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Re: Touhou 14 - 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character released!
« Reply #480 on: August 18, 2013, 07:10:02 PM »
One thing I found a lot of fun:

So, you fight Benben if you're A, and Reclining-tan if you're B. But once you unlock them both, in Spell Practice, you can fight them with A or B. Kind of neat to see how the Koto Girl does against A (spoiler:
Spoiler:
not very well
).

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Re: Touhou 14 - 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character released!
« Reply #481 on: August 18, 2013, 07:31:53 PM »
One thing I found a lot of fun:

So, you fight Benben if you're A, and Reclining-tan if you're B. But once you unlock them both, in Spell Practice, you can fight them with A or B. Kind of neat to see how the Koto Girl does against A (spoiler:
Spoiler:
not very well
).
He should've did it for the whole stage like in IN.

Meh the Extra and ExBoss themes in my opinion seem overrated...  They aren't that great to me... Nothing to really make them noteworthy...
Though I do like Benben & Yatsuhashi's theme mainly the haunting feeling of it.
Seija I love because it reminds me of Rigid Paradise, my favorite song from TD.
Oh I see. Though I kinda disagree with the overrated part. Benben and Yatsuhashi's theme just doesn't click with me. It's not bad but nothing noteworthy over the other songs.

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Re: Touhou 14 - 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character released!
« Reply #482 on: August 18, 2013, 10:57:30 PM »
credits theme
Gives you a "fuck yeah i bombspammed beated 2hu14" feeling, but I won't take it over
Spoiler:
Sky Dream
yet

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Re: Touhou 14 - 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character released!
« Reply #483 on: August 18, 2013, 11:03:38 PM »
I encountered a humorous glitch with Seija's spell, "Reverse Sign "This Side Down". This is the spell where she shoots purple orbs and flips the screen upside-down.
Right after I started this spell, my dad came into the room and told me to clean my room. I was cleaning least an hour, and, as it does, the computer went into sleep mode.
When I come back and turn on the computer again, A.) TH14 was still running and B.) The screen had been flipped the right way again, despite the fact that I hadn't completed the spell.
Unfortunately, I am a very bad Touhou player and wasn't able to save a replay, but I was hoping someone could recreate the glitch again.

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« Reply #484 on: August 19, 2013, 12:26:11 AM »
I encountered a humorous glitch with Seija's spell, "Reverse Sign "This Side Down". This is the spell where she shoots purple orbs and flips the screen upside-down.
Right after I started this spell, my dad came into the room and told me to clean my room. I was cleaning least an hour, and, as it does, the computer went into sleep mode.
When I come back and turn on the computer again, A.) TH14 was still running and B.) The screen had been flipped the right way again, despite the fact that I hadn't completed the spell.
Unfortunately, I am a very bad Touhou player and wasn't able to save a replay, but I was hoping someone could recreate the glitch again.

Did you apply the new patch in the game. I think that there was one glitch about "canceling Seija's spellcard effect by using Alt+Tab" or something like.
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Re: Touhou 14 - 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character released!
« Reply #485 on: August 19, 2013, 01:31:01 AM »
So, all the talk about Kobito being translated as dwarf made me have ideas for "Snow Whiterock and the (9) Kobitos"
Featuring:
Snow Whiterock - Letty
Mirror - Seija
Evil Queen - Yukari
Hunter - Reimu
Prince - Marisa
Kobito #1 - Sukuna
Kobito #2 - Cirno
Kobito #3 - Rumia
Kobito #4 - Wriggle
Kobito #5 - Daiyousei
Kobito #6 - Aki
Kobito #7 - Mystia
Kobito #8 - Kyouko
Kobito #9 - Yuuka

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« Reply #486 on: August 19, 2013, 06:55:02 AM »
Interesting to see people mentioning how they like Stage 5 a lot, but nobody pointing out it has a very clear and obvious melody inspired Komachi's theme for quite the length. Stage 4 boss theme has a small part which resembles/inspires from our classic Menu songs and IN stg 4.


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Re: Touhou 14 - 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character released!
« Reply #487 on: August 19, 2013, 07:06:51 AM »
Oh it resembles Komachi's theme, Ultimate Truth too. And some others, but it meshes them well. Futo may as well watch and learn.
 
Figured out what I find disappointing about Shinmyoumaru's theme - there's no memorable meldey whatsoever. In fact, it's pretty much a dumbed down version of the stage portion's. It's like the relationship between Yuyuko's theme and RB's background rave party.
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Re: Touhou 14 - 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character released!
« Reply #488 on: August 19, 2013, 07:25:40 AM »
Figured out what I find disappointing about Shinmyoumaru's theme - there's no memorable meldey whatsoever. In fact, it's pretty much a dumbed down version of the stage portion's.

THANK YOU! Someone who else feels like that! Though not "dumbed down". I'd say it's more serious, but it's just the stage theme essentially.
(Hence why I think it's overrated along with Extra stage/boss, and that's for the first reason)

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Re: Touhou 14 - 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character released!
« Reply #489 on: August 19, 2013, 07:39:47 AM »
Final boss's theme is all atmosphere with no melody. Much like Miko's. It's almost like it's just repeating the first two seconds of the PoDD menu theme.

And I still hear Power of Darkness in Seija's theme.

And Enter Sandman at the start of stage 1.

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« Reply #490 on: August 19, 2013, 07:51:02 AM »
Final boss's theme is all atmosphere with no melody. Much like Miko's. It's almost like it's just repeating the first two seconds of the PoDD menu theme.

And I still hear Power of Darkness in Seija's theme.

And Enter Sandman at the start of stage 1.
...i'm dying

It really is PoDD holy god.

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Re: Touhou 14 - 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character released!
« Reply #491 on: August 19, 2013, 07:51:33 AM »
Komachi's theme for quite the length.
It's only 7 notes.

In fact, it's pretty much a dumbed down version of the stage portion's
Uh, the stage theme is literally just the first minute of the boss version, and the latter has way better impact and flow.
Heck, even the ending theme shits on the stage theme.

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« Reply #492 on: August 19, 2013, 09:13:30 AM »
It's only 7 notes.
Not just 7 notes. 7 notes exactly forming the melody for a part and repeated quite often to flow closely to the bgm. Though logically the melody spins around in its own sense because that is whay ZUN is good at.

But hey we've been through songs sounding similar before. Except there is a difference between farfetch'd resemblance and "this is noticeable for the common ears" thing. Mind you.

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Re: Touhou 14 - 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character released!
« Reply #493 on: August 19, 2013, 09:33:35 AM »
That bit was repeated only once before the song moves on to the trumpet phase. This is already a different melody altogether. You might as well say any 7-note melody with the same tempo is a derivation of Higan Retour.

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Re: Touhou 14 - 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character released!
« Reply #494 on: August 19, 2013, 10:31:53 AM »
Disappointing is the lack of boss silhouette on extra stages backgrounds. I miss backgrounds like Mokou's round face.
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Re: Touhou 14 - 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character released!
« Reply #495 on: August 19, 2013, 10:46:39 AM »
Final boss's theme is all atmosphere with no melody. Much like Miko's.
True, but I feel like the melody is alot more powerful than Miko's theme, while still being beautiful. (I don't really hate Miko's theme, but it's not really my favorite theme, even in TD.)
Atleast to me.
Figured out what I find disappointing about Shinmyoumaru's theme - there's no memorable meldey whatsoever.
Agreed. I really liked the piano/drum part, but after that, it sounds too messy. I wish zun would have built up the dark and interesting parts, instead of what sounds to me as random trumpets.

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Re: Touhou 14 - 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character released!
« Reply #496 on: August 19, 2013, 10:57:10 AM »
Are you sure they're random? The part after the piano+drum doesn't have just trumpets; you need headphones to make out the layer underneath it.
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« Reply #497 on: August 19, 2013, 11:24:48 AM »
Final boss's theme is all atmosphere with no melody.
Wow, I could not disagree more. "No melody"? How catchy it is probably varies from person to person, but I've been whistling that song all day yesterday. Trust me, it has several melodies.

The musical duo's theme, however ...

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« Reply #498 on: August 19, 2013, 12:09:46 PM »
Are you sure they're random? The part after the piano+drum doesn't have just trumpets; you need headphones to make out the layer underneath it.
Well ofcourse they're not entirely random and while I can sense some piano/drum similair beat in the background of the intense trumpets, I still feel like it loses it's harmony after the 2 minute mark when I listen to it.

Sukuna's theme is simply beautiful. Just the melody itself is grand, which shows already in the stage 6 theme, which probably makes it my favorite stage theme in DDC as well, next to the stage 2 theme. It has a melody, even if not too complex.

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Re: Touhou 14 - 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character released!
« Reply #499 on: August 19, 2013, 12:46:07 PM »
Come on guys, stating your opinions is one thing, but making statements like this:
Final boss's theme is all atmosphere with no melody.
Which are blatantly passing an opinion as a fact, when it's quite obvious that it's a subjective thing (as Tengu showed), will lead us nowhere.
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« Reply #500 on: August 19, 2013, 02:35:09 PM »
That bit was repeated only once before the song moves on to the trumpet phase. This is already a different melody altogether. You might as well say any 7-note melody with the same tempo is a derivation of Higan Retour.
Correct me if I am wrong. Isn't that the point of hearing resembles in pieces of songs? When a piece of melody sounds similar to another song, that is obviously going to be picked up as a resembles or inspired derivation of a theme. Or are you going to say all the classic menu songs are different melody?

Edit: Never mind actually . . .
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« Reply #501 on: August 19, 2013, 02:43:58 PM »
He just means that only a small part of the song resembles Komachi's theme so it's in no way a "derivation".

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« Reply #502 on: August 19, 2013, 03:10:40 PM »
Which are blatantly passing an opinion as a fact, when it's quite obvious that it's a subjective thing (as Tengu showed), will lead us nowhere.
I think it can be assumed that when someone's talking about music, he's stating his opinion. Naturally I don't mean the song literally has no melody in it (which is inconceivable to begin with). I'm saying it's far less melodic, or at least has less melodic variety, than your average Touhou boss theme. The melody near the beginning is nice but midway through (at the PoDD part, if you will) it becomes extremely repetitive.

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« Reply #503 on: August 19, 2013, 03:57:24 PM »
It's what you think, yes. I, on the other hand, think it's as varied as normal for a boss theme. Look at Mokou's theme, or Utsuho's, or Miko's, or Suwako's; they all have a lot of repetition.

See, my problem is not that you think the song is not as good as others. My problem is when people just come and say "I don't understand why people say song x is so good it's so overrated". I mean for heaven's sake, what do you want? For most people to not like the music because you don't? Because that's the impression this kind of comment gives me. "I don't enjoy it, so people that do don't know as much about music/don't have a taste as refined as me". It just comes across as very pretentious, even if it wasn't your intention.
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« Reply #504 on: August 19, 2013, 05:24:40 PM »
You got all that from that one comment? Bwahahaha, this is too good

btw the song is garbage

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« Reply #505 on: August 19, 2013, 05:29:16 PM »
No need to deliberately stir shit, chum.

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« Reply #506 on: August 19, 2013, 05:30:14 PM »
You got all that from that one comment? Bwahahaha, this is too good

btw the song is garbage
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« Reply #507 on: August 19, 2013, 05:34:51 PM »
No need to deliberately stir shit, chum.

It's much easier to just face the other direction, sure, but how could "Final boss's theme is all atmosphere with no melody." possibly translate to all that stuff the other guy ranted about


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« Reply #508 on: August 19, 2013, 05:39:40 PM »
It wasn't that I was refering too. I was refering to the kind of comment that says" x song is overrated" as a fact, which was made previously on the thread.
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Re: Touhou 14 - 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character released!
« Reply #509 on: August 19, 2013, 05:41:13 PM »
So you know what song I like? The title theme! Isn't the title theme great? It's possibly supplanted MoF's title theme as my favorite of the non-fighter title themes! Aren't ZUN's songs wonderful?
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