top scumpick and all).

cut by Sky actually giving reasons, but they still boil down to "misrepresenting me" even though every single person in the thread, even those who think he's more likely to be town than scum, agree with me at least on the fact that his argument that the Dan read has nothing to do with his Rou suspicion is bad logic.

[Raikaria]

Ugh I have a lot to catch up with deadline incoming and kind of don't want to. What are the wagons like?

Same as the votecount higher on this page except Serela swapped to Sky; putting Sky at L-2.

[FinnKaenbyou]

HEY ROU

Is there some reason you conspiciously left out the wagon on Raikaria?

He is on three votes too!

Has anybody actually made an accusation against Raikaria in the last eight hours or so? The lack of discussion about him sort of implies that his case lost all steam.

[BigBangMeteor]

Also, nobody is saying that "playing to a team wincon" is scummy. The point is that if you're town, you being mislynched doesn't make all your reads correct. Your death, if you're town, doesn't suddenly mean that Rou and Raikaria are obvious scum. And I can't believe that you wouldn't know this after several games, which is why this line of argument feels like WIFOM to me.

[BT]

HEY ROU

Is there some reason you conspiciously left out the wagon on Raikaria?

He is on three votes too!

I missed this too.

##Unvote
##Vote Raikaria

Making it relevant.

[Raikaria]

I left that post in my browser far too long.

Has anybody actually made an accusation against Raikaria in the last eight hours or so? The lack of discussion about him sort of implies that his case lost all steam.

Most of those votes have been there all game. PX's since RVS.

[ActionDan]

This is like 85% chance to be a town lynch tho.

It's pretty clear that there is scum in the inactive pile since there silence has forced this lynch.  I think Prims would have been more active by this point, so he's someone to watch.   Shadoweh is alright but I don't think she has anyone else in mind for the scums besides sky paladin. 

I don't know what's going on with the rest of them but I'll bet on scum bofh and scum Neko anyday.

[vote for sky would go here but]

let me look over raikaria again

[FinnKaenbyou]

BT do you actually expect to bring about a Raikaria lynch in the next hour :|

[Kilgamayan]

Less than 20 minutes to go!

[BT]

BT do you actually expect to bring about a Raikaria lynch in the next hour :|

No but voting him now and making this sort of a double-wagon thing over the NNR one that lost steam for obvious reasons is like the best way to get more information on that front. Plus it's totally where my priorities lie.

[ActionDan]

you mean 20 min,

also Rai is probtown after looking over it for like 20 sec or at least looking town enough to me that I'd rather lynch a VT

#Unvote
##Vote SkyPaladin

[ActionDan]

the one good thing from this lynch is that I will enjoy everyone eat crow

[FinnKaenbyou]

THAT'S EVEN WORSE

OK the gist of the Raikaria case if you want it is that he made a bizarre sort-of-misrep vote on me then when called out on it he took it back and didn't try to pursue anything else. But I don't think we have time to consider that option at this point unless five people magically jump ship.

OK let's do this. Paladin if you flip town I swear to god

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

I would rather lynch NNR and save the mod the trouble of finding a replacement. I especially don't believe SkyPal would fakeclaim VT after coming up with a crazy fakeclaim to get pressure off him last game (which worked).

But I can hammer if necessary.

Haven't fully parsed Raikaria's recent posts because they are huge and a lot to swallow 20 minutes to deadline.

[BT]

<_< Yeah fine I guess we can look at it tomorrow and I even get more time to let things sink in.

I'm here to hammer obviously but I don't think that'll be a problem.

[Raikaria]

I must say; the lack of activity from some of the other people has been worrying; I agree with you completely there Actiondan.

No but voting him now and making this sort of a double-wagon thing over the NNR one that lost steam for obvious reasons is like the best way to get more information on that front. Plus it's totally where my priorities lie.

Except you're not actually achieving anything, and you admit it. I thought you were not one for silly actions like this BT.

Although I am admittedly a little confuzzled about why Rou chose to omit me as a wagon; but I can also see why [Sky's vote on me has no water. PX's is RVS and Prims has been there forever and is inactive. They're 3 parked votes.]. Regardless; this is hardly the time to be chasing Rou for information; especially by voting me. That's something we can chase up tomorrow.

CHO CHO I'M 6 TRAINS.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

##Unvote
##Vote: NNR if there's still hope for this.

[Serela]

So cool how people start seriously talking about other wagons JUST AS DEADLINE MAKES IT TOO LATE

I am here and ready to vote for NNR if we can though because cut by nnr vote?

[Raikaria]

We have 13 minuites. Probobly 12 by the time this is posted.

[SB]

we're probably lynching scum paladin, if I need to vote I'll do it in a few minutes.

I don't mind lynching Raikaria but Sky's refusal to contribute in a way that we can understand how he can't understand how we don't get scumslips from his site without explaining them at all is scummy as fuck. I don't think a VT claim changes anything since he could just be panicking and might not have enough time to come up with a decent fake.

I don't remember NNR at all so I'd prefer other wagons considering he only had one post people found scummy iirc?

Can we get votals?

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Dan why is your vote on Skypal and not Neko?

[Serela]

The "Edible Has Been Fired For Complacency" Votecount
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Shadoweh (0): Serela
Serela (0): Shadoweh, Prims, PX, Zakeri
Prims (0): Serela, PX
ActionDan (1): PX, Roukan, Prims, NekoNekoRex
BT (0): PX
Raikaria (4): PX, Prims, PX, Sky Paladin, Roukan, BT
PX (1): Prims, BigBangMeteor, Serela, BT, Zakeri
Zakeri (1): CF7, NekoNekoRex
Roukins (0): Sky Paladin, Raikaria
NekoNekoRex (3): BT, Serela, Roukan, Prims, Roukan
Sky Paladin (6): BigBangMeteor, Shadoweh, Raikaria, bofh, Roukan, Serela, Actiondan

uh I tried to do this really hasty-like so I screwed up parts of it

Not voting (0): Nobody!

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

There are just over 3 hours remaining in the day.

My internet at work went down ;_; - Edible

[Serela]

lol I sure did screw up parts of it huh

[BT]

Should be L-1.

I don't get why what I did was silly, like, at all but okay.

If I thought there was hope for the NNR I probably wouldn't have unvoted.

Hammer?

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

ugh actually NNR is at 2 votes, and we'd need 8. So this probably isn't possible.

[Kilgamayan]

About 6 minutes to go!