You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Game Over!

[Vhaltz]

You think we're scum? O_o since when? I don't think voting nnr is baseless.

The effort put into explaining why it isn't baseless is killing me. Seriously I'm reading back and I'm not seeing anything beyond an OMGUS. All you're saying after that is we should lynch NNR instead of the other guy without pointing out what's scummy in his play that makes him Today's Lynch.

Don't think it makes them scum though, just a prod for content.

[Vhaltz]

Friendly reminder that laziness killed last game.

[ActionDan]

You Don't Know Who Will Vote Next! Vountcount 1.4

BT (0) -
CF7 (1) - SB
Validon (1) - NNR
Serela (1) - Validon
SB (0) -
Conq/PX (1) -  Vhaltz/Mitsuki
NNR (2) - Serela, Shadoweh/Dormio
Vhaltz/Mitsuki (2) - BT, Conq/PX
Shadoweh/Dormio (0) - 

Not Voting (1) - CF7

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch or no-lynch

~1.75 days leftDay 1 Deadline Countdown

Validon Prodded

Also because it isn't specified, you don't need to ##unvote to vote for someone else.  Just be aware.

[NekoNekoRex]

@BT: That reasoning was part of the next page, which threw me off a little after I made that post.  This isn't my best D1 so far, I've likely been too hasty with trying to find options (apparent that I've been missing things in posts)

Ok, I'll quote my original post. Tell me where the "clear" is:

"Validon usually does that kind of thing". I didn't say "as town". I never implied it either. You're just misunderstanding me (?_u)
What I meant is that if Validon usually does x thing we can't say whether it's coming from one alignment or the other. I said "Validon should still be neutral", not "lol he's town". I didn't even try to say something about Validon's alignment.

"I am voting a player for voting another player for a meta-related reason that I don't think is scummy" sure sounds like "clear" to me. It kind of implies you don't think the person you're soft-defending is scum.

First of all, were you the one to talk to HW about your role? wwwwwwwwwww

What? No.

<@Prims> wait is NNR playing
.:Conq:. yeah he is
.:@Prims:. if so we can't talk openly in here i imagine
.:Conq:. yeah
.:NekoRex:. playing what now
.:NekoRex:. I've been on and off allday
.:NekoRex:. oh hey the game finally began
.:Conq:. :V

This is the full extent of mentions I have made to this game outside the thread. I was guessing Serela was the one spilling beans.

I'll have another post soon where I don't only talk about myself.

[Mitsuki]

"I am voting a player for voting another player for a meta-related reason that I don't think is scummy" sure sounds like "clear" to me. It kind of implies you don't think the person you're soft-defending is scum.
What? No.This is the full extent of mentions I have made to this game outside the thread. I was guessing Serela was the one spilling beans.

Not thinking he's scum doesn't mean I think he's town either. (=w=;

Serela, is that right? wwwwwwwwwwwww

[Validon98]

Okay, so school happened, and I don't have access to this website during this time, so a lot of stuff happened and I've been busy and I'm sorry but as much as I want to continue the beginning of my senior year might get in the way of that. Thus I'm requesting a replacement for now. Sorry, I would love to do this, but real life is just saying no.

[ActionDan]

I am writing in the shit color to convey that the posits about who HW may have communicated with prior to entering (and leaving) the game ought to stop immediately

really... that's brown?

[ActionDan]

Oh and Validon needs to be replaced.

[NekoNekoRex]

Not thinking he's scum doesn't mean I think he's town either. (=w=;

True, but it's still soft-defending him for a meta reason. The distinction that he's either town or not scum is a highly moot point. It would be the same as me saying that Serela isn't scum for all her fluff posts and lack of content because she always screws up her ED1 game (which might be true but is definitely an awful reason to avoid being suspicious).

Valhtz's #100 post and Conq vote look kinda weird since I only half-understand what his vote is trying to say. I don't really agree that finding a different way to vote a player you previously didn't want to vote sounds just like a change in opinion to me, and Conq even drops the meta reason for avoiding the vote, which I can agree with as well.
I'm not really seeing Conq's continued suspicion on me, BTW, and Valtz and Mitsuki are kinda scummy for implying Conq still suspects me when it's not really there.

Vali is switching out, so there's not much point in trying to pressure him with a vote for the time being, odd post or no. I think Valtz or and Mitsuki are scummy so far for their attacks on Conq and trying to justify the meta clear as something else, so

##Unvote
##Vote: Valtsuki

PS I do think Serela is leaning scum atm for her lack of good content, and would like to see some posts from him soon.

[Mitsuki]

True, but it's still soft-defending him for a meta reason. The distinction that he's either town or not scum is a highly moot point. It would be the same as me saying that Serela isn't scum for all her fluff posts and lack of content because she always screws up her ED1 game (which might be true but is definitely an awful reason to avoid being suspicious).

I didn't intend to defend Validon, even if you interpret what I said as a defense. I just wanted to point out BT's reasoning because I thought was coming from scum (not really, but I wanted to end RVS). I can see no reason on why my actions would be scummy. You're probably making associative reads on your mind between Validon and us and thinking that's relevant because of it while it's not. There's also the fact that Validon wasn't under much pressure, do you really think that if we were scumbuddies I'd have jumped to defend him so early?
Also, the difference is on the purpose: I was suspecting BT and that's why I made the post. Defending Serela would have no purpose.

I'm not really seeing Conq's continued suspicion on me, BTW, and Valtz and Mitsuki are kinda scummy for implying Conq still suspects me when it's not really there.

I already clarified that. Is misunderstanding things scummy?

Really weak vote overall, it's just based on misinterpretations. (As I said earlier, I think NNR usually misunderstands things)

[BT]

FAIR WARNING: sharp shift in priorities means you should be expecting sub-minimal activity from me for the remainder of the day. I'll be back in full throttle for D2.

(this is my post for today)

[Vhaltz]

Hey NNR did you read my reply to Conq because I don't think you did.

It's not the change in opinion, changes in opinion happen, sure, but in switching his read he never mentioned how or why the readswitch happened at the time he voted. Twice. If at one point you say somebody's post is bad but meta him town, and then you change your mind about the meta and decide to vote him instead, that's a 180? turn so it's natural and common sense that you'd explain why you changed your mind at the time of the vote. Conq didn't explain until much later which feels like trying to cover up for a screw up.

The only reason why town would withhold reasoning to their vote would be if they were doing so intentionally aiming to gauge reactions but there has been no comment on this being intentional.


Also your view of Validon!scum is clearly making you biased towards Conq's side in a ConqvsUs discussion because he dislikes Validon whereas we think he's null. This is specially clear when your reasons behind your vote on us are extremely subpar. The only mention you make of my points is that you half-understand them and wrote out something as obvious as that people change their minds and that it doesn't make them scummy, when this is barely scratching the surface of the reasoning behind my Conq case (which is barely ED1 strong as it is so this should not be hard).

Your only valid point may be Mitsuki's issue with Conq's continued suspicion on you, which she has since conceded because she misread (I remind you that English is not her mother tongue). I advise that you read our posts and the thread again and update your case/vote.

Might've sounded a little too aggressive, nothing's meant to be taken personally.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

I tried to read CF7's posts but my brain kind of doesn't register the words. Shadoweh can respond to whatever he was saying.

Seriously I'm reading back and I'm not seeing anything beyond an OMGUS.

You mean other than the complete dismissal of the things that Shadoweh and I were posting in order to make it seem as though we had no reason whatsoever to be voting for Serela? Why do all of you people insist on giving us overly simple motivations for what we do?

Shadoweh will comment on more recent events because I'm busy working on assignments.

[BT]

I'm staying up to post in mafia despite everything. Sacrificing sleep. Everyone likes uncle BT.

[BT]

WARNING: THIS POST IS A MESS
WHAT WERE YOU EXPECTING, I TYPED THIS UP IN AN HOUR (AND A HALF)

Midnight reading and then nothing for a good day.

My basis behind the Mitsuki vote was that it seemed quick to stop the press cold and paint it as scummy. Her explanation actually makes me understand it though - if it was a specific thing that she thought I was in the wrong about and thought I knew I was in the wrong... yeah, I can see that reaction happening.

Vhaltz makes a point of presenting my convo with Conq as a slapfight which confuses me. However he does bring up one good point and it's that Conq didn't really mention anything about him reconsidering his Val handwave when it happened.

At first I was going to say something about Vhaltzotsuki's walls reading weird this game but... not really. I don't know. I think I'm fine with them right now. I think part of Vhaltz's actual meta is to make weird cases and despite the initial reaction I had while mafiaphoning I can't claim that his case reeks of scum.

Though, Mitsuki, confusion about hydras isn't alignment-indicative. I don't really get your NNR town lean. I think you also misunderstood some of what Conq was saying about Val to be on NNR instead. ("he didn't say it himself" or whatever was actually referring to Validon stating or not stating suspicion on Serela) (you already found this out yourself, cool)

Conq, hey, if I claimed that you overreacted to Vhaltzotsuki's case, you'd understand, right? It's lovely that your rebuttal is an explanation of how protown your play is and how they dare to not see it. (yes I know it's not all, but it's in there) You definitely could've fooled me that you were going to vote them just from your posts up to #109 so for #110 to announce that you *actually are* is what.

BT finding Validon suspicious but not voting for him is not good. I also agree with BT wrt to Conq changing his Validon opinion but the aforementioned RVS vote staying on Validon for so long until prodded is kind of sketchy, especially when he implies he isn't gonna change it at first but then switches a few minutes later.

By this point you've probably realized that I still had my RVS vote at the time but, anyway, it's because I didn't want to vote him and cause an early shit tornado, just wanted a light press. If that's clear.

A lot of your post is weird inaccuracies / vague suspicions, could you flesh things out? Also what Dormio meant by Prims doing stupid shit as scum is that Prims does stupid shit as scum (at least here). The quantity and quality of stupid shittiness is consistently higher with his scum game so it's not a bad meta lean.

Your vote is actually fairly okay ("okay" as a vote but I think he's leaning town after his reply to you) so I don't get Conq's immediate shooting down of said vote. It probably isn't his first mafia game to boot. (use of "reread" is probably a giveaway, don't think it's had time to be used here)

And yeah sorry Conq, #117 consolidates with a lot of my own thoughts on ED1. Most notably that Scum!Validon just wouldn't gain much from "whiteknighting" if it was the actual motive, and if it wasn't it was likely to come from both alignments as I've already said. It's weird that, in your reply to the case, you still give considerable weight to your Validon press when that shouldn't be the case. I don't think you'd have stuck with this for so (relatively) long as town.

Late reply to Mitsuki because for some reason NNR feels like pushin the "you totally cleared him" thing - I didn't mean clear back then in the conventional way, I felt like you were "clear"ing attempts at pressing Val way too easily but I already said at the start of this post that I understand that it wasn't the case now. (rather it was a specific thing)

Nice to see NNR has regressed back to his gender defects. Serela's totally a dude. I'm frowning at you right now for not realizing that Mitsuki messed up wrt Conq's suspicion on you (null) and referring to Vhaltz's #100 and not his #117 which is better.

wait

I just wanted to point out BT's reasoning because I thought was coming from scum (not really, but I wanted to end RVS).

You had me confused for a few seconds but okay. I think varying degrees of :serious: you might have been exhibiting doesn't change anything here. Also stingy WIFOM, please don't do. My eyes are sensetive.

dum badum dabadumbarum ##Unvote ##Vote Conqueror X Reasons are scattered in this post, it's like playing a game I have no time for right now. Also vague gut feelings that'd probably explain somewhat the way our early exchagne started.

Why do I feel like Shadoweh.

Speaking of which she should totally do that thing Dormio mentioned.

Sleep. Don't expect me to post anytime soon (hopefully).

[BT]

Several instances I wondered if what is essentially a 1v1 right now is cool but I think I'm fine with it. So long as people don't float past it. Hint hint.

[Conqueror]

Okay, Vhaltz, you keep making a big deal about me not dropping the meta point or whatever. Let me point you to the meta point in question.

ftr initially i kinda wanted to instavote validon for what i thought was a white knight of the shadoweh wagon but validon is prone to overstatement from past experience

Your case on me is literally that I didn't mention discarding this meta when I revoted Validon, but that doesn't even matter at all because the meta point I brought up was "something Validon did that was scummy could be a null tell." Yes, but that still makes it something scummy that he did. I initially stayed away from voting Validon because I thought his behavior would be alignment irrelevant and opted to vote Serela instead. Once I didn't feel comfortable with a Serela vote anymore, I decided that the meta point wasn't enough for me to avoid a Validon vote over Serela, and in any case I wanted clarification from him.

What's scummy isn't switching reads from meta to content, what's scummy is that there was no explanation of this happening, and since the explanation came later after somebody had pointed it out, it's likely that it was made up.

The accusation that I didn't bother making up reasoning for a Validon vote until asked later is kinda insulting to my scum game imo because as scum I would have no reason to not provide token reasoning using buzzwords.
But I sorta responded to this already.

Also, Validon has made one friggin post. How much reasoning are you even expecting for a Validon vote? The fact that you're ignoring this and calling people out for flimsy reasoning for a one-line-one-post poster is pretty suspicious in itself. Essentially it boils down to a gut vote, but I tried to explain my gut in a way that makes sense to other people. And this is scummy?

I "restated" the white knighting thing because I was asked about it; I wouldn't have brought it up again otherwise because I was waiting for Validon to respond to it.

Because the question is literally "can't scum also get driven to L-1 in ED1?" and I can't fathom how a response to that question would give anything that's telling of his alignment. This was the only thing that accompanied your revote aside from the whole "twisting the situation" business in which I can't see scum benefit and it overall seems to be worded in a way to make it look deliberately scummier.

Way to ignore the question I actually asked Validon?

validon, why did you think shadoweh getting put at l-1 so early scream mislynch to you? why can't scum be put at l-1 early in the game (like huhwhat in disgaea mafia)?

I asked him why he referred to it as a mislynch; the latter question was an addendum. Again, you're cherry picking my words to spin a picture that isn't there. Also, see above.

The only mention you make of my points is that you half-understand them and wrote out something as obvious as that people change their minds and that it doesn't make them scummy, when this is barely scratching the surface of the reasoning behind my Conq case (which is barely ED1 strong as it is so this should not be hard).

If your case is barely ED1 strong why are clutching to it like a drowning man being tossed a lifeline? You seem pretty sure about it to me.

[Conqueror]

It's not the change in opinion, changes in opinion happen, sure, but in switching his read he never mentioned how or why the readswitch happened at the time he voted. Twice. If at one point you say somebody's post is bad but meta him town, and then you change your mind about the meta and decide to vote him instead, that's a 180? turn so it's natural and common sense that you'd explain why you changed your mind at the time of the vote. Conq didn't explain until much later which feels like trying to cover up for a screw up.

Pointing this out again because reading it makes me increasingly frustrated.
Again, point me out where I meta'd Validon as town. It's like what Mitsuki did earlier in the game when she said "Validon always does this," or something to that effect. Never did I meta Validon as town, and the way you're painting this as a complete 180 is just misrepping/misinterpreting (depending on your alignment) the entire situation.

[Shadoweh]

I skimmed a bunch of walls to see if Validon had posted, and I noticed he had! ... -.- Well I guess that's more waiting then.
Regarding CF7 I think his reasoning is p understandable, he thinks we're weird, our vote was weird, and doesn't think the person we're voting for is bad, therefore we might be scum. For babby's first case it's pretty good! Except for the part where we're town I guess. Nxt I will actually read Neko's posts in the middle of all that that and see if I think he is still a scummy.

Cut: Oh my god stop arguing with each other i want to post too

[Conqueror]

Your vote is actually fairly okay ("okay" as a vote but I think he's leaning town after his reply to you) so I don't get Conq's immediate shooting down of said vote. It probably isn't his first mafia game to boot. (use of "reread" is probably a giveaway, don't think it's had time to be used here)

Oops, now that I read his original post in the signup thread yeah it isn't his first game of mafia ever, just on this site. Still, I don't like SB's vote on him because 1) I'm leaning town on CF7 and 2) SB's attack on him is kinda lacking imo. He points out a lot of stuff that shows the CF7 has given out a few very basic reads and thinks Shadormio is scummy, but how does that make CF7 scummy? From reading SB's post I'd almost expect him to vote Serela instead of CF7, so I'm wary about the focus on a relatively new player.

Vhaltz makes a point of presenting my convo with Conq as a slapfight which confuses me. However he does bring up one good point and it's that Conq didn't really mention anything about him reconsidering his Val handwave when it happened.

Conq, hey, if I claimed that you overreacted to Vhaltzotsuki's case, you'd understand, right? It's lovely that your rebuttal is an explanation of how protown your play is and how they dare to not see it. (yes I know it's not all, but it's in there) You definitely could've fooled me that you were going to vote them just from your posts up to #109 so for #110 to announce that you *actually are* is what.

And yeah sorry Conq, #117 consolidates with a lot of my own thoughts on ED1. Most notably that Scum!Validon just wouldn't gain much from "whiteknighting" if it was the actual motive, and if it wasn't it was likely to come from both alignments as I've already said. It's weird that, in your reply to the case, you still give considerable weight to your Validon press when that shouldn't be the case. I don't think you'd have stuck with this for so (relatively) long as town.

Scum don't have to look to gain anything from "whiteknighting"; it's fake content to make them seen townie that may or may not come with other benefits. The only reason I keep giving weight to my Validon press is because you people keep bringing it up; I've stated multiple times that I wanted to see Validon's response to my statement but now that he's replaced out WE'LL NEVER KNOW.
BT I don't get your vote what are you doing.

[Conqueror]

Also I wouldn't understand if you said I overreacted to Vhaltz/Mitsuki's case because when I see a case based on bad logic/premises, especially if it's on me, I tear it down.

Saying that I was talking about how protown my play and how dare people not see it my way is unfair because I try not to be that kind of player. But if someone says something I did is totally scum motivated and I absolutely know they're wrong then yes I am going to explain why I did something the way I did because that's my duty unless I'm a jester.

About not initially wanting to vote Vhaltz/Mitsuki, it's because I've always had a reflexive urge to vote anyone to makes a bad case on me (see every game of mine ever) so I have to hold back the urge to lynch someone into oblivion to think about whether I think they're actually scum or not.

[Conqueror]

Okay, I found a thread of discussion which will hopefully be productive.

And yeah sorry Conq, #117 consolidates with a lot of my own thoughts on ED1.

What about #117 do you like, in your own words?

[Vhaltz]

If your case is barely ED1 strong why are clutching to it like a drowning man being tossed a lifeline? You seem pretty sure about it to me.

What should I do then? Not pursue any cases in D1? I'm rarely convinced that my cases hit scum but if I think there's chances I'll go for it and it's what I have now. I want to think this is frustration speaking and I'll point out that you shouldn't take this personally beyond the game.

Your case on me is literally that I didn't mention discarding this meta when I revoted Validon, but that doesn't even matter at all because the meta point I brought up was "something Validon did that was scummy could be a null tell." Yes, but that still makes it something scummy that he did. I initially stayed away from voting Validon because I thought his behavior would be alignment irrelevant and opted to vote Serela instead. Once I didn't feel comfortable with a Serela vote anymore, I decided that the meta point wasn't enough for me to avoid a Validon vote over Serela, and in any case I wanted clarification from him.

This may have been obvious in your head but not in-thread (sick rhymes). No really, this isn't as obvious from thread perspective as you're making it out to be and this is why I value clarity the most when it comes to mafia, I'm fairly sure I'm not the only one who has understood the whole thing this way so I don't think I'm being the issue here. I could see this being a misunderstanding but I could also see it as scum trying to bullshit his way out of a screw-up. Not that I know much of your scum meta but Mitsuki and BT are correct when pointing out that you're overreacting.

Whether or not I'm right about that point, there's more to the case (and you're shrinking down my case to point 1 when I stated two points, later addressing point 2 which means you're aware that it exists, are you twisting my words to make my case look more waveable for spectators not in the slapfight?). You're understanding my comment on "restating of the whiteknighting" as referring to a post that came later in the game than the one I'm referring to which is your revote post (#79). I pointed out that the content regarding Validon in that post read like filler for a scum-motivated vote, part of the reason being that I didn't understand the pursuit of the question.

I have to admit I completely forgot that there was a second question in your #37, so I'm not sure how well my case stands after that. Despite that, I agree with BT's points regarding how you've been replying to our case (rage/overreaction call Endymion to memory rather than last game's town!Conq) so I don't know. It's late and I'll have to reread everything again to decide with these details in mind so I guess I'll have to postpone judgement until tomorrow.

[Conqueror]

What should I do then? Not pursue any cases in D1? I'm rarely convinced that my cases hit scum but if I think there's chances I'll go for it and it's what I have now. I want to think this is frustration speaking and I'll point out that you shouldn't take this personally beyond the game.

I didn't say that, but there's a disconnect between the way you're trying to downplay your case and how convinced of it you seem to be, which is what I'm pointing out.

This may have been obvious in your head but not in-thread (sick rhymes). No really, this isn't as obvious from thread perspective as you're making it out to be and this is why I value clarity the most when it comes to mafia, I'm fairly sure I'm not the only one who has understood the whole thing this way so I don't think I'm being the issue here. I could see this being a misunderstanding but I could also see it as scum trying to bullshit his way out of a screw-up.

Actually, I think it is? It's being buried in this mess of words so I don't think anyone else is really understanding what we're saying, but if you look at my posts, I was looking at Validon at Serela, I went for Serela first, didn't like that anymore, and went for Validon afterwards based on my earlier statements. I didn't restate my reasoning on Validon because, as I said. it was mostly a gut feeling and a desire for clarification, and Validon had made one post. By the standards you're pushing, nothing I could have said at the time would have been good enough reasoning. I didn't restate my earlier (weak) reasoning because I knew it was weak but it was the best thing I had at the time. I wanted to avoid what's going on now, because now that I've tried to clarify on what I was trying to say at the time you and BT are all like "you're making this case more than it is." But the only reason I talked more about it was because you asked me to clarify on what I wanted to say, and I did. All I wanted was a response from Validon, but he had to be a jerk and go off playing LoT instead. The way you keep trying to paint this as scum trying to bullshit his way out of a screw-up is why I don't like the way you're approaching the case. You've come to the conclusion that I'm scum and are presenting all my posts through that lens. If I did that I could bullshit a case on anyone in the game.

Whether or not I'm right about that point, there's more to the case (and you're shrinking down my case to point 1 when I stated two points, later addressing point 2 which means you're aware that it exists, are you twisting my words to make my case look more waveable for spectators not in the slapfight?).

If I addressed both your points I'm not shrinking your case down at all. >_> I reply to posts in chunks because I don't like really big posts. How is that twisting your words at all, like what?

You're understanding my comment on "restating of the whiteknighting" as referring to a post that came later in the game than the one I'm referring to which is your revote post (#79). I pointed out that the content regarding Validon in that post read like filler for a scum-motivated vote, part of the reason being that I didn't understand the pursuit of the question.

I don't know what you're trying to say here. It's a lose-lose situation; either I post reasoning and it's filler or I don't post reasoning and it's a scummy blank vote. I've already stated why I decided to explain my vote the way I did. In any case it's nice that you acknowledge that you completely misread my question because that explains why I couldn't make any sense of your earlier query. >_>

Despite that, I agree with BT's points regarding how you've been replying to our case (rage/overreaction call Endymion to memory rather than last game's town!Conq) so I don't know. It's late and I'll have to reread everything again to decide with these details in mind so I guess I'll have to postpone judgement until tomorrow.

Actually, if you want actually comparable meta, check out any game where I've been attacked as town (like Pictures of Birds, Path of Radiance, Micro 31); what you're associating with Endymion and scum!Conq is alignment irrelevant. I wouldn't exactly call it rage (it's more like blinding bloodlust) but it's an unfortunate character flaw of mine that I've been trying to cut down on.

[Conqueror]

I mean, hell, if you're going to use meta, at least use it right. >_>

Also, where the hell is everyone? Shadoweh, rereading NNR shouldn't take this long.

Serela stop avoiding the thread.

[Serela]

There's a few pages for me to catch up with, so this post has a lot of more minor pokes and whatever, but I'll try to keep it from getting too bloated. Anyway; keeping NNR vote. His observations in #60 are silly, in the line of "that's not what's actually going on" (Not including his first miniparagraph) and in addition to already stated reasons calling out Dormio's vote was silly, there's also the fact that the game was currently still more or less in RVS, and voting me for L-1'ing them was better then almost any other vote on the table at the time.

The whole BT/Conq slapfight is weird because there seems to be intent on both sides to keep the slapfight to a minimum

Thank god, do you realize how pointless those things usually are? At the very least, ones that are occurring in D1. It generates a ton of noise that's hard to read through and generally doesn't even give much useful insight.

There are also Serela's vote which has no reasoning to it at all

The Validon wagon was silly. NNR didn't even have the credit of starting it, but rather, jumped on. Conq at least was voting Validon with the intent of having Vali answer a few questions he had, which isn't so bad. So, out of the three voting him... yeah.

This VhaltzMitz/Conq stuff is too much for me. It's walls and walls and walls of ED1 shenanigans. What happened to the content/meaningfulness ratio at least actually making sense during d1? D:

and outing a townread on Shadoweh for some reason that he hasn't even explained.

Huh? Did I do this? I can't remember :T

SB's post looks fine at a glance but his actual desires of who to vote seem kinda bleh, aka the Prims shenanigan and voting CF.

Okay, now that I've almost caught up,
##Unvote NNR
His later post looks better. (I still have to re-weigh all the options, but yeah)

when this is barely scratching the surface of the reasoning behind my Conq case (which is barely ED1 strong as it is so this should not be hard).

Oh my god I'm going to cry. You say this when you're making wall after wall after wall about Conq. I'm going to read other people's posts instead. :c It's important though, so can you try to make a concise summary of your case on Conq? Like, a list of bulletpoints? PLEASE.

Okay, I'm getting lost in here. (Sorry if I'm overly complaining about walls)

ShadOrmio, Conq, VhaltMits, could you try to explain your voting priorities at the moment? That thing I said earlier about slapfights, there's so much noise going on in the thread it's hard to actually organize what the hell is going on. I don't just mean your current vote, but anyone else whom you actually might consider worth voting too, because opinions are important and super relevant.

[Conqueror]

I'll consider voting you if you don't provide something other than "help me pls who do you guys suspect"  :V

If it helps you with the walls just read from the last page and work backwards, because most of the earlier walls are invalidated by what comes afterwards.

SB's post looks fine at a glance but his actual desires of who to vote seem kinda bleh, aka the Prims shenanigan and voting CF.

Could you explain what you mean by this? Also, what did you want to say about BT yesterday (I asked you right before you went away so you probably missed it).

[Shadoweh]

ajufdigjdfuigjd this is what I get for not using notepad, now I don't even remember what I had typed up ;-;

Vhaltzuki: I'm mostly reading your huge posts, but in one paragraph or less can you show me the parts where Conq used rage to outright ignore your arguments instead of answering your accusations? That's what he did as Endymion, used how dare you to guilt me into forgetting what I asked in the first place. I think Conq has been posting fine myself. I honestly think you should both just stop. Take a breather and address the like five posts by people who aren't you two, without breaking back into a wallfest at each other.

BT: I didn't realize you were voting Vhaltz at first, I had to go back and check because it was a kind of reasonless post. I don't think you needed to spend as many words as you did defending unvoting them in the first place. Then again, you did have to justify jumping onto the other camp from your perspective. It's weird because you talk about how you can understand where Conq is coming from wrt: being misrepped about things he said about Val being on NNR, but you jump on him anyways. Most of all I disagree with pressing Validon being scummy, because making one weird post then lurking because he doesn't know what to say is what I'd expect scum!Validon to do. He ended up replacing out, but it doesn't change th suspicions of the time. Tell me what you think of Neko right now since you have voting thoughts towards him, but I'm not sure how strong you feel about them.

Also SB's vote on CF7 isn't that great because CF7 is like bby's first townie, since when did we count undisclosed mafia experience elsewhere as actual mafia experience?

I swear I've read Neko's posts, I'm just not sure what to say about them. Don't make me want to unvote him, but not enough people are interacting with him for me to feel he's being pressured to say not say anything. 

Cut 4 times: GO TO HELL

[Shadoweh]

tl;dr conq and vhaltz are collecting votes for beng loud and fighting and being the only things for people to analyze so they should stop fting

[Serela]

I'll consider voting you if you don't provide something other than "help me pls who do you guys suspect"

How am I gonna figure out who to vote if I can hardly even tell what half of the other players are doing >:c

D1 walls to this degree are beyond unnecessary. It bloats the thread with overanalysis of things that are being given more attention then they're actually worth.

DON'T DODGE MY QUESTIONS EITHER D: If you think I'm gonna steal your cases just call me out if I actually do so where it's a legitimate point rather then fear-mongering about the possibility to avoid responding!


About SB:Despite how much your slot's been talking, all he has to say about it is on the ridiculous shenanigan from Prims really early in the game, something which was also almost immediately invalidated by the other players and also HW's removal from the game

tl;dr conq and vhaltz are collecting votes for beng loud and fighting and being the only things for people to analyze so they should stop fting

this marks at least a third of the players in the game declaring this stuff as silly