You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Game Over!

[Mitsuki]

... I thought the gunsmith was a role that gave guns to the players, but now I see the article on mafiascum and I guess they aren't. Or are they?

[BT]

I left some clues saying "hey guys we can't self protect" out there so that there was no kill today, but I guess they've been ignored after all. Oh well.

Where?

I dismissed more than two killing roles as stupid so I said nothing about it, but sure, it fitted with my theory.

When?

... I thought the gunsmith was a role that gave guns to the players, but now I see the article on mafiascum and I guess they aren't. Or are they?

I thought so too, I dunno.

[Mitsuki]

Ok, we still don't know how three kills happened but we asked Dan if the gunsmith would have done his action before dying and he said that kills are normally resolved last.

A dayvig or a vig created by the gunsmith could explain the pseudo-mylo if there's only one scum left.

[Conqueror]

Ohhh I forgot about that interpretation of the gunsmith.

Yeah it's possible that NNR was a person who gave vigs to people. There are at least two different types of Gunsmiths, I hadn't considered this possibility.

Hmm if that's the case, that does make Vhaltz/Mitsuki doc a little more likely though? Adding on that SB probably wasn't a standard doc.

Ah, speaking of which, Vhaltz/Mitsuki, you're just a normal Doctor, right?

[Conqueror]

ebwop: oops missed that post at the bottom of the page so disregard that

this setup is QUALITY btw, A+ Dan

I aim to please <3

[Mitsuki]

@BT:

Well, since we're probably dying anyways I think that everyone should consider  (after the day ends) the fact that there might be a situation on this setup where both town and scum don't win. Look at the town wincon, first post or your role PM will do.

It says that town wins when there are no remaining threads to town, sure, but it also says that a townie should be alive for that to happen. It is usually assumed that will happen so it's not written specifically, but here it is, so I reached the conclusion that there might be a situation where there might be no players left (bomb) or a survivor and two killing roles.

Rule 9 says that MyLo, LyLo, pesudo MyLo and LyLo will be announced. I think that the reason on why we'll need such a degree of precision on that could also be an indicative of what I said.

"We're probably dying anyways", implying that we coudln't self protect but not saying so directly.
I left this theory close to the deadline and after claiming. It's obvious I wouldn't have came up with it then. I already had the intention to self protect, so I thought that giving information such as this at the last minute would seem like I was using my last posts to give useful information with then that I wouldn't be able to give the next day.

And if you read my theory you can see that I said nothing about three killing roles but that fits perfectly (I thought about it and even asked Vhaltz for reference, but he didn't think that'd be possible either)

[BT]

No I mean when did you first think up the idea of so many killing roles? At one point exactly?

[BT]

EBWOP: "at what point"

[Vhaltz]

Yes we're a normal doctor beyond being able to self-protect (which I honestly didn't expect, I just asked for the hell of it). I asked about bastard mod elements due to doc variations sometimes working like sanities (and possibly bomb-related shenanigans like in Hourai's setup) and Dan said the game isn't bastard mod as far as he knows.

@BT do my walls still read "weird" after knowing we're a doc and I failed horribly to play low profile as a cop last game? I attempted to cut walls short this game to do better as a PR this game but Conq's aggressive reaction to my case kept us from the lower profile game I was going for. I kind of want to know why you continue to harp on us now after sheeping my Conq case earlier and the evidence sitting there that a second regular doc is likely in a 3+-killing-role setup. Mafia doctor you suggested doesn't make sense and you seem to ignore that point. All I saw LateD1 to justify that you're so quick on gambling the game on our lynch was a mention of two cut-outs of posts that read "systematic" so what the fuck man?
I don't believe there are two scum left this game so if Conq claims a cop inno on you it's either true or false and if it's false Conq's the one who's scum so you're very likely to be town right now. Unless there's another investigation immune which would be BS.

It's also much more likely that the gunsmith is the kind that hands out guns because according to the wiki Serial Killers don't kill with guns.

[Mitsuki]

EBWOP: "at what point"

When I noticed that the wincon was worded in a weird manner. Some time after that I remembered rule 9, which made my theory stronger.

[Conqueror]

missed this

What would a kevorkian doctor do?

a doc that can elect to kill at the expense of forgoing other doc shots. kinda fits in with the "over-prescriptive" in the flip

[Mitsuki]

Well, I considered what that all could mean to the setup and that was one of the possibilites I considered that fitted within my logic.

[Conqueror]

if that's the case, betting that sb and cf7 killed each other, and the remaining scum killed nnr
posting this just so i can have bragging rights if im right in endgame


Dormio if you're reading this, please claim role and night actions.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Fuck you I have assignments to work on.
But I guess I can say that we are vanilla with no active or passive abilities.
We only have the factional ability to talk in thread and vote.

[Vhaltz]

so what the fuck man?

Eh, given the context in the rest of the game where I'm annoyed at NNR I just want to point out that this is not me being upset again. Just a wording issue since I'm starting to get familiar with the playerbase and swears happen in my daily chat with english-speaking friends.

@Conq what does a kevorkian doctor do? is it the same as CPR doctor? because otherwise I don't understand what kind of doc could kill it's target. And don't SK kills generally have priority over all other killing roles? (which would mean if CF7 was targeted by SB he wouldn't also be killed?)

[Vhaltz]

It's also much more likely that the gunsmith is the kind that hands out guns because according to the wiki Serial Killers don't kill with guns.

Also wait this makes no sense because N1 flips all say "was shot".

[Vhaltz]

And I missed the post explaining the doc thing.

Still doesn't explain how they could've shot each other if the SK kill has priority though. It kind of works if the last scum is mafia and it went like this:
CF7 killed NNR, SB killed CF7 and the last mafia killed SB.

Unless the mafia kill also has priority over a vig shot on a different target, then I'm

[Conqueror]

@Conq what does a kevorkian doctor do? is it the same as CPR doctor? because otherwise I don't understand what kind of doc could kill it's target. And don't SK kills generally have priority over all other killing roles? (which would mean if CF7 was targeted by SB he wouldn't also be killed?)

3) pesco (Doctor)
Good evening, Tewi.  You've spent enough time around Eirin to know a thing or two about medicine, but being a trickster rabbit, you also know it can have some very unsettling side effects... which you might just use to your advantage, given you stole a bunch of medicine from Eientei before getting roped into this scum-hunting business.

You are a town-aligned Kevorkian Doc.  You can use your medicine to attempt to save one person per night, or you may stuff all of it in their mouths to end their pathetic existence.  Note that if you do the latter, you can't heal anyone else - you're out of medicine!  Unfortunately, you're not skilled enough to heal yourself - nor are you capable of healing the same target consecutively.  Finally, you only have enough patience to protect someone three times.

You win with the town.  Best of luck!

also the nk analysis was just a random guess, dont read too much into it. I will say that it's possible all kills have the same priority in this game but who knows.

Polaris is up next for claiming.

Also ftr if remaining scum aren't investigation immune this game is pretty much autowin. But let's do this properly anyway.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

##Vote: Conqueror
still pretty sure this dude is scum



despite being in the hydra i havent been told of our n1 results?

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

ok looking at the flips + lylo marker this is just presumably just a manhunt game with multiple mans to hunt. what is even the point

[Conqueror]

i didnt cc you in the initial night action pm for obvious reasons

2bad

cut: the point is to lynch all the scums

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

well im voting scum, right now.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

gut says just policy lynch dormio and that dan wouldn't put a VT in this set-up even to troll but idk

[Mitsuki]

gut says just policy lynch dormio and that dan wouldn't put a VT in this set-up even to troll but idk

The rules say that there's at least one VT.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

oh, then dormio is probably clear actually

instead of a vig there are probably 2 SKs who might crossfire tonight, hence pseudo-mylo

ill read the thread before going to arcade i guess

[Conqueror]

if shadoweh got the only vt role in the game i will laugh at her forever

[BT]

what if polly claims vt?

what if I claim vt?

also there has to be a vig or else we would have beet at pseudo-lylo at best

[BT]

Vhaltz it's fine, I was serious at first (after SB's flip) but now I'm not in a hurry to lynch you.

Coincidentially I was going to enter this day with another 180 on my read on you two and a null~whatever read on Conq but lol setup. Judging by his posts I doubt Conq is gambitting and I'm warming up to the double doc theory.

btw: you can feel free to insult my play yesterday all you'd like because it'll be totally deserved. I can't play mafia on impulse, prove, case closed.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

also i don't think dan would use the epicmafia gunsmith over the mafiascum gunsmith because he actually visits mafiascum. plus nnr would've had to have gunned somebody during the day. if somebody has a vig though they should claim it

[Vhaltz]

Just a warning that Mitsuki and I have to leave shortly to have dinner and sleep in a place with no internet. We stick around for a little longer but not much.

Which means that however obvious and autopilot you may think the game is after Polaris and BT claim don't do quicklynches before we're back tomorrow.

Cut: What's the point of a cop and an investigator gunsmith then? aren't both the same thing in a setup with 4 SK?