League of Legends Thread XIII: http://www.twitch.tv/saltyteemo

[Cadmas]

I just ban nasus whenever I'm 1st pick. I still don't get why my other team captains don't. Nasus is in literary every game.

Even without the lifesteal runes his sustain is still stupid. I'd almost kill him duels but then he would just go to hitting the minions and be full health in no time at all.

If I run a sustain farm lane with the likes of cho'gath, warwick, or shen and never die and keep up in farm. I still lose because of his stacks.

[Widermelonz]

I've had plenty of games as the dog where I'd get facerolled in lane, but we'd win anyways because all I have to do is just ghost+dive backline everytime.

Also, croc top with dog jungle is super mean but so so much fun.

[Cadmas]

WCG stream so laggy coming out of China.

[Raikaria]

OK; let's get some Mystery Skins!

> Wildfire Zyra

> Hates Wildfire Zyra
> Has Haunted Zyra

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

> Bandit Sivir
> Wants the new Sivir Skin

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

At least they were for champions I play.

> Demolisher Nunu

I'm actually OK with this.

[triangles]

I put in a ticket asking if they'd remove Alistar and Poppy from my account since I absolutely hate them but got them as a turbo newbie and all I do it reroll them in ARAM and risk getting ~mystery skinned~ with them and they did.   Hahahaha I didn't think it'd actually work!

So with that I roll the ~mystery skin~ machine and got me Mafia Miss Fortune hell yeah best skin for the ADC (bot lane at least, don't worry Quinn ilu top lane) I'm digging the most at the moment  :V

[Raikaria]

Meanwhile I get Bilgewater Swain [Have Tyrant] and Royal Guard Fiora [Have Headmistress] and Big Bad Warwick [Warwick sucks]

[Schezo]

Thank you Lollipoppy for punishing me with a Noxus Poppy mystery gift after I have already bought you.  On the other hand I got Infernal susaN so that makes up for it. :toot:

[Ryuu]

man i want angry cerberus susan and i don't even play top

[hyorinryu]

I just found out that Infernal Nasus does the Snoop Dog thing. I kinda want it now.

[Suikama]

[Raikaria]

I just found out that Infernal Nasus does the Snoop Dog thing. I kinda want it now.

Man you guys are slow. I've known about it almost as long as the skin's been on the PBE...

And even then how long as it been live now?

[hyorinryu]

Man you guys are slow. I've known about it almost as long as the skin's been on the PBE...

And even then how long as it been live now?

I never really looked at it. "Badass" don't interest me. I've never seen people do it on live.

[Raikaria]

I never really looked at it. "Badass" don't interest me. I've never seen people do it on live.

But I think it even had a picture of it in the announcement post :/

Meh; I get it. But I'm the sort of guy who looks at all the new skins. [Which is ironic because I have a rather small amount for someone who's been playing almost 2 years now]

[EyeMtheStron9est]

>Not looking up every dance and emoticon for people you don't care about.
>Not watching a show that you think looks bad to see if they make references in it.
>Not playing games you don't like for the easter egg in it.

[Raikaria]

>Not looking up every dance and emoticon for people you don't care about.
>Not watching a show that you think looks bad to see if they make references in it.
>Not playing games you don't like for the easter egg in it.

I'm someone who looks for references so I look at new skins and stuff. I also play a LOT of champions.

Edit: Fiddle fear getting nerfed.
Rammus taunt getting nered.
Janna below a 50% winrate
Lulu somehow below 45% despite the fact I think she got straight buffed. [That said Lulu is one of the hardest champions in the game to play well due to her skills effects on different targets and things like Glitterlance Trickshots]
No Annie nerfs despite the fact she is clearly pushing around 'traditional supports' and Riot said they would be 'aggressive' if this was the case.

Highest weekly ranked winrates according to LolKing:

Sivir - 57.58% [Has PBE nerfs]
Rammus - 56.62% [Has PBE nerfs]
Taric - 56.01% [Has PBE nerfs]
Amumu - 55.52%
Ziggs - 54.56%
Leona - 53.51%; and picked a buttload
Wukong - 53.35%
Fiddlesticks - 53.07% [PBE nerfs]
Teemo - 53.06%
Sejuani - 52.82%

Don't like all those 53%+ winrates...

Lowest:

Urgot - 42.83% [Riot says he's getting reworked at some point]
Alistar - 44.24%  [Riot has also mentioned recently a possible Cow rework]
Lulu - 44.68% [I still do not understand]
Vayne - 44.82% with 23% pickrate :V
Garen - 44.93%
Zed - 44.95%
LeBlanc - 45.49%
Veigar - 45.77%
Ryze - 45.83%
Lissandra - 45.88%

So; besides Lulu, Vayne and Garen; the usual suspects down here. The champions who either got over-nerfed due to being toxic [Ali jungle; Urgot; Ryze to a lesser degree]; and ones who are hard to play. [Lissandra; Zed]

That said I welcome upcoming Lulu buffs with open arms.

[Ryuu]

lulu has a low winrate right now because while she's good, the "viable" supports are amazing

taric and leona in particular shit all over lulu. annie and fiddle also give her hard lanes.

imo annie nerfs shouldn't be considered right yet. her primary role at mid is still at an average spot, and her being a good support is really just a symptom of all the traditional supports getting nerfed so hard over and over and over. if annie still remains as a super great pick after the traditional supports settle in, then they should consider nerfing her. probably her base AD and her E cd

[Raikaria]

taric and leona in particular shit all over lulu. annie and fiddle also give her hard lanes.

Disagree with Taric. A good Lulu should never be in range of Dazzle; and if the AD is Dazzled Glitterlance and Whimsy ensures no follow-up. If anything Lulu should have a favorable matchup against Taric.

[Sahgren]

I think Lulu is there with Zed in that she's harder to play well than expected. Knowing when it's better to shield damage than harass and speed up an ally than polymorph an opponent takes a lot of situational awareness and game experience that most people don't have. She's freakin' awesome at anti-assassination and peeling, but there are better options for everything else.

[Raikaria]

I think Lulu is there with Zed in that she's harder to play well than expected. Knowing when it's better to shield damage than harass and speed up an ally than polymorph an opponent takes a lot of situational awareness and game experience that most people don't have. She's freakin' awesome at anti-assassination and peeling, but there are better options for everything else.

She's also the best support for following up or assiting an initiator. Someone dives in; and you give them Wild Growth. She beats Leona and Sona in this regard because her C.C is a knockup; not a stun which is reduced by Tenacity. You get the initiator in range with your E as well, and you can Glitterlance for an 80% slow after the Wild Growth as well.

Me and my usual gang affectionately also call Lulu 'Lulu - Saver of butts' because she is hands down the best support to do that; except *maybe* Janna. Lulu can get people out of situations any other champion wouldn't.

Of course; I consider myself a pretty good Lulu player. Kinda had her as my main/2nd main support since release. I'm modest about my ability with most champions; but I'll claim I'm a pretty damn good Lulu; Zyra; Maokai or Sejuani player.

[Ryuu]

Disagree with Taric. A good Lulu should never be in range of Dazzle; and if the AD is Dazzled Glitterlance and Whimsy ensures no follow-up. If anything Lulu should have a favorable matchup against Taric.

except taric's power currently is so overwhelming, that all a lulu-based lane can do is just walk away from him. he might not be able to dazzle, but he still gets his lane free cs because of the massive threat he generates

that and if he DOES get a dazzle off on lulu, she's basically dead.

[Joveus Molai]

Hello everyone, I dipped my toes into LoL...almost a year ago now? and recently thanks to Husky's vids LoL has caught my interests again.

Are there any good guides you'd recommend for new players? I have theoretical knowledge of some of the basics (last hitting, the difference between Tanks, Support, ADC, APC, and Junglers and what they do, etc.) but that's pretty much it. Is there a good, safe place where I can learn? Please keep in mind that I've basically never played a MOBA before.

[hyorinryu]

If you don't know a champ, Solomid has good guides. We advise against going to Mobafire. I don't know about lolpro, but I heard decent things about them.

Feel free to add any of us. There's a list at the start of the thread. I think a fair amount on the list don't play LoL anymore though, or don't post about it at least.

[Ryuu]

also a lot of the guides are outdated now because the very recent season 4 changes

[Esifex]

It'll be tempting to spam bot games (Co-op vs. AI) but remember that while the bots can provide a challenge, it's mostly through their perfect timing and skill coordination, not their unpredictability or unorthodox tactics. Spend too long in botfights and you learn how to game their AI; learn standard routes they take through the jungle, exactly how much damage you'll be able to deal without forcing them from lane (setting up an all-in kill after your cooldowns are up, for example), and you'll think it's safe to easily bait without much risk.

None of those habits will help in a PvP match. You should really only use botfights to learn what your skills or items do, and what order you should focus on getting them in.

I learned the hard way that it's easy to win, but hard to learn in botfights. I've been summoner lvl 30 since before Season 3 started, but I've only just recently hit 100 pvp wins, because I never learned to think like opposing players, and thus was never confident in matches. Confidence goes a good way towards winning a lane, and in turn, matches.

[Joveus Molai]

Speaking of winning lanes, I have a question on lanes:

The usual assignment of champions to lanes in Summoner's Rift seems to be: ADC + Support bottom, with Tank/APC on top or mid, and Jungler, well, in the Jungle.

Is there a reason why ADC + Support usually aren't on top or middle instead? Is it because of top lane's proximity to Baron, or some other factor? Why is the ADC + Support pair usually assigned to bottom lane?

Also: what's a good hero for learning the game? I have an eye towards Ashe, but are there any others?

[Sahgren]

Is there a reason why ADC + Support usually aren't on top or middle instead? Is it because of top lane's proximity to Baron, or some other factor? Why is the ADC + Support pair usually assigned to bottom lane?

Also: what's a good hero for learning the game? I have an eye towards Ashe, but are there any others?

It's largely for Dragon control. Dragon spawns a good 10 minutes earlier than Baron and gives a pretty large amount of gold to the entire team. Having more people down there definitely helps. You don't throw the two people in mid (outside of a coordinated team strat) since mid is the shortest lane, and thus the safest to have someone fragile alone in.

I also believe that Garen and Annie are both fairly good for learning the game with.

[hyorinryu]

Speaking of winning lanes, I have a question on lanes:

The usual assignment of champions to lanes in Summoner's Rift seems to be: ADC + Support bottom, with Tank/APC on top or mid, and Jungler, well, in the Jungle.

Is there a reason why ADC + Support usually aren't on top or middle instead? Is it because of top lane's proximity to Baron, or some other factor? Why is the ADC + Support pair usually assigned to bottom lane?

Also: what's a good hero for learning the game? I have an eye towards Ashe, but are there any others?

Bot lane is closer to dragon, which is a lot easier to kill than baron. If you force the opposing to bot lane to leave, you can easily take it and be back in lane before anything important happens. Baron requires a bit more effort.

As for good heroes, Ashe is good. Just about all the 450s are, except for Poppy. In particular, I suggest Annie, Garen, and Tristana. The last one you can get for free by liking their facebook.
I would also suggest Sona, Janna, and Tryndamere. Though they're a tad more expensive.

[Ryuu]

mages(or other bursty champions like assassins) go mid in part of the reasons already stated, and also because it gives them access to both lanes. champions that go mid usually have both hard cc and high burst(or a lot of one or the other), so they're great champions to go and gank a side lane. being mid gives them access to both lanes, giving them more opportunities to have a larger impact on the game.

[gammaraptor]

Recently managed to hit Gold V. Taric is seriously outrageous though, I'm 7/1 with him and I still haven't lost after the rework. With a frozen heart and spirit visage you're so strong that no one can kill you without getting slaughtered by your allies. Even if they try, your clutch heals with 0/30/0 masteries and the second wind /sv, you heal for so much.
 

[Mr. Sacchi]

Let's not forget that mid laners scale primarily out of levels and not out of items (Though they also scale with items, obviously enough) and since mid is the shortest lane, it gets its minions faster, hence, faster exp, faster levels, faster power gain.