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Re: Touhou 14 - 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character released!
« Reply #450 on: August 17, 2013, 11:34:29 PM »
It's like with any other touhou game: The more you listen to the themes, the more you like them. At least, that's the case for me. ;)

I can say for certain that my tastes in different songs do change over time. But my favorite songs from the series are the ones that weave a patchwork landscape together across stages. 5 and 6 of PCB, and 4 through Ex of IN come to mind. In DDC, for me it's 4 through 6. They are seamless, and build on a compositional theme to a perfect conclusion.

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Re: Touhou 14 - 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character released!
« Reply #451 on: August 18, 2013, 12:05:07 AM »
Of the first 3 stages, I found Willow and Bamboo Forest the most catchy. Fish's theme has a pretty good chorus in exchange for the horrendous intro. Stage 1 and 2 are just so-so. Not really digging the wolf's theme also; sounds too incomplete and "video game". Everything from 4 to the credits theme is fantastic. Mildly disappointed at the S6 theme though; it isn't bad, but it could've been different.
Extra stage sounds nice (especially the midboss part), but it's still a serious step down. Pristine Beat could've been a great song if it didn't have the extremely wonky melody around the middle.

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Re: Touhou 14 - 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character released!
« Reply #452 on: August 18, 2013, 12:41:25 AM »
I was talking about the touhouwiki, not the patch. I was speaking as someone who just edits the wiki sometimes, not as anyone with authority. The patch uses dwarf, which I hate. I'm not connected to it at all, sorry.
Huh?

I've been playing using this patch and it uses Kobito everywhere.

Also, Tengukami; have you been using the shortcut generated by the patching software, or the direct .exe? It only runs the changes with the shortcut it gives you, which in my experience is generated in wherever your thcrap.exe stuff is.
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Re: Touhou 14 - 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character released!
« Reply #453 on: August 18, 2013, 12:47:31 AM »
I've been playing using this patch and it uses Kobito everywhere.

Well, it is a wiki-based patch. Change is to be expected. I last played it several days ago.

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Re: Touhou 14 - 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character released!
« Reply #454 on: August 18, 2013, 01:03:14 AM »
Also, Tengukami; have you been using the shortcut generated by the patching software, or the direct .exe? It only runs the changes with the shortcut it gives you, which in my experience is generated in wherever your thcrap.exe stuff is.
Yep, it's using the shortcut that gives me boxes instead of Japanese, and nothing else. It's all good, I'll wait for a hard patch. Or just use the wiki.

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Re: Touhou 14 - 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character released!
« Reply #455 on: August 18, 2013, 01:22:29 AM »
I love every theme of this game except the Extra stage and boss's theme.
Stage 1: It makes me feel like you are back in a familiar lake or body of water.
Boss 1: The stage and boss theme makes me feel confused with the flat notes.
Stage 2: Sounds like good old music back from 6-8. Sounds nice.
Boss 2: Not very fond of the intro, but the chorus can get stuck in your head.
Stage 3: It complements the stage in that it is hectic and chaotic, a feel of rushing comes to me.
Boss 3: This is a chaotic song like the boss. It also has a mysterious feel to it. Not a calm one either.
Stage 4: This sounds like a storm is creating music. The fast notes throughout the song sound like the thunder, and the drums are the rain. Very atmospheric.
Boss 4: Very menacing and serious sounding. And the density of this boss fight fits the music. The happy solo piano part also shows that it's also to have fun.
Stage 5: I love the beginning with its eeriness. And than the xylophones come and I get reminded of Higan Tour. The echo also describes the atmosphere really well. The chorus is very cheerful yet menacing.
Boss 5: This song is so creepy. Reminds me of Heian Alien so much.
Stage 6: The anticipation of the final boss is strong. This piece rushes you and increases your anticipation. My favorite piece of this whole game and is high in my list of favorite songs.
Boss 6: I thought this piece was worse because the stage 6 theme set high expectations. I didn't really like the parts outside of the chorus because they rely on a guitar that doesn't really have a meledy. It's still a great song, just not as good as the stage theme.
Stage Ex: The storm is back to create a menacing piece. Everything is chaotic and fast. But it doesn't get stuck in your head easily.
Boss Ex: Very Taiko-like and is kind of eerie. The slight menacing and chaotic feel also adds to the song. The drums are the highlight of this song which fits perfectly. I prefer melody instead of beats though.

I really love the stage 6 theme. Might be my second favorite stage 6 theme, making The Young Descendantof Tepes third. Fires of Hokkai is still the best though.
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Re: Touhou 14 - 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character released!
« Reply #456 on: August 18, 2013, 01:39:18 AM »
I love every theme of this game except the Extra stage and boss's theme.
lolwut? It's the best song in the game.

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« Reply #457 on: August 18, 2013, 01:53:11 AM »
A few spell cards reminds me of some video's by yuke. Especially one of Raiko's spell card.

Anyway, at first the music sounded somewhat lame, but a few cathes my attention. Namely, stage 4, Benben/Yatsuhashi's, stage 5 and Raiko's themes. Final boss and extra stage theme still sound extremely boring though. Especially the extra stage theme, it sounds so Marine Benefit-ish. And I hate the music from that game.

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Re: Touhou 14 - 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character released!
« Reply #458 on: August 18, 2013, 02:59:16 AM »
The only songs I don't like is the ending theme and the stage 4 boss. Personal favs are stage 4, Raiko's theme and Sukuna's theme.

Re: Touhou 14 - 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character released!
« Reply #459 on: August 18, 2013, 04:05:33 AM »
Raiko's theme is amazing. It's obviously the best song in the game, although it still needs more drums instead of pointing this out in music comments :ohdear:
Stage 3 theme is still awesome as ever, but stage 4 theme and stage 6 boss theme is cool too.

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Re: Touhou 14 - 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character released!
« Reply #460 on: August 18, 2013, 04:38:17 AM »
Raiko's theme is amazing. It's obviously the best song in the game, although it still needs more drums instead of pointing this out in music comments :ohdear:
Stage 3 theme is still awesome as ever, but stage 4 theme and stage 6 boss theme is cool too.

I am waiting warmly for a Raiko's theme cover by a real Taiko band :)
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Re: Touhou 14 - 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character released!
« Reply #461 on: August 18, 2013, 05:20:35 AM »
Extra stage sounds nice (especially the midboss part), but it's still a serious step down.

This so much.

This game's music is amazing, especially stage 5 theme and its boss theme, Seija's theme is sooo catchy, but ever since the awesomeness that was Last Remote and UFO Romance, I've been looking forward to the extra stage theme the most in every game but extra stages themes post-GFW just wasn't nearly as good, not that I'm saying they're bad though.

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Re: Touhou 14 - 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character released!
« Reply #462 on: August 18, 2013, 05:31:37 AM »
So who's more evil now? Seija or Seiga? :V
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Re: Touhou 14 - 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character released!
« Reply #463 on: August 18, 2013, 06:40:26 AM »
Seiga has a spellcard that uses fetuses as danmaku

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Re: Touhou 14 - 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character released!
« Reply #464 on: August 18, 2013, 06:48:52 AM »
I think Last Remote is the worst Extra tune and love TD's to death, and I'm not being hipster at all. This extra theme is really good and, if anything, Raiko's and 4 Boss's theme needs some serious work. Especially 4 Boss's. I had false hope that maybe Benben's theme would be different until v1.00b came out.

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Re: Touhou 14 - 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character released!
« Reply #465 on: August 18, 2013, 06:59:01 AM »
This so much.

This game's music is amazing, especially stage 5 theme and its boss theme, Seija's theme is sooo catchy, but ever since the awesomeness that was Last Remote and UFO Romance, I've been looking forward to the extra stage theme the most in every game but extra stages themes post-GFW just wasn't nearly as good, not that I'm saying they're bad though.

I dunno. I love the TD Extra stage theme.

That said, out of those three, TD's Extra theme is the only one I've heard in-game too.


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Re: Touhou 14 - 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character released!
« Reply #466 on: August 18, 2013, 07:41:01 AM »
Yep, it's using the shortcut that gives me boxes instead of Japanese, and nothing else. It's all good, I'll wait for a hard patch. Or just use the wiki.
I guess you don't really care if this soft patch will work or not but I'm still interested to help you and make it work.
After you configured the patch, was there anything translated? For example, difficulty choices or info panel on the right which are done in hard images and should work.
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Re: Touhou 14 - 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character released!
« Reply #467 on: August 18, 2013, 09:23:56 AM »
Well, I didn't think that the extra stage theme was bad in this game, I actually liked it, even if I wouldn't compare it to my favorites, UFO Romance and Extend Ash.
Raiko's theme had a really good atmosphere and the drum/piano bit was really good, but I feel like the zunpet (?) part was average and compared to some other ex-boss themes, it could have been more outstanding. My taste really.
My favorite boss themes are probably Seijas, Sukunas and Kagerous. Wasakagihimes and the Tsukumos theme sounded a bit dull/repetitive to me. Sekibankis theme is the same case for me as Raikos theme, it sounds really good actually, but not that amazing after I listened to it alot.
Of the stage themes, I probably liked the extra stage, stage 6 and stage 2 themes the most. I dunno about the others, since I can't remember them that well.
Overall really good soundtrack imo, with Sukunas theme as my absolute favorite.

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Re: Touhou 14 - 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character released!
« Reply #468 on: August 18, 2013, 09:29:31 AM »
Thanks Edible for spawning the thread, just returned from holidays.

Boy, a quick run through easy mode made me get a good luck at this game. I'll try to write an expanded article soon when I recover from the trip and read upon all the information provided by the folks. Please watch warmly.

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Re: Touhou 14 - 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character released!
« Reply #469 on: August 18, 2013, 09:44:41 AM »
Hey, wait a sec, people. Kobito... Doesn't that sound a bit like... Hobbit? Yeah, I know, these are different words even in Japanese. But, given how much Tolkien "borrowed" from other mythologies, could he have used this word as a base for his "hobbits"? Interesting.

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Re: Touhou 14 - 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character released!
« Reply #470 on: August 18, 2013, 11:16:36 AM »
Hey, wait a sec, people. Kobito... Doesn't that sound a bit like... Hobbit? Yeah, I know, these are different words even in Japanese. But, given how much Tolkien "borrowed" from other mythologies, could he have used this word as a base for his "hobbits"? Interesting.
The story goes that Tolkien was bored out of his mind one day grading papers when he wrote "Once in a hole there lived a hobbit" on one such paper. Tolkien was keen about ancient English and Norse mythology, but east Asian traditions, not so much. Also, Japan was a closed society engaged in a war of aggression at the time he started drafting The Hobbit.

So, unlikely. But fun to consider.

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Re: Touhou 14 - 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character released!
« Reply #471 on: August 18, 2013, 01:13:57 PM »
We can now add "Sukuna using the hammer again" and "Seija reversing things" to the Touhou Explanation TemplateTM.

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Re: Touhou 14 - 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character released!
« Reply #472 on: August 18, 2013, 01:34:06 PM »
Boy, a quick run through easy mode made me get a good luck at this game.
Yep, just 1cc'd with Reimu A in Easy Mode. I like the new closing credits!

Extra, I haven't been able to crack so easily, naturally, because it's not like there's an Easy Mode for Extra. But what I've seen of Extra so far, I really enjoy.
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Re: Touhou 14 - 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character released!
« Reply #473 on: August 18, 2013, 01:48:11 PM »
One thing I forgot: Kagerou's last spell card on E/N. The chance of it being intended to be "Stirling Pounce" is low (for the basis of this translation, see the wiki). The reason is: to the Japanese, the place Stirling is too obscure, and its legend of being saved by a wolf significantly more so. Through google, I can find zero Japanese reference to this story, not even on Stirling's Japanese wikipedia entry. For ZUN to know it, it would have to be through reading a book, and I don't think it's something notable enough to be included in anything he would read. Then there's the trebuchet "Warwolf" which is less relevant, and again, not something ZUN is likely to read about. When he makes Western cultural references, they have always been things that are well-known in Japan, rather than anything extremely in-depth. Famous musical instrument makers? Totally the kind of thing a well-educated Japanese is supposed to know.

(For the same reason, the theory that "Bucuresti's Doll Maker" references the picture book of similar name is unlikely, as that book doesn't appear to be well-known in Japan.)

The remaining possibilities are "Starling", "Sterling" and "Star Ring". Given that she has another card with "Star" in name and the H/L version is named "Sirius", it's probably meant to be "Star Ring Pounce".
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Re: Touhou 14 - 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character released!
« Reply #474 on: August 18, 2013, 02:42:24 PM »
Yep, just 1cc'd with Reimu A in Easy Mode. I like the new closing credits!

Spoiler:
ZUN (173cm).
  :V

BTW that Kii-san that appears on the staff roll is ZUN's wife?
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« Reply #475 on: August 18, 2013, 02:44:01 PM »
Spoiler:
ZUN (173cm).
  :V
that is a bald-faced lie

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« Reply #476 on: August 18, 2013, 05:19:17 PM »
I don't know if he's 173 cm high, but I'd like to know what exactly is this joke referencing. I only understand it has to with Attack on Titan, and he wrote "body length: 173 cm", a term for animals, instead of human's "height".
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Re: Touhou 14 - 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character released!
« Reply #477 on: August 18, 2013, 05:37:53 PM »
A few spell cards reminds me of some video's by yuke. Especially one of Raiko's spell card.

Anyway, at first the music sounded somewhat lame, but a few cathes my attention. Namely, stage 4, Benben/Yatsuhashi's, stage 5 and Raiko's themes. Final boss and extra stage theme still sound extremely boring though. Especially the extra stage theme, it sounds so Marine Benefit-ish. And I hate the music from that game.

Which spellcard and where in the video? i can't seem to see the spellcard :P
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Re: Touhou 14 - 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character released!
« Reply #478 on: August 18, 2013, 06:01:33 PM »
Which spellcard and where in the video? i can't seem to see the spellcard :P
Probably death drum (having the screen and bullets shaking repeatedly while dodging)

Also, best credits theme?  Best credits theme.  Even better than EoSD's in my opinion, and I loved that one so much.  But Mysterious Exorcism/Purification Rod was such an amazing theme, so hearing a remix of it sure brought a smile to my lips!  ...Especially after 1ccing the game with all that BS Sukuna puts you through. 

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Re: Touhou 14 - 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character released!
« Reply #479 on: August 18, 2013, 07:07:08 PM »
lolwut? It's the best song in the game.
Meh the Extra and ExBoss themes in my opinion seem overrated...  They aren't that great to me... Nothing to really make them noteworthy...
Though I do like Benben & Yatsuhashi's theme mainly the haunting feeling of it.
Seija I love because it reminds me of Rigid Paradise, my favorite song from TD.