Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 5 LYLO)

[BigBangMeteor]

I'm sorry that I generally have classes until 5-6, physiotherapy twice a week, and spend more than 2.5 hours commuting back and forth? My phone also sucks so posting more than two or three lines at once is really annoying, and reading a post longer than two paragraphs is even moreso.

I need to reread NNR but that Schezo opinion in his last post was pretty worthless, and had bad logic. Just because you thought that Schezo and Raikaria were both scum and one of them flipped town, it doesn't mean that the other needs to be town as well, especially because IIRC your Schezo/Raikaria buddy theory was based on individual scumreads rather than a linked one (might be wrong though)

I didn't really think Paper was that bad earlier, but he totally overreacted to the accusation that he's tunneling on Dormio. Yeah, maybe he has some stuff on CF7, but even he should be able to see that he's pushed that a lot less than the Dormio case. Suddenly taking that to "you're misrepping my actions so you can ignore them" is pretty bad, especially as a good chunk of the game has expressed this opinion (more people than can be scum, I'm pretty sure).

Also I need to go over Dormio's posts again. The ones with content are so long that I've lost all desire to read them carefully.

[CF7]

You, uh, do realize that what you linked to D2 right?

Actually, after some thinking, it doesn't help your case one bit. Raikaria is dead and flipped town, so you switched to me, as the next most interesting case. And there's some weird system of tunnels going on. So far FoS for you.

[BT]

BT, in the interest of moving things along.

How do you feel about Conqueror.

...As an update to the last point I HAVE been reviewing what happened yesterday some more and I think it was justified of town!him to think I was evil scum manipulator at the time. If he's scum I can't nail the reasons for it with enough certainty and would probably have to wait for scumflips for any serious suspicion.

Gonna read some other folks today, I think.

[BT]

EBWOP: as an update to the last post (where I said I suspected him but would focus on other things)

[BT]

Dormio what do you think about Zak's end-of-D1 posts?

NNR can you reply to this?
http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1022166.html#msg1022166

[BT]

##Vote: Dormio for end of day one reasons.

Um I just ISO'd you and I don't know what these are.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Dormio what do you think about Zak's end-of-D1 posts?

Not entirely sure, which is why I said this:

I would also like Zakeri's current opinion on CF7 a lot.

Also, it's 1:30AM and I think I'm going to go to sleep now.
I likely won't have time for a proper post until after classes tomorrow, which end at 5PM.
So I guess you get to wait until then for my next super wonderful post.

[BT]

Actually I think I've decided to gut Schezo as town instead. His weird prediction that Raikaria's wagon was scum driven guts town thoughts, along with general weirdness and paranoia.

His "prediction" was just because he was pushing me at the time. Wouldn't gut it as town before I consider it as an easy way of handwaving a wagon when his vote on me didn't turn out to be that strong at all when fact-checked.

I need to reread NNR but that Schezo opinion in his last post was pretty worthless, and had bad logic. Just because you thought that Schezo and Raikaria were both scum and one of them flipped town, it doesn't mean that the other needs to be town as well, especially because IIRC your Schezo/Raikaria buddy theory was based on individual scumreads rather than a linked one (might be wrong though)

As I'm reading his post right now, this isn't what he meant. He meant that because he himself was scumlinking people on D1 (Raikaria and Schezo) it suggests that Schezo doing it is town too. But it.. doesn't. It's null (if the suspicion is good and it wasn't even good). The fact that NNR did it changes nothing.

I dunno, I'd feel better if Schezo was town, but I feel weird trying to change my gut read like that.

Then why would you feel better? <_< This sentence sounds like you're almost forcing the read change. Your weak reason for doing so suggests as much.

SB and BBM are also forgettable in this game, much to my annoyance.

There is a big difference between SB and BBM , don't lump the two together.

No real change in opinion on Dummyo. Posts are still mostly long writeups or defending writeups, writeups continue to be inefficient and kind of worthless.

Go in-depth. (echoing Dormio)

[Shadoweh]

2.5: The Votecount Continues.. Who is God? Yeah!

Ubiquitous shouldn't be so darn catchy. Also why do people make anime youtube accounts to roleplay?

Serious Bananas (2): Conqueror, BigBangMeteor
CF7 (1): Dormio
BT (2): Bardiche, Schezo
Dormio (3): Paperblade, NekoNekoRex, Zakeri
Schezo (3): BT, CF7, Serious Bananas

Not voting: Serelas >8o

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
There are 35 hours remaining.
Day End Countdown

[CF7]

Going to sleep early today. Hope things will move to somewhere when i wake up.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Oh, before I go to classes for the day, I'm just going to tentatively switch my vote.
##Unvote
##Vote Serious Bananas

Don't like the Schezo wagon, and I'll post why I'm moving my vote to SB when I get back home.

[NekoNekoRex]

Am I not the only one who even talked about you so far.

Up to that point, I guess not, but I skimmed and thought I saw my name a bunch of times. Weird panic moment I guess.

His "prediction" was just because he was pushing me at the time. Wouldn't gut it as town before I consider it as an easy way of handwaving a wagon when his vote on me didn't turn out to be that strong at all when fact-checked.

That's probably why I felt queasy doing it. I thought it was a good idea but when I thought about it, that's not really true.

@Dormio: "Looked less interesting" isn't really a strong opinion.
Your last wall on Zak doesn't look conclusive either. From what I can tell his reactions "look town but might not be" which says nothing.
The walls themselves are pointlessly jumbo and just make me want to simply skip them (Which might be your plan). Why not just write  paragraph like everyone else and stick a definitive read (scum, town, null, leaning)? Is that so hard? Your posts are just hard to read, nd the amount of time you put between them makes the older ones worthless after a couple days.

[NekoNekoRex]

Having a confusing writeup every 12 hours is definitely a good way to look active and get away with not really playing, you know. Add this to the fact you can essentially say "Covered him, time to ignore for the next 3 days" means you can just tunnel whoever but say you still have reads on other people.

Why are you scum, Dormio?

[SB]

Hello i have spent the last 5 hours buried under homework and am completely exhausted mentally atm. If shit stays this bad I'm subbing out but I'd rather not if i can avoid it

Just gonna claim now so that people don't lynch me for weak/lack of content when I'm struggling to find time to generate new content

I'm Yukitero Amano, the Town Dependent Hider

Basically every night I hide behind yuno gasai compulsively, and almost all actions fail. I don't know yuno's allignment but I'm assuming that it's zak.

I asked conq if he was hider so that if he was i could cc him, but he wasn't so meh

I'm sleeping now, sorry =/
Will try and pump content out before phase end, if nothing else i can catch up in the night if I'm not dead

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

I'm in classes right now but...

@Dormio: "Looked less interesting" isn't really a strong opinion.
Your last wall on Zak doesn't look conclusive either. From what I can tell his reactions "look town but might not be" which says nothing.

What the literal fuck?
"I think CF7 is scum, but Raikaria is more likely to be scum."
"I think Zakeri is scum, but I find his claim to be genuine. I am awaiting further information about Zakeri due to a lack of clarity in regards to his opinion on CF7."
I believe that you need to work on your reading comprehension.

The walls themselves are pointlessly jumbo and just make me want to simply skip them (Which might be your plan). Why not just write  paragraph like everyone else and stick a definitive read (scum, town, null, leaning)? Is that so hard? Your posts are just hard to read, nd the amount of time you put between them makes the older ones worthless after a couple days.

And, again, what the literal fuck?
Why should I limit myself to a single paragraph when I have so much more to write?
Just because you're incapable of reading ~500 words, why should I have to ignore things that I want to discuss?

Also, will digest SB's claim when I get home, but immediate reaction is that it just makes me want that CF7/Zakeri lynch even more.

[BigBangMeteor]

##Unvote: SB since I guess he's confirmed town?

SB, if you hide behind Yuno Gasai, do all actions against you just fail, or do they get redirected to Yuno Gasai?

##Vote: Paperblade for now because that last reaction was pretty bad and Schezo has enough votes ftm.

[Bardiche]

>Replace in
>Post to dodge prods
Smooth, Bard. I've really lost the interest in Mafia I used to have.

Result of reading game: I gave up at page 10, too much chattering. As a result, I'm forging forward solely on Kilga's posts, advancing the great foundations he's laid.

tl;dr I think BT is scum because:

A) Kilga voted him.
B) This post says Conq is sort of scummy/suspicious, and then when I ask him about his Conq feelings he does a 180 after reviewing. While it's not outside of the realm of possibility I don't like it when townies adjust their views based on re-interpreting past events, rather than looking at present events (and letting them guide a re-interpretation).

Basically, unless Conq gave rise to BT to think of him as more Townie (and BT does critique him for an "easy" case), the 180 is weird. Especially since he's second after Schezo in suspicion. That's a HUGE drop in suspicion.

His SB case is also pretty underwhelming.

This is mentioned against Schezo which is kind of pointless? Since here BT says SB is equal to Conq and less than Schezo in suspicious, it feels like the above line is meant to underline that "SB is scummy but the case against him isn't good", which seems like BT wants SB more than anything?

SB why is Schezo scummier than SB and why is/was SB as scummy as Conq?

[Bardiche]

BT why is Schezo scummier** etc.

[Serela]

##Vote Paperblade

Overall participation in the game feels coasting-tier. Being lazy about vote justification because confirmed town, but after rereading him this is an actual scumread, and in comparison I'm waffling on the other people I'm considering as scum (lack of proper time to read the game and 18 page d1 don't help tho')

since SB just turned soft-confirmed town I'm hype on possibility of a paperblade wagon starting

[Conqueror]

Hmm, the claim checks out with SB's behavior around Zak's claim and his prodding for flavour?

If it's true then there are two mason-like groupings in this game which is what (assuming SB's claim at face value because hiding behind scum!Yuno and not dying...doesn't make sense. i guess the role isn't really a hider in the usual sense in that case)

Zak's behavior from the beginning of the game though combined with this...if the claim is false then SB and Zak were setting it up from the beginning which is unlikely imo.

Although SB could you explain what you meant by this

only thing is role things is making me waffle hard on zak right now (as in his combined with mine)

Since in context it looked like you were about to write Zak off as town but something in your role gave you pause and I'm not sure what in your claim would do that.

##Unvote
##Vote: Paperblade
I'm down with this wagon. Can't say I really know how he plays but I think the way he's parading his Dormio vote reeks of fake confidence.

Where did Schezo go?

[Shadoweh]

2.6: Me! Now? The Greatest Votecount!!!

"Kousaka was my favorite. ;w; He's just so...so interesting. XDD I knew he was always going to do something amusing when he appeared. And he actually said some sensible things to Yukki at the end. And his song is just ...just...BRILLIANT! >A<"

Serious Bananas (1): Dormio
BT (2): Bardiche, Schezo
Dormio (3): Paperblade, NekoNekoRex, Zakeri
Schezo (3): BT, CF7, Serious Bananas
Paperblade (3): BigBangMeteor, Serellea, Conqueror

Not voting: No one /o/

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
There are 23 hours remaining.
Day End Countdown

Schezo, Paperblade, Zakeri and Serela have been proded. Prod dodging is no defense!

[BT]

Bard you're thinking too hard.

I mentioned the line about Schezo's SB case for no underlying motive but the fact that I think it's underwhelming? Even if I wanted to consider it a point for town!SB he drops the vote pretty quickly and then says SB is inconclusive.

Also note that I haven't actually dropped Conq, I just think my main reason for suspecting him isn't as relevant anymore. I don't think what I said gives the impression that I dropped him either, just focusing on other things for today? It's not a 180 and you should stop representing it as one, especially because SB is 99% town now (yay) so I can push forward SB mislynch --> Schezo bus theories. ...So nothing solid pre-flips.

I think the yay answers your question on my position on SB too. I thought his content was bad but at the same time had some doubts that it's just a result of lurking.

I don't think there's much reason to doubt the claim, Zak probably isn't Yuno but another role and the Yuno role probably has some reason to keep Yuki alive as well. And anything but SK/ITP Yuno would be a disgrace to the setup but that's enough gaming out of me.

[BT]

oh ftr I don't reject this paperblade wagon on sight, I don't think his Dormio suspicion was bad but he probably still could have talked about other stuff? beyond just pointing out reads like scum CF7 and town BT (btw is he not going to update his CF7 read based on his play?)? BBM/SB can correct me if I'm wrong

[Schezo]

Here.

ahahahahaha I'm so fucking bad at this game.  Holy shit I really did not see this yesterday because I'm either blind or what.  I can see why everyone hates my comment about wanting to lynch CF7 for buggering off. 

What I want to know, is why you people have been reading me all day now, let me say shit like this:

Conq I find the not claiming thing to be scum because if you can just disappear and not claim at all I feel it makes people more hesitant to hammer over someone who actually claimed.  It just feels our meta is that way to me.
"Oh god he didn't claim hrrm err uhh what if he's a really good role" *hammers the other guy*

Don't see how CF7 NOT claiming makes him town. It can happen for either allignment where they leave before phase end, so I don't see it as indicative.

I already said I find this more akin to scum behavior more than anything.  So.

Although SB apparently isn't reading this game either so I mean like, fuck.
So I mean the biggest offender here is obviously BT.  I'm his number one pick for scum and I've been basically lying for all of today.  Hey.  There's no callout on this.  At all. The fuck?
This says to me he isn't reading my posts he's just trying to find shit to fling on me.  How do you build a huge case on someone and not call out such an obvious contradiction?  There's literally no explanation for this other than him not reading my posts.

This is literally the only thing you brought up against BBM to justify why you claim to have been scared shitless of BBM and SB right now.

Pretty sure "paranoia" doesn't come from huge conclusive cases.  It comes from oneliners that rub you the wrong way like this one did. 

Conq, I felt BT's case wasn't genuine on me at the time hence the vote.  I know it isn't now.
Comment on Dormio/SB is more personal reference in case one flips scum.

Missed this and it's kind of really bad.

This is the kind of diction I read into when I hear people's cases.  I would much rather you call me out for this instead of just swing around it like you're doing here.  Is it bad?  Then say so.  Don't do this kind passive aggressive swing.
This is literally how I chose my vote at the end of the day.  I don't get how you got I'm blaming you two for not being on the ml wagon from that.

I don't like Schezo defense at all. He says it's my case on him is just superbad, keeps insisting that i didn't claim my role at D1, when i did exactly that and other people noticed it and somehow he didn't.

Don't blame you.  I wish someone would have called me out on this a lot earlier.

His "prediction" was just because he was pushing me at the time

lolz

I don't see why people are autoclearing SB for that claim.  What makes it so town?

I'd be fine with a Paper lynch since there's just Dormio Durrmio "hey what the fuck I have stufff on CF7 too!" and that's about it.
But really.  I need everyone here to lynch BT.

[BT]

So I mean the biggest offender here is obviously BT.  I'm his number one pick for scum and I've been basically lying for all of today.  Hey.  There's no callout on this.  At all. The fuck?
This says to me he isn't reading my posts he's just trying to find shit to fling on me.  How do you build a huge case on someone and not call out such an obvious contradiction?  There's literally no explanation for this other than him not reading my posts.

Actually it says that I misinterpreted it as you basically saying "vt with nasty modifier and that's it is to vague to be a claim" and not giving a fuck about him not wanting to say more.
I have been reading your posts sorry to let you down.

[Conqueror]

I don't see why people are autoclearing SB for that claim.  What makes it so town?

SB claimed Yuki --> Zak claimed D1 his role says that Yuki is town --> SB can only be scum if Zak is --> I think Zak is townish (except he made one proddodge post today and disappeared, seriously >_>)

[BT]

Conq I find the not claiming thing to be scum because if you can just disappear and not claim at all I feel it makes people more hesitant to hammer over someone who actually claimed.  It just feels our meta is that way to me.
"Oh god he didn't claim hrrm err uhh what if he's a really good role" *hammers the other guy*

No wait this should have told me otherwise

>_> You can take me missing a single part of a post as evidence of "lol he's not reading!!" all you like but I mean it's not like the rest of the case came up from just me looking at stuff in your posts and going "let's point this out" because I actually could have pointed out more if I'd done that and I'm actually analyzing shit.

[Schezo]

I can't tell because I've said it twice today.  You aren't reading, keep your attitude.

Thanks Conq that makes sense now.

[BT]

Pretty sure "paranoia" doesn't come from huge conclusive cases.  It comes from oneliners that rub you the wrong way like this one did.

It doesn't have to come from huge conclusive cases (this isn't what I said) but there being no evidence lets you make up paranoia all you want

I mean you admit you were paranoid of BBM for no reason and I'm like "did you just notice this retroactively?"

[WHMZakeri]

Even my failsafe failed today.
Since the conversation has gone this direction, I will confirm that I'm Yuno Gasai.

What was your end of day one case on Dormio? I couldn't find it in an ISO of you

link to a post where Dormio responds to the point I brought up. I didn't push it any further than that because I was too busy being an idiot at the time.
My top three scumpicks at the end of Day 1 were Conqueror, Dormio, and CF7, but reading Conq's posts overnight convinced me that all of them were probably wrong. I put my vote on Dormio because of the three of them he still felt the most scummy to me, and also half because I wasn't sure how long it would take me to finish rereading.

at the time I'm writing this, I've caught up to just beyond Dormio's case on Raikaria, and I've reaffirmed that I don't like how inflated it is - the only points of the case are "Defending is bad, The way Rai is defending is bad, and that Rai is waffling on HW". The first two points are actually the same one, and i feel should read as null. I don't like how he defends the case against meta by saying "It's still scummy" because it sounds to me like thinly veiled Policy Vote.

I don't expect to actually get anywhere pushing the above point because it's a matter of how you're reading his intention. It's hard to explain why I feel it's scummy without its coming off as "He's scuml ergo..."

followup post soon, and nothing should get in the way this time since I actually have done most of the day one reread.