Touhou 14 - 東方輝針城 ～ Double Dealing Character released!

[Sage Ω (Ultima)]

I'm still not seeing what's wrong with what we got now. Accuracy? If so then I'm pretty sure someone can compare the auto translations to the normal ones. Some, simply want to understand what the game is about with referring to wiki. If the problem is about accuracy then I doubt the understanding of the game people have after using this one would change very much from one that may be more accurate.

It's all we have atm.

[Star King]

Worst English patches are MoF's and PoFV's cause they can cause desyncs

[ultimatekd]

I've used the auto-updating patch, and even though I haven't done a full run of the game with it on, I've seen enough to say that it looks pretty good so far. It's not complete (they're saying they're going to be working on doing spell card stuff today), but they have dialogue, most menu options, and the endings done for it.

I happen to disagree. Compared to the translation at the Touhou Wiki, the one at the Touhou Patch Center seems so...stiff and literal. The translation should be coming from the Touhou Wiki instead.

[Clarste]

There are "actual translations" in the English patches. I can't think of any examples of translations in game patches that were significantly off enough to warrant a "fix".

Off the top of my head, we somehow managed to screw up "Laplace's Demon" in Hisoutensoku. Which is weird, because the only way to do that would be to both miss the reference and translate it less literally (and with unnecessary wordiness, in case you think space might have been a concern). Maybe it's cruel to nitpick, but it's a simple fact that no one's perfect, and we all miss stuff. Whether or not something is missed within the arbitrary amount of time allocated to create a patch "in one go" is more random than anything else.

I happen to disagree. Compared to the translation at the Touhou Wiki, the one at the Touhou Patch Center seems so...stiff and literal. The translation should be coming from the Touhou Wiki instead.

Honestly I feel like we should just copy-paste stuff from the wiki to the patch site. I can't really think of a reason not to except drama.

[Nimono]

So I've been watching the wiki closely to see the translations of all the text, and...

Spoiler:

Raiko's profile keeps saying she got a new "drummer". I recall reading a while ago that people were theorizing it refers to her drumsticks, but...I'm wondering, DOES IT ACTUALLY MEAN SHE TOOK OVER SOMEONE ELSE'S BODY? Considering the game seems to imply on one of the A routes that using a tsukumogami will lead to you becoming them...

EDIT: Also, regarding a subject a few pages back about Seija's spells not being that hard if you ignore the interface screw, TVTropes has an answer for you: They posit that this is intentional because she constantly implies she is one of the weaklings. It would make sense, then, for her danmaku to be weak as well, only bolstered by her gimmick. Take out the gimmick and you get a weak, pathetic youkai...

(And apparently, ZUN tries to justify that gimmick with her contrarian attitude. XD)

[Zil]

Worst English patches are MoF's and PoFV's cause they can cause desyncs

But PoFV's is insanely useful for reading the numbers! Best patch ever!

That is kind of a thing though. I wonder if you could end up with an auto-updating patch where you get a replay that only syncs on some long lost incarnation of the patch.

edit: TVtropes has nothing to do with anything.

[AJS]

Just throwing this out there: I tried the auto-updating English patch, and didn't encounter any difficulties throughout the whole game....  until I went into Spell Practice and the game started crashing like crazy.  At first I thought it was a game glitch, but I compared the vanilla and "patched" versions of the game, and it's clear that the patch makes the game go bonkers and crash about 80% of the time when using Spell Practice.  I immediately deleted the patch after that.

I don't recommend getting it.  I'd much rather wait for whoever makes the English patches for the other games to come out with one for this game--non-sketchy and stable.

[Sage Ω (Ultima)]

I don't recommend getting it.  I'd much rather wait for whoever makes the English patches for the other games to come out with one for this game--non-sketchy and stable.

I've been using the patch all day and most of the time it was in spell practice and haven't encountered a glitch or crash at all.

[Nyyl]

Yes, the crashing has been fixed recently. Using software that is still being developed for a game that came out two days ago, bugs are to be expected

[Serela]

Huh. As long as it's not crashing, considering that I've seen in a stream that the patch is pretty much finished (save accuracy fixes and other minor translation improvements, which are to be expected) apart from Music Room comments, I don't see much of a reason not to use it. It's not like I can't switch to a "hard patch" after one is released.

A lower quality translation is a lot better then zero translation, and the normal patches take a little while. I'd like to be able to read my endings at the very least, so...!

[Chuckolator]

I don't follow these things, any news on an english patch yet?

[Zil]

I don't follow these things, any news on an english patch yet?

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[Chuckolator]

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Ah, thanks. I forgot that MoTK sends you to your first unread rather than the latest, so I must have been reading page 5. <_<

[Mesarthim]

I'm fine with being unable to read a thing until the usual kind of patch comes around. In times like these for me it's the music and gameplay that matter more.

On a random note: Lul beat Lunatic finally, even if it was due to Marisa B item farming like crazy with that bomb (I wanted Reimu A or Sakuya A but with that Benben lunatic crash...)

[homing curvy laser]

A bit (or maybe really) late on the topic of Seija's difficulty, but I found her screen-flipping cards easy as well, at least once I got used to the controls (vertflip being the harder one because of diagonal bullets making it harder to avoid using up/down). Her last spell is really easy once you understand how it works and stop panicking at the rotated screen. Well, on Normal at least. Her midboss spell isn't a problem either, but the arrow spell and all of her non-spells are kind of a pain -- including her ones from stage 6. She might not be as deadly as Orin, but I don't think I'll ever forget that she's still a stage 5 boss.

As for the translation patch, I'll wait until the patch from the usual people is released, unless they gave up because of this new patch. I don't know, the idea of a self-updating patch is too revolutionary for me. patch patch patch.

[Formless God]

Welp, I always thought "Change Air Brave" sounded retarded

[Raikaria]

Get on my level.

Oh god it keeps track of this now?!

[Hatateru]

I noticed, Sukuna seems to lack the immunity to bombs on her final spellcard :v

[BT]

I'm pretty sure the final phase is somewhat immune. Takes like three bombs to finish it I think.

[Zengeku]

Oh god it keeps track of this now?!

And has done so for a loooong time.

[DSveno]

Can I ask for some tips to capture Sukuna's 3rd spell card while using MarisaB? I tried for roughly 40 times and still can't figure out how to able to stay in the middle long enough to capture it before getting hit.

Gosh, as much as I love that flamethrower, it's just...suck compare to MarisaB.

[Wind God Guy]

I've never actually followed but how long does it take after a game is released for there to be a vpatch available

[BT]

Can I ask for some tips to capture Sukuna's 3rd spell card while using MarisaB? I tried for roughly 40 times and still can't figure out how to able to stay in the middle long enough to capture it before getting hit.

Gosh, as much as I love that flamethrower, it's just...suck compare to MarisaB.

Have one with ReimuB.

SakuyaB is impossible, don't even try.

[Sage Ω (Ultima)]

Oh god it keeps track of this now?!

That's been in since PCB. It looked different in PCB and IN, MOF is what it looks like on all Touhous now.

[DSveno]

Have one with ReimuB.

SakuyaB is impossible, don't even try.

Thank. I guess my best bet would be trying to time out that spell instead of thinking about beating her health to zero.

[Black Mage]

Any tips for capturing the one where Sukuna makes you giant when you're not Reimu? Even after 70+ tries I still can't get the hang of misdirecting those knives without taking a micro bullet in the face (or literally in the knee, those giant hitboxes still weird me out).

A replay would help, too.

[Zengeku]

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/14636011/th14_16.rpy

You need to stream in a way so that you are VERY clear of the knives. Your hitboxes are fucked up because ZUN is an idiot so you need to keep a good distance between you and the knives and then stream like this. After the knife stream ends, move back again as close as you can get to the kunai but be wary that they are butts too. Then stream with the knives again.

It's a very stupid attack and I don't blame you for failing it so much. Hope this helps.

[BT]

Thank. I guess my best bet would be trying to time out that spell instead of thinking about beating her health to zero.

Oh, I thought you were aware - there's no bowl-hitbox in spell practice, so it's much much easier to finish her off before the timer ends in an actual run.

[Black Mage]

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/14636011/th14_16.rpy

You need to stream in a way so that you are VERY clear of the knives. Your hitboxes are fucked up because ZUN is an idiot so you need to keep a good distance between you and the knives and then stream like this. After the knife stream ends, move back again as close as you can get to the kunai but be wary that they are butts too. Then stream with the knives again.

It's a very stupid attack and I don't blame you for failing it so much. Hope this helps.

Thanks! I'll study it and see if I can manage myself.

But I have to admit concept of this attack is pretty neat, screwed up hitboxes notwithstanding.

That's why I enjoyed this game so much, not only the system for extends rewards you quickly, the bosses managed to be gimmicky in a good way for the most part.

[Tengukami]

Funny enough, I find Seija's first spellcard much harder to deal with than when she flips things. It reminds me of Reimu's "Danmaku Barrier" spellcard from Imperishable Night - another clearly easy spellcard that I always have trouble with. The arrows that rise from below, though, not much of a problem. No idea why.