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« Reply #450 on: December 26, 2013, 12:49:02 AM »
Zed x Syndra seemed like a good idea but we got outpoked early on in a match... out of maybe 5.


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« Reply #451 on: December 26, 2013, 05:35:18 AM »
Someone buy Reindeer Kog'maw

I just got Silent Night Sona, I want to sing Deck The Halls in lane

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« Reply #452 on: December 26, 2013, 06:55:14 AM »
Someone buy Reindeer Kog'maw

I just got Silent Night Sona, I want to sing Deck The Halls in lane

BUT YOU'RE MUTE

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« Reply #453 on: December 26, 2013, 07:07:44 PM »
Yo it's got Silent in the skin title so it's still valid.

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« Reply #454 on: December 26, 2013, 09:01:24 PM »
Yo it's got Silent in the skin title so it's still valid.

how did i never notice this

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« Reply #455 on: December 26, 2013, 09:03:32 PM »
You know Showdown is showing me just how bad I am at 1v1 laneing.

Of course; 1v1 laneing is actually a very small part of League; and League is not a 1v1 game. 1v1 laneing is even less important to me than most since I main Jungle first and Support second.

That and I don't really play most of the champions who are early lane bullies; and thus suited to this mode. And those I do play I don't play in that fashion. As I frequently say; when I play Renekton I'll go 0/2/0 in lane; but have so much CS and end the game something like 4/4/15.


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« Reply #456 on: December 26, 2013, 10:58:04 PM »
so i broke a rule about rp spending but on the other hand I now have winter wonder lulu and it was christmas giftcard money so yeah

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« Reply #457 on: December 26, 2013, 11:05:20 PM »
Winter Wonder Lulu is amazing why would you NOT want it

Shit that means I have two Christmas-y themed skins and I'm so not festive ever

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« Reply #458 on: December 27, 2013, 12:32:11 AM »
ffs someone buy me silent night sona I want her so bad but I'm still unemployed ;_;

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« Reply #459 on: December 27, 2013, 07:39:16 AM »
Winter Wonder Lulu is amazing why would you NOT want it

Shit that means I have two Christmas-y themed skins and I'm so not festive ever

BAH HUMBUG

because i didn't have lulu :v

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« Reply #460 on: December 27, 2013, 10:08:06 AM »
This is for Triangles.

Sorry to say I found someone else for mystery skin, so I won't be needing another. Maybe we can do one for lunar revel.

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« Reply #461 on: December 27, 2013, 05:05:23 PM »
how did i never notice this
I thought that was the joke all along...?

because i didn't have lulu :v
You broke a rule to correct a mistake this is acceptable.  Welcome to the bestest character and adorable skin club my friend :3

This is for Triangles.

Sorry to say I found someone else for mystery skin, so I won't be needing another. Maybe we can do one for lunar revel.
No worries, I was rarely on the past few weeks so I expected to have missed you :V

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« Reply #462 on: December 28, 2013, 10:43:07 AM »
so tell me why shyvana's stupid powerful right now

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« Reply #463 on: December 28, 2013, 10:53:40 AM »
yeah it's like she was never that useful unless played by someone who mains her and now it's like anyone can 1v1 jax with her


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« Reply #464 on: December 28, 2013, 11:34:47 AM »
You broke a rule to correct a mistake this is acceptable.  Welcome to the bestest character and adorable skin club my friend :3

She is pretty fun (and the skins rad). My ability to league is missing forever though.

Playing her and then going to dota was a mistake though (good thing i was drow and didn't really need that mana).

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« Reply #465 on: December 28, 2013, 08:54:41 PM »
so tell me why shyvana's stupid powerful right now

ryuu pls

she gets a lot of good free damage with her w and q. her new e is also pretty good, but she just never shone through in s3 due to the dominant picks at the time. also her ult change a while ago was super super good. she also gets a decent amount of free stats from her passive and she works really well with the new defense tree. also her new e gives her a sort of akali-mark lane bully effect. previously, the armor shred was kind of whatever because she could only get a q off with it maybe and burnout was magic damage. now she only needs to get one auto off to chunk off a bit of extra health. also being able to harass through minions is really good. she can also hold her own against the popular top laners very well.

essentially people finally noticed that shyvana was really good and then s4 was basically a massive buff to her overall.

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« Reply #466 on: December 28, 2013, 10:34:25 PM »
no one was supposed to fall for that

you know who you are and I'm super mad at you also grateful >:( :)

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« Reply #467 on: December 29, 2013, 03:18:26 AM »
Also, I still have some spare christmas money. Anyone want MYSTERY SKIN TRADES~

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« Reply #468 on: December 29, 2013, 10:15:38 AM »
she gets a lot of good free damage with her w and q. her new e is also pretty good, but she just never shone through in s3 due to the dominant picks at the time. also her ult change a while ago was super super good. she also gets a decent amount of free stats from her passive and she works really well with the new defense tree. also her new e gives her a sort of akali-mark lane bully effect. previously, the armor shred was kind of whatever because she could only get a q off with it maybe and burnout was magic damage. now she only needs to get one auto off to chunk off a bit of extra health. also being able to harass through minions is really good. she can also hold her own against the popular top laners very well.

essentially people finally noticed that shyvana was really good and then s4 was basically a massive buff to her overall.

Basically this. Her base damage is too high; she gets massive amounts of free armor and the new defense tree is 2 gud. [Also why Mundo is broken. All the healing boosts and % healing on that tree on MUNDO. Perseverance is effectively like 300 HP/5 on that guy lategame.]

On another topic; I actually won lane as Renekton in a ranked game. What I USUALLY do is go like 0/2 but keep up in CS and then go like 4/4/20.

Winning lane as Renekton translated into me getting Triple Kills with relative ease. One teamfight in particular I started by zoning Veigar and forceing him to go around the baron//mid brush and wall the long way [We were fighting in that corner of the jungle by blue buff] and then I jumped back in to get them off our AD; noticed I was absolutely destroying Corki; and got a triple kill.

Turns out Hydra+BC+LW Renekton DOES A LOT OF DAMAGE. [I also had Sunfire and Spirit Visage]


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« Reply #469 on: December 30, 2013, 02:55:01 AM »
Against shyvanna I think you guys should get MR.
Also go rumble without flash. Take Ex Ign.

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« Reply #470 on: December 30, 2013, 05:22:37 AM »
Freakin' A Rengar is a stupid champ. I'm starting to understand why Bjergson says that he has 0 counterplay after 6. Unavoidable long range gap closer from stealth, no skill shots, and both assassination potential and sustained damage thanks to his Q.

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« Reply #471 on: December 30, 2013, 09:27:07 AM »
Against shyvanna I think you guys should get MR.
Also go rumble without flash. Take Ex Ign.

On most damage charts I see for Shyvana it's about 50/50.

Also if you go flashless Rumble you die as soon as the enemy jungler pokes his head anywhere near.


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« Reply #472 on: December 30, 2013, 09:48:23 AM »
On most damage charts I see for Shyvana it's about 50/50.

Also if you go flashless Rumble you die as soon as the enemy jungler pokes his head anywhere near.

itt a stuck-in-gold-v euw player tries to tell a diamond-every-season-formerly-rank-1-in-NA player how to play

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« Reply #473 on: December 30, 2013, 11:21:27 AM »
itt a stuck-in-gold-v euw player tries to tell a diamond-every-season-formerly-rank-1-in-NA player how to play

Well Rumble has no escape and without flash he just dies as soon as he gets ganked. That's common sense. Especially against someone like Vi or Elise who has hard C.C. Sure it may do good against Shyvana 1v1 but as soon as you are ganked; or Exhaust is down for that matter; you lose. Even then; without Flash you have 0 kill potential once Shyvana is Lv 6; since when you Exhaust her she'll just Dragon Form away. [And without Exhaust you lose the 1v1]

I am highly skeptical of that matchup; or at least taking Exhaust in it. Rumble can certainly win; especially with some assistance from a gank with Double Harpoons to slow Shyvana down; but I don't think Exhaust is the right way; especially when the most popular junglers right now will sit on your face all day if you do not have Flash on a champion with no escape. You will die literally every time that Vi has her Ultimate. Unless you can explain how a flashless Rumble survives a Lv 6 Shyvana + Vi Ult.

And it's worse with an Elise who can Rappel-Cocoon and doesn't need 6.

I'd agree about 'stuck in Gold V' but 1: I don't see being at the rank that reflects my skill as an insult; 2: Ability with the game =/= knowledge of the game someone can know what is going on but not be able to implement it [Book smarts] and someone can be good by instinct but not really know the inner workings. That's why some players don't make calls despite being good. 3: I don't make much serious attempt to play ranked.

And damage charts is just an observation.


On a totally unrelated note; this is what happens when I have a decent botlane with Lulu:



I kinda 1v1'ed their Zed at one point; chasing him halfway across the map to kill him with a Glitterlance Trickshot. The Zed's reaction was priceless.

Also I never considered how potent a combination Ashe/Lulu is. Glitterlance = EZ Arrow. Glitterlance + Frost Shots = Yeah you're not escaping. Arrow + Whimsy = STUNNED FOREVER.

Also I have no clue why I am seeing so many Fioras recently. Although as soon as I saw the loading screen I said to my bro [The Jungle Yorick] 'Fiora beats Tryndamere help Tryndamere'. She beat Tryndamere in lane and got fed and my brother didn't really help him dismissing 'Feedora'. Que me joking about how it was 'Fedora' instead.

Not that it mattered much since I made her a squirrel and we killed her. [Didn't stop her getting a Quadra Kill when Tryndamere spun off during a fight and decided to solo Baron instead of fighting.]

Also it took like 10 games against them but I finally lost to a Yasuo.

Although the Yasuo was 2/12/9 in a 41 min game; so it was certainly not his doing. Still of the opinion Yasuo is a worthless champion because I am yet to see a single Yasuo not feed, and the winrate I have observed for Yasuo is like; 10%.
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« Reply #474 on: December 30, 2013, 12:02:20 PM »
My overall opinion is that he's "okay". He's not that spectacular but there are times when he's good, but he's not that bad either. I've seen plenty of terrible Yasuos, but I've seen some good ones too. I have a friend that plays Yasuo quite a lot, and I play with him/spectate his games frequently and his Yasuo contributes a lot. He's high-plat so he's not THAT good, he just knows how to use him correctly. He thinks Yasuo is super good, but I think otherwise.

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« Reply #475 on: December 30, 2013, 10:26:31 PM »
I'd agree about 'stuck in Gold V' but 1: I don't see being at the rank that reflects my skill as an insult; 2: Ability with the game =/= knowledge of the game someone can know what is going on but not be able to implement it [Book smarts] and someone can be good by instinct but not really know the inner workings. That's why some players don't make calls despite being good. 3: I don't make much serious attempt to play ranked.

well idk about you, but i personally don't try to tell my betters how to play esp when they've been doing it for a long time with great success and hit rank 1 doing it because if they're doing something considered "bad" and get that high doing it, they obviously know something i don't.

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« Reply #476 on: December 30, 2013, 10:56:29 PM »
But you forget I am a stubborn; bull-headed idiot who's also asking for more information in his own special way. I play Rumble myself; and I don't understand how that matchup works in Rumble's favor without flash to escape ganks from the likes of Elise and Vi. I can certainly see Shyvana losing 1v1 exchanges with Exhaust/Ignite; especially since a lot of her damage is reliant on AA's. The main issues I see is when Exhaust is down; and when the jungler comes. As a jungler and Rumble player I can say from my experience that Flashless Rumbles are easy gank victims most of the time.

And considering Eym mainly played Mid Rumble if I recall I doubt he hit Rank 1 playing Exhaust Flash-less Rumble vs the current state of Shyvana.
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« Reply #477 on: December 30, 2013, 11:41:13 PM »
I actually usually play top, not mid.
I play both positions effectively lucky enough for me though.

I'm totally up for people suggesting changes in gameplay or asking why i do what I do and I suggest you ask 'why' to everything always forever.
I for one always can debate flash as not being good on rumble, katarina, wukong and most other champs that need no flash and the only answer back to me ends up being "See you in LCS" but I'm in the military so I can't -be- in the LCS.

The reason I don't take flash on him period is that his kit has a large slow, a ghostlike boost as well as a barrier.
This is technically two summoners that escape (although weaker) in a -short- cooldown.
The 40% slow that goes up to 95% about is icing on the cake.
On top of that at level 6 and on (You mentioning six) opens up for your ultimate to allow you to get a double kill 'easily' if you play it right.

 650 (+ 150% AP) + 292.5 (+ 150% AP) on the  Q and R alone (yes with full duration, but you can knock  few hundred down if you insist).
20 + (5 ? level) (+ 25% AP) on your auto attacks if you play it right giving at least one before you die.
70 about from each aa.
87.5  (+ 50% AP) for each harpoon (You will hit about 1 or maybe none but I generally hit one on each).


995 HP on shyvanna.
875 HP on Elise.
930 HP + 62 (+50% AP) via shield on Rumble.

Assume the style you play in will have shyvanna at about 3/4 hp so 750 or so HP will show that even flat damage without the large amounts of ap bonus you can get will allow you to actually kill her while you get attacked.
Stick in exhaust forcing shyvanna to effectively not be there for a few seconds as well as stuck in your ult and on top of that it will force her to stay on your ult.

Now you may say she jumped on you after you ulted and then I'll counteract and say she shouldn't be that close to hit you while not using dragon form at that stage of the game.



Also even if she -is- 50/50 damage, the majority of her 'real' damage in laning phase should and will be from burnout and during ganks or if she uses it like an idiot from her ult.
On top of that, if we bias this game on elise being the jungler you should be having magic resist anyway.


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Now for the actual 'why' are you okay being camped and eventually (probably) getting killed.

I'll start off with saying, "Where is my jungler then?". I mean, if they have elise coming top 9 times, why can't my lee sin be going to dragon, mid (which is an on the way easy gank to accomplish) and bottom (which has vastly more impact than ganking top).
You being camped means they are busy all the way top giving your jungle time to be busy with free dragons, bot lane and counter jungling.

"If you get ganked a lot then you will lose 1v1!"
Not quite, you have many options.
One is sitting back and farming under tower to regain footing.
Another is to roam (not very far) and just ult mid from long range (or bot if you are mid).

Or you can just kill your enemy by using the exhaust/ignite combo still, forcing them to sit in your ult or making them flash/ult out.
If they ult out, you are doing it wrong and wasted ex/ign. You should be hitting them with (2) harpoons and -then- ulting them. Not Busting out exhaust and expecting shyv to not just get out with a short cd spell.
the 'right way' to do it will make them flash out of your ex/ign/ult combo. If that happens it's totally fine.
Why?
Your cooldowns on ex/ign are -dramatically- shorter than flash.
If you make them back or burn flash good. You'll just do it again when they have flash at halfway cool down and kill them then. This also applies to me using ex/ign on katarina to pin them in my ultimate.

Then add in the fact that they are still having trouble top against you they will beg for more ganks. Exhaust doesn't scale down negatively and ignite makes people panic often so it's considered a threat.
This will go back to my first point about forcing the enemy jungle to go all the way top allowing your bot lane to be gank free potentially and having your jungler free to roam easier.

The last part is even if you are 0/999 you will still have a HUGE aoe slow, a strong as hell rylai (or not if you don't take it for w/e reason) 90% slow on harpoons and of course the 3 second aoe slow with 6 second cooldown flamespitter.
Add on top of that the fact you can exhaust someone like shyvanna who is chasing your adc (and of course aoe slowing literally every enemy easily) and you have someone who in fact.

Wants to be camped.
Doesn't need items besides -maybe- rylais.
Is a threat 0/999 so is always viable in a fight.
Generally wins 1v1 in lane phase or at least denies the enemy of cs dramatically if played right even if camped.

My way is NOT about being 11/0/5.
My way is about shutting down not only my lane enemy but forcing the enemy jungle to waste a large amount of time.
A good game is 9/9/9. A stomp is 11/0/5.
I call it being "Hyper Aggressive".


EDIT)) Sorry if the post is long, feel free to ask for more detail in whatever you want. I love to talk about stuff that interests me like 'meta strats' or whatever.

EDIT2)) Also I should add that if someone jumps a wall against Rumble you can hit them very easily with flamespitter, harpoon and of course your ultimate.
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3g9oYttpF4 for an example overall. Go to 13:05-14:10
« Last Edit: December 31, 2013, 02:38:20 AM by EyeMtheStron9est »

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« Reply #478 on: December 31, 2013, 07:54:06 AM »
I tried Rumble against Shyvana. The biggest problems I had were related to sustain and pushing. How do you deal with that? Also, I've been using a combination of the stuff from Zakkers guide and what you say, though I know that those are two different Rumble styles. With how you play, do you play passive until lvl 3/4 like in Zakkers guide, or does having exhaust and ignite enable earlier aggression.

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« Reply #479 on: December 31, 2013, 08:47:33 AM »
My way is NOT about being 11/0/5.
My way is about shutting down not only my lane enemy but forcing the enemy jungle to waste a large amount of time.
A good game is 9/9/9. A stomp is 11/0/5.
I call it being "Hyper Aggressive".

Oh I know it's not about the K/D/A. I'm a support/jungle main. I play Initiators. The amount of times I have to say to people being dumb and trying to pin the loss on a support who is 0/4; while ignoring the 20 is too high. I never play Rumble expecting a great K/D/A; because you are a rather low-mobility short-range damage dealer.

I didn't think of it from the perspective of reliving jungle pressure. Although I'd argue Rumble isn't very effective without durability in a teamfight and that he needs more than just RCS. He might not need completed second items; but he probobly needs at least an Armguard + Negatron from my experiences. [Which turn into Abyssal and Hourglass]

That said when I play Rumble I always end up having to be the primary tank because people use any excuse to go damage carry jungler.

Also I don't think assuming an Elise/Vi jungler is that much of a stretch these days. [Although if I was jungleing against a Rumble toplane with a Shyv toplane I'd probobly choose Maokai but that's just me]
« Last Edit: December 31, 2013, 08:52:10 AM by Raikaria »


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