Author Topic: Touhou Accomplishment Thread 21: Time to go FULL SHMUP  (Read 173468 times)

Garlyle

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Re: Touhou Accomplishment Thread 21: Time to go FULL SHMUP
« Reply #810 on: May 12, 2014, 12:59:52 AM »
Made it up to Day 9 in Impossible Entirely Plausible Spell Card.  EDIT: Day 10

Or as it was called on my stream, "hella rude spell card"

19 different cards so far cleared without tools, including one of the Day 9 cards.  (Too bad you don't get auto credit for the unobtained items, so I've actually got some tools that have less clears than my total tool-less clears... oops)
« Last Edit: May 12, 2014, 01:34:24 AM by Garlyle »

Serela

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Re: Touhou Accomplishment Thread 21: Time to go FULL SHMUP
« Reply #811 on: May 12, 2014, 03:23:16 AM »
Yessss. Just completed my 44th (e:now 47th) no item stage clear in ISC. I feel very accomplished. There's some more stages I could get but they'd actually be difficult and take grinding out; just about all the ones I do have I should be able to get decently consistently, which is good for the next statement, being...

I should be able to get to Final Day from a fresh score.dat with no trouble without using any items, so I might do some silly speedruns of noitem% onstream sometime. Technically I don't have to clear anything on final day for that, but there's three cards that aren't too bad to noitem capture on day 10...
« Last Edit: May 12, 2014, 04:21:53 AM by Serela »
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Re: Touhou Accomplishment Thread 21: Time to go FULL SHMUP
« Reply #812 on: May 12, 2014, 08:06:52 AM »
This is probably common knowledge already, but here it is anyway.

5-3 safespot
Another easy no item clear-I think that brings me up to 22 without even being done with the stage yet.  Man, this game is so much fun, first, you get to cheat at the danmaku, then, you get to try to take on stuff that feels like a balanced ultra mode.

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Re: Touhou Accomplishment Thread 21: Time to go FULL SHMUP
« Reply #813 on: May 12, 2014, 08:50:05 AM »
I just finished clearing all the scenes. It was surprisingly simple for most, especially given the game's title. For the spells that didn't look doable in a reasonable amount of time without items, I usually used tanuki+doll or lantern+doll and tried to deal damage on top of the boss whenever I used the item. It worked up until a few stage 10 spells.

I'm also at 38 41 scenes green, if I counted correctly. (Normally I used secondary doll for that for the extra damage, but the camera's speed boost was very helpful in a few scenes like Aya/Hatate's camera spells.)

Also I scored 9,105,170 points in 10-2 by using tanuki+mallet and suiciding, which seems rather absurd. There's potential for lots of improvement though if you can stall out the rest of the timer without dying, to graze all the sets of lasers.
« Last Edit: May 12, 2014, 11:13:30 AM by Karisa »

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Re: Touhou Accomplishment Thread 21: Time to go FULL SHMUP
« Reply #814 on: May 12, 2014, 11:05:05 AM »
Grats to those who cleared.
I managed to bag them all myself just a while ago. 10-9 was a bit of a mood killer though, as well as 8-7.
12 hours in the span of 2 days I feel is a bit much time for me to be spending on a Touhou game, so I'll probably slow down on it again for a while.

I'd post a complete score.dat and replay folder, though my computer crashed a while after I and lost the dat and one of my replays. Won't be in a rush to grind everything again though.

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Re: Touhou Accomplishment Thread 21: Time to go FULL SHMUP
« Reply #815 on: May 12, 2014, 11:15:18 AM »
8-7 is easy if you use the doll to redirect the aimed knives... or were you trying to clear it without items?

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Re: Touhou Accomplishment Thread 21: Time to go FULL SHMUP
« Reply #816 on: May 12, 2014, 11:23:45 AM »
It took me quite a while to figue out using the doll. Wanted to try other items for score, until I gave in and went back to level it.

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Re: Touhou Accomplishment Thread 21: Time to go FULL SHMUP
« Reply #817 on: May 12, 2014, 11:54:01 AM »
Aaaaaand 10-9 Green clear.
I love Remilia too much to cheat that attack.

Re: Touhou Accomplishment Thread 21: Time to go FULL SHMUP
« Reply #818 on: May 12, 2014, 12:14:55 PM »
Finished day 4 no item yesterday.  Abused the pause button on 4-6 though because the luckshit of surviving 4 waves was a bit too much for me.  Also have day 5 done aside from 5-2 so far...

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Re: Touhou Accomplishment Thread 21: Time to go FULL SHMUP
« Reply #819 on: May 12, 2014, 12:19:38 PM »
Finished day 4 no item yesterday.  Abused the pause button on 4-6 though because the luckshit of surviving 4 waves was a bit too much for me.  Also have day 5 done aside from 5-2 so far...
I literally just managed 5-2 with a LOT of pause abuse...got everything else through 7-4 without having to pause, though one of Momiji's was waiting for about 30% odds 3 times a row, so that was a bit of a pain.

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Re: Touhou Accomplishment Thread 21: Time to go FULL SHMUP
« Reply #820 on: May 12, 2014, 02:23:33 PM »
Fully cleared most days. Day 10 and Day 7 are my big problems right now (and 5-5 for some reason). I'm sure I'll get them sooner or later. I'll work on no item clears eventually.
« Last Edit: May 12, 2014, 05:00:38 PM by Yatakarasu »

Normal Clears: EoSD, PCB, IN, PoFV, MoF, SA, UFO, TD, DDC
Hard Clears: PoFV, SA, TD, DDC
Extra Clears: PoFV, MoF, SA, UFO, TD, DDC
Current touhou goal: Improve! ...1cc more Hard Modes

Jaimers

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Re: Touhou Accomplishment Thread 21: Time to go FULL SHMUP
« Reply #821 on: May 12, 2014, 02:43:11 PM »
Yay cleared 66 scenes without using items.

Only ones remaining are 4-6, 6-5, 7-4, 8-6, 9-1, and 10-4 to 10-7.

4-6 seems ridiculous but possible. 6-5, 7-4, 8-6 I'm not sure. 9-1 I have no idea how to do. 10-5 and 10-6 seem possible albeit super annoying. 10-4 is super silly but possible.
10-7 seems completely impossible though.

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Re: Touhou Accomplishment Thread 21: Time to go FULL SHMUP
« Reply #822 on: May 12, 2014, 02:51:07 PM »
6-5, 7-4, 8-6 I'm not sure.
Can't say for 8-6, but I do have 6-5 and 7-4 cleared itemless.  6-5 was just retrying until the bites played nice (one laser ALWAYS seems to be aimed...), and 7-4 was retying until 5 waves didn't throw a nasty laser between the 2 I chose to dodge between.

51 scenes cleared here, 51 no item clears  :dealwithit:

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Re: Touhou Accomplishment Thread 21: Time to go FULL SHMUP
« Reply #823 on: May 12, 2014, 03:42:54 PM »
I actually managed to learn how to read the waves in 4-6 a bit. For the most part though, my trick is just slowly tapping down while focused, my vertical position being somewhat to the left/right of Yuyuko. Admittedly, part of it was because I used Decoy Doll sub to make Yuyuko die on wave #4; wave 1 is basically a free pass though and I could usually dodge the waves, so it was only a matter of time.

Once I got decent at the waves, it was just a matter of not getting screwed by the straight-falling cherry balls too much. I now consider them more difficult then the actual waves Yuyuko shoots out. They're usually what get me killed.

This probably makes it look easy, but it took a lot of resets. Still, with this strat, I'm sure someone like Jaimers can do it. Replay file link because I'm too lazy for youtube Then again, to some people, 20~ resets might not sound like much.

Finished day 4 no item yesterday.  Abused the pause button on 4-6 though because the luckshit of surviving 4 waves was a bit too much for me.  Also have day 5 done aside from 5-2 so far...
Safespot on 4-4 is hilarious. If you feel like you cheesed 4-6 too bad, my strat could help you remedy that, too. I have no idea how you're going to do 5-2, though...

I'm curious how people are doing some of these cards, like 5-4, 8-7, and Nitori/Futo's stuff. With no main item, that is. I think I'm at 53 no item clears? 2-5 is just too much for me ;_;
« Last Edit: May 12, 2014, 03:50:28 PM by Serela »
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Re: Touhou Accomplishment Thread 21: Time to go FULL SHMUP
« Reply #824 on: May 12, 2014, 03:44:01 PM »
1-5: Ice Sign "Icicle Fall" -Easy-

Jaimers

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Re: Touhou Accomplishment Thread 21: Time to go FULL SHMUP
« Reply #825 on: May 12, 2014, 04:45:16 PM »
For the most part though, my trick is just slowly tapping down while focused,

Cool, that did the trick. Caught 4-6 and 7-4.

I'm curious how people are doing some of these cards, like 5-4, 8-7, and Nitori/Futo's stuff.

For 5-4 you can destroy the barrels. 8-7 is just streaming and misdirecting.
For Nitori's first you stay above her and for her second you stay under her while misdirecting the aimed shots slightly to your sides.
Futo's first is super trivial. Her second is dodging.

Make use of the super shotgun whenever possible. Like for the start of 8-7 and Futo's second.

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Re: Touhou Accomplishment Thread 21: Time to go FULL SHMUP
« Reply #826 on: May 12, 2014, 04:47:06 PM »
For 5-4 you can destroy the barrels.
Oh my god. Thanks.

I'm pretty interested in seeing your 7-4, by the way. That card is a nightmare.
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Jaimers

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Re: Touhou Accomplishment Thread 21: Time to go FULL SHMUP
« Reply #827 on: May 12, 2014, 04:58:20 PM »
I'm pretty interested in seeing your 7-4, by the way. That card is a nightmare.

Sure.
I've noticed the lasers from the sides tend to be way denser at the bottom so stay a bit up for those.

While I'm at it 6-5 is horrible. :<
EDIT:
IHNM can you share your replay?
« Last Edit: May 12, 2014, 05:03:21 PM by Jaimers »

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Re: Touhou Accomplishment Thread 21: Time to go FULL SHMUP
« Reply #828 on: May 12, 2014, 05:25:55 PM »
Here it is, though this was mostly the result of just repeating attempts for about an hour until I finally got through 3 bites and didn't get laser sniped.  As I mentioned earlier I'm pretty sure one is aimed, but the rest were luck.

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Re: Touhou Accomplishment Thread 21: Time to go FULL SHMUP
« Reply #829 on: May 12, 2014, 05:45:31 PM »

Jaimers

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Re: Touhou Accomplishment Thread 21: Time to go FULL SHMUP
« Reply #830 on: May 12, 2014, 05:46:02 PM »
Thanks.

In other news, 10-6 caught. Ended up almost timing it out lol.
Also almost captured 10-5 but it's kinda really finicky.

6 remaining!

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Re: Touhou Accomplishment Thread 21: Time to go FULL SHMUP
« Reply #831 on: May 12, 2014, 05:51:27 PM »

Jaimers

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Re: Touhou Accomplishment Thread 21: Time to go FULL SHMUP
« Reply #832 on: May 12, 2014, 06:04:52 PM »
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa captured 8-6 that was crazy

Also holy crap 2.2 billion congrats.

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Re: Touhou Accomplishment Thread 21: Time to go FULL SHMUP
« Reply #833 on: May 12, 2014, 08:02:27 PM »
Well i cleared D1 itemless and currently trying to do the same on D2.
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Re: Touhou Accomplishment Thread 21: Time to go FULL SHMUP
« Reply #834 on: May 12, 2014, 08:50:35 PM »
...and upon seeing Day 10 I completely threw out any hopes of getting many more no item clears.  10-4, 10-6 and 10-9 weren't even fun to play.
As it stands though, I cleared all the scenes, 66 without items.  The only ones I don't have are:
8-6: I could do it if I wanted to grind it out, not really too interested at the moment though.
8-7: I just can't read this well enough to dodge it.
9-1: ARF has a nice strategy for this uploaded-I just don't feel like learning it.
10-4: Uhhhh....if I couldn't read 8-7 I couldn't read this kthx
10-5: I could get this one if I could get through the 3rd wave once.  But again, effort.
10-6: Not even fun nope
10-7: Literally impossible? Not quite-I dodged a wave, once.  Improbable describes it better.
10-8: I can't keep up with this one or react to Tenshi's movement well enough.
10-9: Also not even fun nope

Hardest few scenes to no item were definitely 4-3 (those butterflies ;-;), 5-2 (arrows!!), 6-5 (my no item was luck), 7-4 (likewise, though a bit less so), 8-4 (I'm bad at micrododging), and 10-3 (even though it was really fun, except when I died on the last spark I needed 4 times).

If the game ended on Stage 9 I'd have been happier I think, Stage 10 was just so much less fun than everything before it ;-;

Re: Touhou Accomplishment Thread 21: Time to go FULL SHMUP
« Reply #835 on: May 12, 2014, 09:34:35 PM »
When you go for no-item clear, the Yin-yang orb in sub in a must-have right ? Because it reduces your hitbox ?
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Re: Touhou Accomplishment Thread 21: Time to go FULL SHMUP
« Reply #836 on: May 12, 2014, 09:42:04 PM »
When you go for no-item clear, the Yin-yang orb in sub in a must-have right ? Because it reduces your hitbox ?
Depending on the scene, I would have the Yin-Yang, Cursed Doll or Tengu Camera.  Cursed Doll increases damage and if you sit on the bosses head deals a ton really quickly, the Yin Yang is useful in some levels but usually less so, and the Tengu Camera is useful vs. Aya and Hatate.

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Re: Touhou Accomplishment Thread 21: Time to go FULL SHMUP
« Reply #837 on: May 12, 2014, 10:05:46 PM »
Doesn't manipulating your hitbox, speed or fire spread also count as
Spoiler:
cheating
? I assume a no-item clear means playing with everything set to default.

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Re: Touhou Accomplishment Thread 21: Time to go FULL SHMUP
« Reply #838 on: May 12, 2014, 10:07:41 PM »
Impossible Spell Card progress so far: Cleared all scenes. Most of them were pretty easy except for a few scenes on Day 10. Also, cleared days 1 and 2 with no items. Currently have all nicknames except 17.

Doesn't manipulating your hitbox, speed or fire spread also count as
Spoiler:
cheating
? I assume a no-item clear means playing with everything set to default.
As far as I can tell, the game still gives you credit for no item clears even when you take advantage of those sub items, and I believe quite a few people have been doing just that in their no item runs. Maybe it's intentional, so Seija can still bend the rules even when it's supposed to be a no items run.
« Last Edit: May 12, 2014, 10:17:34 PM by Andrew »

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Re: Touhou Accomplishment Thread 21: Time to go FULL SHMUP
« Reply #839 on: May 12, 2014, 10:23:26 PM »
10-9 isn't hard at all, actually, to no-item. Tengu Camera as sub-slot and go at it like it's Suwako's first survival spell... giving Remilia a wide berth, naturally.