You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Game Over!

[CF7]

SB, don't you think that my thoughts on who's scum and who is not can change? There's almost a whole day difference between these 2 posts. -_-

[Serela]

Reading (aka another post soon), but FTR I don't get SB's "contradictions from CF7" thing at all.

Oh no, he... changed an ED1 read on someone after a day's worth of content occured? >_>

[ActionDan]

I'm not sure what to call it, so I'll call it the Serela Vountcount 1.6

BT (2) -  Conq/PX, Shadoweh/Dormio
CF7 (1) - Vhaltz/Mituski
Validon (0) -
Serela (2) - Validon, SB
SB (0) -
Conq/PX (1) - BT
NNR (0) -
Vhaltz/Mitsuki (1) - NNR
Shadoweh/Dormio (0) - 

Not Voting (2) - CF7, Serela

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch or no-lynch

23 hours left!
Day 1 Deadline Countdown

Validon's slot will be modkilled if I don't find a replacement by deadline!11!11!

[SB]

He said that one of Shadoweh's posts was scummy, but apparently that post isn't any more, with no reasoning behind it? That's what I don't like.

[Serela]

Vhaltz/Serela

ActionDan what

fixed. Serela Serela Serela Serela. K out of system

SB, I see that now I suppose o:

[Serela]

Re:Case on me (because I see Conq wanted a response and since people tend to >:c if you ignore them), it's pretty true? Yeah this is why normally I wouldn't have responded.

To put it bluntly, I hadn't gotten responses from the people I wanted responses from (and even Conq didn't explain anything about the vote HE WAS ACTUALLY VOTING FOR because he wanted them to respond to him first) so I went to bed instead.

NNR and and BT are both ducking out for D1?  :fail: Literally a third of the players are not present. You guys are prepared for super happy consolidation funtimes, right? Anyway, moving on.

I know he's a newbie, but since when are newbies allowed not to post and that's fine with everybody?

Mitsuki wut? He's posting, you might be misinterpreting the amount due to the fact that you were busy having a wall fight with Conq and bloating up the thread. Looking back over posts, Dormio's #171 pretty adequately explains the :idonteven: going on with this vote. After the silly wallwar they just drop Conq and go for... this really weird vote that Mitsuki even admits doesn't feel scummy but let's lynch it kthnx?

It's later defended as being a prodvote for pressure, but CF7 posts again after. Mitsuki+Vhaltz both are around and posting after CF7, but Vhaltz just passes the respond-to-CF7 stick to Mitsuki (which in this case is justified) and Mitsuki posts but... just kinda ignores it and lets her vote sit on CF7. Wut?

It's hard to interpret BT's post because, as he admits, it's a mess; ontop of that I don't like how the wagon on him is "he feels kind of weird I guess, so we should lynch him?" with a question mark, especially considering that yes, he had little time so it was indeed a mess. Unfortunately, since he's not supposed to really be back around until D2, there's not really room for following up either; but I definitely don't like that wagon right now.

Conq is jumping around everywhere but I'm not sure I can actually see a decent reason to vote him (It's hard to :effort: through all the walls anyway) and I'd maybe consider voting NNR but he's -also- vanished so I can't ask him for opinions either. Yeah, this seems pretty cut and dry here.

##Vote Vhaltzuki

[CF7]

He said that one of Shadoweh's posts was scummy, but apparently that post isn't any more, with no reasoning behind it? That's what I don't like.

Well i misjudged them. I reread their posts then i dismissed it as an odd vote.
And i guess i should vote too, since it's close to time limit. ##Vote Vhaltz/Mitsuki for the reasons i stated before.

[Mitsuki]

Ok, we're back from our trip now and we haven't read anything new in the past 7 hours or so. However, we wrote something with what we had (Vhaltz left some tabs open on his laptop). Here's what I got:


ABOUT CF7

SEEMS THAT VOTING HIM WAS THE RIGHT THING AFTER ALL!
Ok, I've done an ISO read about him. Let's see what I got:

After reading Conq/BT i'm actually thinking that Conq is a townie. Not Sure about BT. And i still think that Shadoweh/Dormio is scum.
##Unvote for now.

Here CF7 thinks Shadormio is scum but doesn't vote for them. Instead, he unvotes Serela (his RVS vote) and lets it be.

Considering Shadoweh/Dormio. First there's some sort of RVS/Joke Serela wagon. Then NNR wagon started by Serela, joined by Conq, and then there's this Shadoweh post.For me it's not a townie vote at all. It's pretty random and looks like scum jumping on an easy wagon.

Okay, here we have some reasoning regarding Shadormio and why he thinks they're scum. He still doesn't vote.
Vhaltz says he was told that he shouldn't be afraid of voting, but I haven't actually looked that up.

I think that Shadoweh/Dormio is most likely town because there's nothing in their posts that looks scummy to me.
Conqueror is also likely a townie.
Kind of suspecting Vhaltz/Mitsuki for overreacting with to somewhat trivial matter. And i think it's kind of a scummy behaviour.
After reading through Serela's post actually make me suspect him. There's almost nothing constructive, at least for this stage of day 1.
NNR is likely town, but i read something, that i can't quite put into words, but well. There's something that irks me off.
SB. Not sure. But judging from his posts i think he's probably a town.
BT not quite sure. Will looks through his posts some more.
And lastly Validon is not here.

So. I'm willing to vote Serela or Vhaltz/Mitsuki.
If this post looks kind of rushed, it was written during a 15 minute coffee break.

And here's the relevant part! Here sweet dear CF7 says that he thinks Shadormio is town because there's nothing in his posts that makes them look scummy, even when he gave reasoning before and that's quite the only thing he's done in this game prior to this post. Do I need to explain why this is scummy?
Also, guess who his new scumspects are? Popular targets, Serela and us. Quite convenient.

[Vhaltz]

Okay so I just remembered Serela asked for a summary of my Conq case and Shadoweh asked if he used rage to ignore points.

@Shadoweh rage part. I guess I didn't mean rage as much as I meant being very aggressive? I don't think he's ignored my points so far but that's only one side of the coin, your experience with Endymion was bad because of that particular trick he pulled on you, but he was also overly aggressive when dealing with the whole Baron Vladmu roleplay issue.


@Serela summary part. Here's the summary I made earlier and a few clarifications.

So my main issues with you are 1) how your thought process on Validon is unclear in-thread until the ~potentially made up a posteriori explanation~. It's convenient for scum to switch onto weak townie that's a potential D1 lynch early on. And 2) weird restatement of the earlier white knighting that's blown out of proportion in revote along with a poke on an irrelevant question, which makes me feel like it's all just filler for a scum-motivated vote to make it look nice.

Point 1 refers to posts #36, #57 and #79. Conq suspects Validon but decides not to follow up on it because meta, he then proceeds to vote him later without mentioning that he discarded the meta because it was a bad clear. His explanation is that he was voting you but then you stopped looking bad and the next best thing was Validon because he had done a scummy thing after all and the meta clear only made it null at best. The explanation came later when being questioned about it instead of in the posts relevant to the votes and that's what I thought was scummy.

Point 2 refers to posts 37 and 79. I only remembered one of the questions in 37 when I made the case and I was as to why Conq wanted Validon to reply to the question "can't scum also get driven to L-1 in ED1?". The only other thing in his 79 was saying the white knighting stuff again only in a way that made it sound scummier (imo) so I thought he was fluffing up his post so that the revote didn't look bad. The explanation to this one is that there was another more relevant question in 37 I missed("why does Shadormio lynch scream mislynch to you?") and it makes more sense that he'd want a reply to that.

You might notice that part of each point still kind of stands but it was the adding up of things as a whole that made Conq!scum a possibility in my head. Maintaining that he's scum at this point in the game after all he's posted based on only those two small details and tone would be terrible scumhunting when I can't quite meta properly.


*: here's the actual thing he said just in case my summarizing makes it look worse or something

Your case on me is literally that I didn't mention discarding this meta when I revoted Validon, but that doesn't even matter at all because the meta point I brought up was "something Validon did that was scummy could be a null tell." Yes, but that still makes it something scummy that he did. I initially stayed away from voting Validon because I thought his behavior would be alignment irrelevant and opted to vote Serela instead. Once I didn't feel comfortable with a Serela vote anymore, I decided that the meta point wasn't enough for me to avoid a Validon vote over Serela, and in any case I wanted clarification from him.

post split for readability

[Vhaltz]

Rereading I'm not sure what to make of Conq's replies to be honest. He's interpreting anything I say that's an alternate interpretation of what he posted (such as -Validon meta = clear as town- versus -Validon meta = clear as null-, which several people in the game have been misinterpreting in our case) as an attempt to paint him as scum, coming from scum.

Trying to find a quotable example for this I stumbled upon a thing that is a thing.

Again, point me out where I meta'd Validon as town. It's like what Mitsuki did earlier in the game when she said "Validon always does this," or something to that effect. Never did I meta Validon as town, and the way you're painting this as a complete 180 is just misrepping/misinterpreting (depending on your alignment) the entire situation.

Nobody in the game cares to read the slapfight closely other than Conq and myself, so Conq could've perfectly gotten away with taking advantage of the situation and go all out in trying to paint me as scum, there's no reason that he'd throw in some waffles about being unconvinced about our alignment midway. What I mean to say is that it doesn't make sense that this waffle is here if the whole aggressive overreaction was staged on purpose to make Mitsuki and I look like scummy mcscumlords. Towniest read so far.

PD: Haven't read beyond #177 and barely read the posts before that since we were almost running out the door.

[NekoNekoRex]

IRC tells me Serela s totally not a dude so I'm going to totally use either one until one of them turns out wrong
Also it turns out I didn't get any sleep last night so I've been really drowsy all day and been trying to sleep rather then use my computer.
Also :college: is a thing now again.

Hey NNR did you read my reply to Conq because I don't think you did.

It's not the change in opinion, changes in opinion happen, sure, but in switching his read he never mentioned how or why the readswitch happened at the time he voted. Twice. If at one point you say somebody's post is bad but meta him town, and then you change your mind about the meta and decide to vote him instead, that's a 180? turn so it's natural and common sense that you'd explain why you changed your mind at the time of the vote. Conq didn't explain until much later which feels like trying to cover up for a screw up.

This is kind of hypocritical since your other half is arguing the same opposite thing about a meta-related FoS.

Also your view of Validon!scum is clearly making you biased towards Conq's side in a ConqvsUs discussion because he dislikes Validon whereas we think he's null. This is specially clear when your reasons behind your vote on us are extremely subpar. The only mention you make of my points is that you half-understand them and wrote out something as obvious as that people change their minds and that it doesn't make them scummy, when this is barely scratching the surface of the reasoning behind my Conq case (which is barely ED1 strong as it is so this should not be hard).

...what? ...Biased? I don't have anyone as town yet, and I'm not going to defend Conq at this point to try and lynch you, I'm going to lynch you if you're scummy. I disagree with your opinion that Conq's voteswitches have been scummy so far and I think your reasons for voting him are reaching a bit too far.

Your only valid point may be Mitsuki's issue with Conq's continued suspicion on you, which she has since conceded because she misread (I remind you that English is not her mother tongue). I advise that you read our posts and the thread again and update your case/vote.

I can accept a misunderstanding, at least.

I don't really see BT's case either. Conq's "How is this not town!Conq?" post would be objectionable if it wasn't really just him bringing out a past case of him dropping meta reasons, which I still agree with whether or not he made it obvious he dropped the meta. TBH I don't think his late Validon vote is that bad either, if he wasn't going to respond to it it might as well have been like Serela in Adorable Mafia where an early scumslip became a major deal that might be worth sticking to for the whole day.

I'm still reading but I'll post this block so that i don't continue to look gone. I have to ride a bus home as well so I will actually be gone for more time.

EDIT: HOLY SHIT FIREFOX SAVED THE POST DATA AMAZING

[NekoNekoRex]

I'll be present for deadline btw

[Mitsuki]

... I wrote practically the same case than SB, yay

Serela, maybe the answer to why I did that is I had no time yet everyone was putting pressure on us asking questions and telling us to do impossible things with the little time we had?
Please don't skip parts of my post just like that, you should see the post as a whole and not only pick some points and forget about the context in which it's written. You're only going to be biased otherwise.

Well i misjudged them. I reread their posts then i dismissed it as an odd vote.
And i guess i should vote too, since it's close to time limit. ##Vote Vhaltz/Mitsuki for the reasons i stated before.

Well, could you at least say what you're interpreting as an overreaction so that we can at least explain what happened? You just stated that (which is really weak reasoning btw, as lots of people have overreacted in this game so far and I don't think neither Vhaltz or I are one of those. Scum or not, you're only focusing on us because it's convenient - groupthink) and gave no clue on what you meant. So I ask you: from what we did, what do you think is an overreaction? And why do you think it's scummy? I think town are the ones that overreact more, by the way, unless the overreaction is faked to gain towncred (as we thought about Conqueror at some point).
CF7's behaviour just now is very scummy in my opinion, so in addition to my/SB's case I'm totally fine with my vote.

[Vhaltz]

This is kind of hypocritical since your other half is arguing the same opposite thing about a meta-related FoS.

I did warn at the start of the game that we were each going to post our individual opinions, and later restated again that I'm barely going over Mitsuki's posts for language issues. I was also focused on clarifying and pushing my Conq case back at the time of the post you quote.

I also asked you not to take things personally but you seem to have done so judging from your misunderstanding comment. Dude, don't do that.

[Mitsuki]

I guess I'll reply to Serela better:

Mitsuki wut? He's posting, you might be misinterpreting the amount due to the fact that you were busy having a wall fight with Conq and bloating up the thread. Looking back over posts, Dormio's #171 pretty adequately explains the :idonteven: going on with this vote. After the silly wallwar they just drop Conq and go for... this really weird vote that Mitsuki even admits doesn't feel scummy but let's lynch it kthnx?

Serela, I wasn't the one to have the wall fight, Vhaltz and I are different people. (o_o;
In any case, I had no reads back then. In any case, there was no pressure on CF7 and nobody was doing anything about it. "He's a newbie" isn't an excuse. So I did the best I could with my vote, I voted for the null who nobody was pressuring and who had no content (except for their past suspicions on Shadormio and some unexplained reads). Why is that suspicious? What would you have done if you couldn't have gone back to reread and everybody was pressuring you for content for some reason?
Serela's vote is quite weak too, I think he's just picking up a few things selectively from my posts that reinforce an opinion he had before while not looking at the context nor the whole picture (that or he's scum doing that on purpose, he's still null to me).

[Conqueror]

preliminary quick skim of the thread and this is going to sound kinda weird with what i've said right before but i dont think i really want to lynch vhaltz anymore. would really prefer bt lynch by a long shot. also polaris hurry up and replace in for validon you bum.

i dont actually think cf7 is scum, really, just inexperienced town. there's no way for me to really defend this but a lot of the things he's doing can be attributed to someone who's just not that good at explaining stuff. i wouldnt cry terribly at his lynch but i really really think there are better lynch candidates. like bt. or maybe even serela (gasp).

serela's vote on vhaltz/mitsuki hydra looks like he's taking advantage of the fact they said they were busy and not able to read the thread. the reasons for suspecting vhaltz/mitsuki over bt are also pretty bad imo. at least vhaltz/mitsuki are making an effort in switching from a vote they acknowledge they dont feel comfortable with and going with something they think might hit scum. i know the feeling - it's like the serela wagon in the last game, or any number of lurker wagons in like every game ever (the most example that comes to mind most easily for me is the rawr wagon in path of radiance). i may not agree with the vote but it's an effort. generally starting a last minute lurker wagon is a null tell for me but vhaltz/mitsuki's recent posting kinda makes me feel better about them.

It's hard to interpret BT's post because, as he admits, it's a mess; ontop of that I don't like how the wagon on him is "he feels kind of weird I guess, so we should lynch him?" with a question mark, especially considering that yes, he had little time so it was indeed a mess. Unfortunately, since he's not supposed to really be back around until D2, there's not really room for following up either; but I definitely don't like that wagon right now.

the vote on bt isn't just because he's weird. like i said, while vhaltz/mitsuki was getting involved in the wall war with me bt basically swoops in from the side, says he agrees with a few points that vhaltz makes, and then votes me for reasons he states are scattered throughout his post but really dont add up to anything. you say vhaltz/mitsuki's vote in cf7 is just a prodvote for pressure? yes, but it has a potential to start a lynch wagon and vhaltz/mitsuki are making valid, if I think misguided, points about cf7's play. meanwhile what is bt's vote doing and why is it there? sure, bt is busy, but scum can be busy too. if vhaltz/mitsuki's vote on cf7 is a prodvote then what are you going to categorize bt's vote on me as, given that he never acknowledged any of my replies to vhaltz's arguments?

also serela what happened to your initial suspicion of sb; both me and sb prod at it and then suddenly when it's time for you to state your suspicions in your vote post it's completely disappeared without a mention. i get the gut feeling it's because i said i wasnt interested in an sb lynch and that's why you're not attempting to pursue it anymore, preferring to go for juicier targets.

and now that im on this subject serela it's very strange that you take the time to chastise me and vhaltz/mitsuki for the wall war (without mentioning that you think either of us are scummy) and then after vhaltz/mitsuki drop the wall war to pursue another vote serela pounces on them for that. i mean i get what's suspicious about pursuing a low-content player at the end of the day when all your reads are shot, but at the same time i've done it as town so many times before (and ive seen other townies do it plenty of times) that i think serela's reasoning is just really really lazy.

[Vhaltz]

...But I'll grant that things are getting increasingly disjointed with two independent posting heads not reaching agreements about content.

I think I'll just stop posting as an independent hydra head altogether to help with reading our slot properly. There's also how it's not particularly fun to play with people taking things personally, I've been inclined to think my playing style's at fault for a while since the Dormio thing happened last game, but everything was fine in my exchanges with BBM and Conq last game so . I guess I'll ask for feedback on that when the game is over. I'm might be making too big a deal out of it since I've been somewhat frustrated with the game for a while but I still think it's best to quit posting and be a regular hydra.

[Mitsuki]

I thought Vhaltz would reply to NNR but oh well. I'm a little bit frustrated but I'm also having fun. I don't undrstand how that's possible (?_o)

This is kind of hypocritical since your other half is arguing the same opposite thing about a meta-related FoS.

Hey, different people think different! Why should not agreeing between us be scummy? It makes no sense.

...what? ...Biased? I don't have anyone as town yet, and I'm not going to defend Conq at this point to try and lynch you, I'm going to lynch you if you're scummy. I disagree with your opinion that Conq's voteswitches have been scummy so far and I think your reasons for voting him are reaching a bit too far.

Vhaltz and I don't think Conqueror is scum anymore, so at least we agree on that! Anyways, I remind you that townies can be wrong too.
I don't exactly remember what Vhaltz said about Conqueror, but Vhaltz is kind of a tryhard so he always pushes his cases quite far. I recommend you reading some of last game and you'll see what I mean. In any case, that's not something scummy for him to do, that's just his playing style.

[BT]

Mind you I'm still very much in no place to commit to game involvement but I HAVE been following me-related things.

All I'll say is that, if Conq's town, he should realize that my not involving myself in things is exactly because I was busy. That's the point. Had I the time I totally would have made an organized case with references to everything. Doing so had even the potential to change my opinion but obviously I can't know that until I catch up in a day or two. My vote was guided (still is) by my general, hazy feels at the time and that's the best I could have done, as either alignment, so you making a point about how me being busy is non-alignment-indicative and then claiming that this point IS is plain faulty.

[BT]

I mean really, you're just saying my vote is incomplete, right? Obviously it is.

[Serela]

also serela what happened to your initial suspicion of sb

I was homing in on him during my rereading after the talk of CF7 contradictions but then he responded to me and I went "oh that actually makes sense :c" and dropped it.

His earlier post was kind of weird but I wouldn't just lynch him for it. Then again, the other lynch candidates aren't exactly glorious either

...But I'll grant that things are getting increasingly disjointed with two independent posting heads not reaching agreements about content.

After the current issue starting to pop up of your slot having two heads thinking significantly different things and practically working independently of eachother this does sound kind of nice >_> When Mitsuki replied to me saying "...but that was my other head o.o;" for the first time I went "AUGH HYDRAS". In the past I'm used to them basically working in cooperation and being treatable as a single person.

Conq's explanation of the BT vote makes better sense, since the other person on there is literally just sheeping him I didn't really have much of an impression to get on the wagon without the better explanation of why he was voting BT. Still not exactly wanting to get on the BT wagon but I don't actively dislike it anymore

NNR is around hooray!

Re:Vhaltz on Conq, oh. So it was basically a big pile of misunderstandings. Well that happens! Also, in general, their combined responses pretty much dispel most of what I didn't like about them >_> I don't agree with their (Mitsuki's?) conclusion on CF7 still, but their actions actually make sense now.

That being said I still think their slot is off and I'm still totally okay with lynching them; but admittedly I'm also looking for other people to lynch now because I'm not as excited about a VM lynch as I was before >> I'm going to do some more rereading.

[Conqueror]

I mean really, you're just saying my vote is incomplete, right? Obviously it is.

If you're paying attention to the game, then you know enough to see that your vote isn't doing anything on me and unless you make an effort to state why I'm scum then I'm not going to be lynched. If you're town, you know that parking your vote on me at this juncture does nothing. So either you take the time to put in the effort and try to lynch me, or you move your vote to someone else you think is scummy that you might want lynched. If you're town, I'd imagine that you'd at least mention any other suspects given the looming deadline (and really, if you're just going by gut feels, then why don't you talk about gut feels about anyone other than me?). So how's this: take a minute to think about those hazy feels and tell me who you think is scum (besides me, apparently), because the fact that you can pop in and defend yourself means you can also pop in to look at the other wagons to see if you find any of them scummy. Or do you not care that there is a wagon upon you and enough people have indicated suspicion on you that you could be lynched?

For the record, I'm sure you're busy, but your case was (and is) bad and the fact that again, you completely ignore anything I've said in response is scummy.

"But I haven't read any of your responses because I'm busy," I'm pretty sure you're going to say. Okay, so how's this. Why do you think I'm scum? In your own words.

[Conqueror]

EBWOP: Alternatively, you could talk about who else you think is scum, which is probably more useful at this junction and the answer to which I'm more interested in anyway.

[Conqueror]

*juncture
stupid english
but yeah give me a quick reads list bt
it doesnt have to be comprehensive or have extensive reasoning
just gimme where you stand on gut, it'll only take a minute
i want to see where your reads stand instead of the current situation where you're just harping on me

[ActionDan]

Replacement Vountcount 1.7

BT (2) -  Conq/PX, Shadoweh/Dormio
CF7 (1) - Vhaltz/Mituski
Validon (0) -
Serela (2) - Validon, SB
SB (0) -
Conq/PX (1) - BT
NNR (0) -
Vhaltz/Mitsuki (3) - NNR, Serela, CF7
Shadoweh/Dormio (0) - 

Vhaltz/Mitsuki are at L-2!
Not Voting (0) -

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch or no-lynch

Validon is being replaced by Polaris! Effective immediately!

Deadline extended by 24/(9-1) = 3 hours! to make up lost time

~18 hours left!
Day 1 Deadline Countdown

[Polaris]

I request this game's title is changed to You Don't Know Who Will Join Next! Mafia.

sounds about right :derp:

[Polaris]

posting based on feelings i got from just skimming the game quickly. too lazy to read in detail (▰˘◡˘▰)

##Unvote
##Vote Serela

vote stays on serela-tan because seriously serela, are you just scum all the time these days or do i just have a personal vendetta against you ┐(￣ー￣)┌

i don't understand the votes on micchan (probably because i didn't read closely enough) but tbh i'm not feeling a micchan lynch right now. ( ・ω・)

last wagon is captain beatty except i'm not feeling the wagon on beatty-kun either ( ・ω・)

the gray areas for me right now are banana-kun and CF7 but they aren't the best choices for wagon consolidation right now. i.... i think we should be consolidating wagons at least? (╯3╰)

[Polaris]

more on serela-tan: serela-tan just reads apathetic re: scumhunting to me which i generally associate with scum!serela because lack of effort in scumhunting is pretty scummy. or maybe serela-tan just got character development when i wasn't looking and now i don't know what his meta is anymore. ☆〜（ゝ。∂） <<< kind of a combination gut/meta read but oh well.

i'll look at beatty-kun and micchan again to see if i feel anything more but don't expect anything mindblowing (╯3╰)

[NekoNekoRex]

Reading some responses to my earlier post before I go back to where I was earlier in the thread.

I did warn at the start of the game that we were each going to post our individual opinions, and later restated again that I'm barely going over Mitsuki's posts for language issues. I was also focused on clarifying and pushing my Conq case back at the time of the post you quote.

I also asked you not to take things personally but you seem to have done so judging from your misunderstanding comment. Dude, don't do that.

First of all, you two are in the same player slot, so I generally expect you're going to be agreeing on most points, considering you share a vote. As earlier, if you wanted to have a different opinion, you should have taken your own player slot. I guess this point doesn't matter, however, since you seem to have already picked up on the point.

Second, the assumption that I am personally offended by any posts is not correct. Flabbergasted? Maybe. Offended? Why would I be? Mafia isn't  a good place to be getting angry anyway (as I have helpfully demonstrated anyway several times).

In any case neither of these points are very good rebuttals to my criticism.

[Vhaltz]

Are you telling us how to think and behave? Because I want to do different. I don't think your criticism on those points is scumhunting.

So, what is your case now? And what are your opinions on the rest of the game?


Yay, Polaris-kun-sama-san-chan is here \(owo)/