Defence of the Ancients 2: Dreams go in, salt comes out. You can't explain that.

[Raikaria]

Also dosen't this mean RIP Tree and Techies from AD? They get a new button for use with their Ag's Ults right?

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Techies already had 6 skills though. :derp:

[PX]

DOTA IS DEAD

[yuyukos]

Also dosen't this mean RIP Tree and Techies from AD? They get a new button for use with their Ag's Ults right?

Yeah, no more OP tree with 85 base damage.

[Pesco]

Cancer is not as terminal anymore ;_;

[Bardiche]

Ogre Magi
Base HP regeneration increased from 0.25 to 2.5

That escalated quickly.

[Dular]

Ogre Magi basically got buffs early game and got nerfs late game.

This makes me sad, as a person who does disgusting things with Ogre.

[yuyukos]

Cyka losing silence on Bloodrage is a pretty big thing too, quite disappointed to see that.

[Prody]

Axe just gets better each update~

[PX]

But we?re pretty sure we won?t be able to make enough progress on the larger update if we put it down to work on Diretide ? so we?ve decided that we?re not going to ship a Diretide event this year.

༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ=ε/̵͇̿̿/?̿?̿ ̿ ̿̿ ̿ Give DIRETIDE

[Raikaria]

Techies already had 6 skills though. :derp:

I wrote Techies instead of Timber.

[Bardiche]

So when is this slated to hit?

Also, damn, doesn't this mean Laguna Blade no longer works with Ethereal and Veil of Discord when you have Aghanim?

[ActionDan]

lina keeps getting buffed.

good shit.

[Bardiche]

lina keeps getting buffed.

good shit.

Sort of, tested it and she can no longer benefit from magic damage amplification when she has Aghanim.

Treant Ult is now awesome.

[helvetica]

Sort of, tested it and she can no longer benefit from magic damage amplification when she has Aghanim.

Yeah I considered that a straight nerf tbh. Yeah it's pure damage, but eblade/veil no longer works on her :[.

Although I guess it brings up a good tactical point. If you're a poor support, going for aghs is probably a better choice unless you really think you can afford the buildup to eblade and benefit from it, and with eblade no longer putting you ethereal except on self/ally cast, it makes even less sense to get as a support. Being able to deal a huge amount of damage to that enemy carry under BKB or potentially kill a dangerous but flimsy teamfighter like Enigma or CM is a valuable skill to have. I mean, with aghs essentially anyone under 950 health is dead, period. Plus with the gold change she can get much more farm now from the kills she's going to net, making her a much more viable position 4/5 low farm support.

Honestly eblade only makes sense if you're playing carry Lina and have other INT items to abuse like hex/etc. Orchid damage amp should still help since it applies the +30% at the end instead of lowering magic resistance. Veils I tend to get on her anyways since it's a great support item period and it's a great item for her to boost her nukes + any other nukes the team might have. If you end up solo mid generally the time to get a veils is a lot quicker than carries would get BKB up, letting you get a LOT of easy kills. I tend to even get it before force staff/blink since it amplifies your combo so much before enemy health pools start getting outrageous.

If you're a support Lina, after arcanes, veil isn't that much of a reach and while she's an OK mek carrier, you'd probably want one of your cores to get it since they can get it a lot sooner. And even if you have to delay it to get other items like force/blink/etc, it's not like a veil loses its effectiveness over time. If anything having a veils is probably a necessity now with magic resistance being stackable now.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

At what point in the game can you even afford an aghs+eblade on Lina, barring stomps where it doesn't even matter?
That's 10k gold not going towards boots, wards, blink, cyclone, hex, whatever else you want on Lina that's infinitely more useful.

[helvetica]

Well yeah, I never said it ever made sense to go eblade on a support Lina now, it just makes LESS sense now. Generally if I'm playing core Lina eblade is my 4-5th item when I need the survivability and I need to scale my nuke up. At this point I've already got mek + hex/orchid/euls + veil.

Example game
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/758298286

I mean, I'm getting the ghost scepter anyways regardless (I can't think of any reason never to have one on her), I don't finish it to eblade until after I've gotten other far more valuable items. But it's a great item on her since she has a solid INT growth and it combos insanely well with her nukes (landing LSA on an ethereal target is so easy). I've never "rushed" it (unless the game is so wildly out of control and I'm just goofing around) (ok going through my match history I have, and I justly lost those games), makes no sense, but as a next step item after a big core item.

[Amraphenson]

It might be a potential damage output nerf but the situation in which it's a nerf was so out there to begin with that it doesn't really affect 99.999% of us.

[helvetica]

:V I'm trying to keep the dream alive ok :[

[Helepolis]

Yeah, no more OP tree with 85 base damage.

Bah, arc lightning + fiery soul + God's strength was funny AD combo on him D:

I have no idea what to think of Ogre changes.

[Bardiche]

It might be a potential damage output nerf but the situation in which it's a nerf was so out there to begin with that it doesn't really affect 99.999% of us.

Skywrath Mage boosts magic damage, Pugna boosts magic damage...

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

The point is why does Lina have an aghs at a point where things like decrep can still be relevant on important targets as a source of damage amplification.

[Bardiche]

The point is why does Lina have an aghs at a point where things like decrep can still be relevant on important targets as a source of damage amplification.

Precisely this. It's not just buying E-Blade, it's all sources that amplify magic damage no longer function with Aghanim Sceptre Lina. From the patch notes, they said:

There have been a few abilities rebalanced with these mechanics in mind. In some cases the intent is to maintain similar balance, in other cases as an adjustment to their balance.

But in Lina's case, it's a nerf in most cases. Pure damage benefits from ignoring magic resistances, so it's useful against Anti-Mage and the like, but most of the time you're stuck in a conundrum between benefiting from allies and items or piercing magic resistance. That isn't the case currently but will be the case next update, and it sucks.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

If you have aghanims you're probably going for BKB targets as a priority which is why I say magic amp like decrep won't help since it's dispelled by BKB.
And what I meant by the prior statement was that there is no way that you should have the aghs before enemy cores have managed to farm up their BKBs.

[Zerviscos]

Patch 6.82 Highlights

Welp. Time to let the new patch hype die down for a while.

Edit: It'll take a while for people to get used to the new patch. Might as well go practice on bot or something for a while, and feel the new hero changes and map.

Edit2: Srz, new Riki, is Akali. Only much OP'ier.

[Bardiche]

Edit: It'll take a while for people to get used to the new patch. Might as well go practice on bot or something for a while, and feel the new hero changes and map.

There's a path by the Dire bot T1 that lets you just walk past it. :B

[Raikaria]

You know something I missed because I cannot play the hero to save my life?

Chen can take Ancient creeps with Ag's now.

And his ultimate fully heals them.

And he can have 3 with max rank R.

Yeeeah.

[Amraphenson]

the most important thing is that you can get the thunderlizard and buff your carry, but otherwise the ancients don't really do a lot of damage at all.

[Raikaria]

They're still a big beefcake to tank towers [2k+ HP] and a lot stronger lategame than normal creeps.

[Amraphenson]

In a situation where Chen has aghs, I think needing a beefcake to tank towers is a non-issue. The ancients are also godawful slow, and you can't do any force staff trick initiates with them like you can with the centaur or troll.