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Re: Miscellaneous Questions Thread 4 - Bring us your Questions!
« Reply #180 on: August 19, 2013, 04:15:13 PM »
So is there any given reason why the Former Hell was so largely abandoned? I mean, I know it got overpopulated so the Yamas had to make a New Hell, but why would almost every one then leave the Former Hell behind to move there? You think New Hell would just be an expansion. I mgiht be looking too deep into this, but still.

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« Reply #181 on: August 19, 2013, 04:27:40 PM »
The Former Capital was where the workers of Hell lived. Know how, when there's a mining-based community, the moment the mineral being mined is depleted, the whole thing gets abandoned because people need to go look for work elsewhere? It's the same thing, I'd wager.

Besides, not everyone moved. Some of Hell's native fauna remained, like hell crows, and a good deal of vengeful spirits and faries are still there.
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« Reply #182 on: August 19, 2013, 04:50:50 PM »
Which has been explained time and time again that this exceptional and unique skill enables her to float away from "anything and everything" and provides no method for Reimu's defeat. If it relied on a limited source, she'd be, of course, defeatable by simply surviving her card until it ends. The time limit is its only limitation in the Spell Card system. Even if it would require any form of energy to trigger, once Reimu floats away from it all, there is nothing that can be done about it. Energy consumption is contained within the "anything and everything" category, and Reimu is able to float away from even that.

Why do you speak as if you know what exactly happens during Fantasy Nature? Smells of headcanon to me. "Floating away from reality" might just mean that nothing from outside can touch her, it doesn't imply anything considering her energy usage. For all we know, she gets tired and hungry while using it at least as much as when she's not. There's nothing that directly contradicts that. And don't go telling about "anything and everything" again, that's just taking a single line of TRANSLATION literally. As for "no one can defeat this", it might just mean "this attack is too dense to evade, defend or counterattack against if used against you". Doesn't go against the literal sense either.

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Re: Miscellaneous Questions Thread 4 - Bring us your Questions!
« Reply #183 on: August 19, 2013, 05:38:18 PM »
Why do you speak as if you know what exactly happens during Fantasy Nature? Smells of headcanon to me. "Floating away from reality" might just mean that nothing from outside can touch her, it doesn't imply anything considering her energy usage. For all we know, she gets tired and hungry while using it at least as much as when she's not. There's nothing that directly contradicts that. And don't go telling about "anything and everything" again, that's just taking a single line of TRANSLATION literally. As for "no one can defeat this", it might just mean "this attack is too dense to evade, defend or counterattack against if used against you". Doesn't go against the literal sense either.

Headcanon? I'm one of the opposers of "unbeatable Reimu" ideology. I don't like the notion of "perfect heroine with a perfect power", because, frankly, there's hardly anything more boring than that from a storytelling perspective. What I'm doing now is looking at the whole thing from the opposite view point and trying to acquire as many valid reasons why ZUN's words should or could be ingnored in this particular case, using arguments I've seen other people use to advocate the perfection of Fantasy Nature.

"Floating away from reality", "floating away from anything and everything", "nothing from outside can touch her"... It makes no difference. We're just playing with words and synonyms. Think of it this way: Reimu floats away to her incorporeal state. She is inside her own universe with its own rules, whereas "everything from outside" encompasses not just the means of physical harm, but also any laws this "outside" universe operates on.

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For all we know, she gets tired and hungry while using it at least as much as when she's not.

No, we don't know that. Have you asked her to do Fantasy Nature for you and she told you after 30 minutes she was getting hungry? Her in-game Fantasy Nature is a spell card that has to have a time limit, that's why it ends, not because she can't sustain it any longer.

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As for "no one can defeat this", it might just mean "this attack is too dense to evade, defend or counterattack against if used against you". Doesn't go against the literal sense either.

I doubt that very much. It doesn't talk about density or being unavoidable. It's talking about time limit as a defining factor that provides the only means in a fair duel to defeat Reimu using this card.

Re: Miscellaneous Questions Thread 4 - Bring us your Questions!
« Reply #184 on: August 19, 2013, 06:41:47 PM »
May I have an honest opinion of you guys of what you really/personally think about this matter still going on.
Well the reason why I asking this not only to you is that I personally don't see that this discussion is really going anywhere with 2 opposing side continuously arguing for whether Reimu "may" use or "may not" use FN continuously outside of spell card rule battle. Just go ask ZUN and we will be fix, joking

Fonzi may I know your personal opinion of what you really think about the matter concerning Fantasy Nature for why Reimu "may" or "may not" use FN indefinitely while outside of spell card rule battle?

For simplicity reason 3 possible answer are already given:

1) YES, you believe/ or at least think that Reimu is capable of using FN indefinitely (not drain at all while in that state).
2) NO, you don't believe/think/not  really convince... that she can that spell indefinitely (for whatever reason you may have).
3) MAYBE, that she "can or cannot" use that spell indefinitely... or at least presence certain limitation(s) of using it continuously, either way you can't absolutely know for sure.
4) because...   :wat:

No offense here.
Well while I'm at it I don't personally think that Reimu can use FN indefinitely simply because I don't think that she can do it.:]


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« Reply #185 on: August 19, 2013, 06:55:54 PM »
May I have an honest opinion of you guys of what you really/personally think about this matter still going on.
Well the reason why I asking this not only to you is that I personally don't see that this discussion is really going anywhere with 2 opposing side continuously arguing for whether Reimu "may" use or "may not" use FN continuously outside of spell card rule battle
Without pointing any fingers, this is a recurring phenomenon in this thread: someone asks a question, there'll be a couple solid answers, but then there'll be pages of tedious hair-splitting over minor distinctions without differences. Or others will inject their own pet theories with really tangential evidence and argue that these pet theories are all equally valid. As if the point of this thread is to argue the veracity of different pet theories rather than to attempt to give an answer to a question that hews as close to canon as possible.

Again, I'm not singling anyone out here. I just think that, in the interest of helping people who come to these threads, we could all exercise a little more restraint and try to avoid circular nitpick arguments, and maybe stop treating all theoretical explanations equally. Just my two cents.

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« Reply #186 on: August 19, 2013, 07:12:22 PM »
Thanks to all the replies I've received, I've become aware of all possible reasons why Reimu's ability may not be as perfect as presented in canon. I used reverse-approach, arguing in favoer of an opinion that I personally don't support, and being persistant in this to milk as much reasons from various users here for why Reimu's ability is or isn't a game-breaker. Up to this point, I have still not received an unquestionable reason why FN can't be used infinitely. And I probably won't, because there just isn't any.

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Fonzi may I know your personal opinion of what you really think about the matter concerning Fantasy Nature for why Reimu "may" or "may not" use FN indefinitely while outside of spell card rule battle?

I have passed through stages of believing 2), later convinced to belive 1) and now left with an impression that 3) is as close to truth as I'll be able to get in this matter. Lucky for me, I can take liberties in creative writing and adjust canon to my liking even if ZUN will confirm Reimu's FN to be perfect during his next interview.

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Sometimes, without these arguments we'd be unable to reach a correct answer. People have a tendency to look at things from only one angle and when faced with an opposing opinion backed by reason and evidence, they are proven that thier answer is not as certain as they might have originally thought. It would be of little help if all this thread ever allowed was to ask "yes/no" types of questions.


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« Reply #187 on: August 19, 2013, 07:40:59 PM »
Fonzi, I'd like to point out that there is a dedicated thread where discussions like this one can take place without bothering those who don't want to take part in them (like yours truly). There's even another one for a broader range of topics. Knowingly holding a discussion that's not supposed to have a definite answer in a thread for answering simple questions isn't very polite. I'd be glad if such discussions were held in a more appropriate place in the future. Pretty please?

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« Reply #188 on: August 19, 2013, 07:45:28 PM »
Sometimes, without these arguments we'd be unable to reach a correct answer. People have a tendency to look at things from only one angle and when faced with an opposing opinion backed by reason and evidence, they are proven that thier answer is not as certain as they might have originally thought. It would be of little help if all this thread ever allowed was to ask "yes/no" types of questions.

I never said nor implied that only "yes/no" questions were allowed. What I'm saying is: the circular nitpicking and hairsplitting is extreme unhelpful. For a helpful gauge: if you find yourself repeating arguments, for example, maybe it's time to step back from the thread and take the argument to PM. Otherwise, what we end up with is a lot of circular arguing, nitpicking, and a lot of pushing of pet theories based on the flimsiest evidence. The arguing actually obfuscates getting any closer to an answer, acting more as derails than some kind of distillation process.

Yes, many things Touhou have no solid answers. And that's fine. We have plenty of space in other threads for hashing out the finer points of fan theory. But these needling derails are getting pretty tedious, and Biakmon isn't the first person to bring this up.

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« Reply #189 on: August 19, 2013, 07:56:02 PM »
Fonzi, I'd like to point out that there is a dedicated thread where discussions like this one can take place without bothering those who don't want to take part in them (like yours truly). There's even another one for a broader range of topics. Knowingly holding a discussion that's not supposed to have a definite answer in a thread for answering simple questions isn't very polite. I'd be glad if such discussions were held in a more appropriate place in the future. Pretty please?

Since the topic arose in this thread, I only saw it as fitting to question a certain answer on this thread, without even thinking of moving this somewhere else. Likewise, the theory thread didn't come to mind, as both parties were convinced that they had canon on thier side, which only later turned out to be hypothetical. I didn't intend to be rude. but I feel like I was. I never even said "thank you", so even if a bit delayed, I say thanks to all of you for taking your time to answer and for putting up with my not-so-charming attitude.
I rest my case on this one.

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« Reply #190 on: August 19, 2013, 08:03:50 PM »
1) Has Reimu ever really done any real extermination to any youkai? If not, why do you think is that so.
As far as I can recall she only beat them up and just leave them be (although I kind of admit they don't quite pose as a  real threat to Gensokyo ot its inhabitant mainly human to a certain limit that it). The one I can see Reimu really goes for extermination are the one in Touhou Suzunaan ~ Forbidden Scrollery.

2)  Also does anyone have any idea know how many generations of Hakurei is there at present?
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« Reply #191 on: August 19, 2013, 08:23:01 PM »
1) Has Reimu ever really done any real extermination to any youkai? If not why is this so.

No instances of this were shown, but when there were news of man-eating wolf-turning-youkai, she was intent to put the thing down for good. I guess those sentient enough to learn a lesson are spared.

2)  Also does anyone have any idea know how many generations of Hakurei is there at present?

There are mentions of 13th Hakurei Shrine Maiden in PCB prologue, but that isn't Reimu, so there are more generations than that.

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« Reply #192 on: August 20, 2013, 09:13:38 AM »
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You can't really compare an individual's crime against the law with a military invasion and call the youkai's defeat as a form of Lunarian punishment. They were a mass of beings out of control.

No, you misunderstand, they said they send them back for worse to wear or something similar. This would imply, beat them down more than necessary, then send them back, instead of just sending them back, which would be punishment enough, if they really think that was the case.

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The elixir is only forbidden to be taken by the Lunarians, it doesn't say anywhere this law applies to Earthlings too. They are already impure by defalut and why should the Lunarians care if any human decides to make his/her short life of misery and impurity into an eternal life of misery and impurity?

I don't understand this response? Kaguya took the elixir, so she was executed for it, that is her punishment. However, that didn't work, because of her power, so they sent her to Earth. Here is her profile, http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Kaguya_Houraisan. This is mentioned there.

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Thanks to all the replies I've received, I've become aware of all possible reasons why Reimu's ability may not be as perfect as presented in canon. I used reverse-approach, arguing in favoer of an opinion that I personally don't support, and being persistant in this to milk as much reasons from various users here for why Reimu's ability is or isn't a game-breaker. Up to this point, I have still not received an unquestionable reason why FN can't be used infinitely. And I probably won't, because there just isn't any.

You will probably never receive unquestionable reason against it either. There is simply not enough information to prove beyond the shadow of a doubt. Just information that favors one case over another. This is pretty much true in a lot of other interpretations in Touhou, since a lot of stuff is left fairly open ended.

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1) Has Reimu ever really done any real extermination to any youkai? If not, why do you think is that so.
As far as I can recall she only beat them up and just leave them be (although I kind of admit they don't quite pose as a  real threat to Gensokyo ot its inhabitant mainly human to a certain limit that it). The one I can see Reimu really goes for extermination are the one in Touhou Suzunaan ~ Forbidden Scrollery.

You already mentioned it, in Forbidden Scrollery.
Reimu does not really exterminate youkais, because she has nothing against them. You can say she has no innate bias against youkai, even if it is her duty to exterminate them. This is probably why she is forever poor, as she won't receive donations if she doesn't do her job properly.

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« Reply #193 on: August 20, 2013, 01:54:45 PM »
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I don't understand this response? Kaguya took the elixir, so she was executed for it, that is her punishment. However, that didn't work, because of her power, so they sent her to Earth. Here is her profile, http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Kaguya_Houraisan. This is mentioned there.

And Kaguya is a what? A human? No. She's a Lunarian. The law forbidding the ingestion of Hourai Elixir applied to her too, princess or not. The question was : "How would the Lunarians react if Mokou ever went to the moon?" Mokou is a human. Lunarians used elixir to tempt the humans from Earth, they never mention that humans are forbidden to drink it. Although they probably never did, because they were deceived or the task necessary to obtain it was like Kaguya's impossible request. The question is a "what if" scenario, but this scenario is not unprecedented. The Moon has already had visitors in the past. Mizue no Uranoshimako - kept alive and under false information that he was in the Dragon's Palace, then sent to Earth, hundreds of years later and killed off by Eirin's little gift. Then there was the 1st and 2nd Genso-lunar war. In both cases, the intruders were beaten and sent back (casualties unknown). But they kept Reimu up there in order to clean the suspicion off their name. Then sent her back to Earth. So if Mokou somehow ended up on the Moon, they could: a) send her back b) try to kill her, fail, and then send her back or c) lock her up

What follows is just my theory, so don't quote me on it: Eirin claims that those who drink the elixir take on the same taint as the humans. (CiLR chapter 1). If this is the case, having an impure being on the Moon for a prolonged period of time could result in tainting the Moon's perfectly pure environment and thus, threatening the infinite lifespans of all its inhabitants. This is contradicted by the Lunarians' desire to bring both Kaguya and Eirin back to the Moon. But perhaps it is due to their desire to have the Sage of the Moon back home as well as the princess, who was believed to be punsihed enough. But there may be another reason why they wanted to do this. They didn't want to allow to create any more Hourai Immortals. After they saw how Kaguya was being a little more generous about giving people like the emperor or the old bamboo cutter a dose of the elixir, they decided it would be better to isolate the princess from the humans and bring her back, despite being as impure as them. But even if Kaguya doesn't share the elixir with anyone anyomre and even if Eirin refuses to make any more, there is still a way for every single Earthling to gain immortality. As unlikely as it sounds, by eating the liver of a Hourai Immortal. This creates a possiblity for another potential invasion, led and fought by immortals and if I was a Lunarian living in the capital, that would unsettle me, to say the least.

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1) Has Reimu ever really done any real extermination to any youkai? If not, why do you think is that so.
As far as I can recall she only beat them up and just leave them be (although I kind of admit they don't quite pose as a  real threat to Gensokyo ot its inhabitant mainly human to a certain limit that it). The one I can see Reimu really goes for extermination are the one in Touhou Suzunaan ~ Forbidden Scrollery.

Her usual "beat the youkai up with danmaku" is what she refers to as extermination, which is always just a temporary matter. She doesn't ever permanently exterminate any youkai. And fairies don't count, as they are naturally immortal anyway.

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Reimu does not really exterminate youkais, because she has nothing against them. You can say she has no innate bias against youkai, even if it is her duty to exterminate them.

No bias?
"From now on, I'm going to exterminate every youkai just because they are youkai!" - Reimu Hakurei, WaHH ch. 8
"I'll beat anyone who's a friend to youkai!" - Reimu Hakurei, UFO, stage 6
Kyouko: "It's a temple for youkai that is kind to youkai"
Reimu: "Well, then I'll have to exterminate you right away!" -  Ten Desires, stage 2
"I was in the middle of indiscriminately exterminating any youkai I find." - Reimu Hakurei, Phantasmagoria of Flower View, stage 7
""On the way back, a youkai was just sitting there minding its own business. And it was enjoying a book, too!... I tried to exterminate it with a surprise attack, but it retaliated! It was pretty cocky and strong. I let my guard down, so I didn't expect shots to come from behind..." - Reimu Hakurei, Curiosities of Lotus Asia, chapter 1
She treats everyone the same. However, since her job is youkai-hunting, she acts particularly strict with youkai, but she doesn't really care much about humans or youkai. This is a recurring line in Reimu's profiles ranging from MoF up to TD.
 
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« Reply #194 on: August 20, 2013, 02:14:40 PM »
What he meant, I think, is that she doesn't have a personal grudge towards them. She just acts like that 'cause it's her job to do so. Miko did hear that her innermost desire is a world with no violence, after all.
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« Reply #195 on: August 20, 2013, 02:33:39 PM »
So Reimu is a tsundere? How cute.

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« Reply #196 on: August 20, 2013, 02:44:00 PM »
Miko: So you say you want to exterminate youkai and create a human-only world. But you truly desire a peace that doesn't require violence, don't you?
Reimu: Ugh. Th-that's not true.
Miko: Hmhm, I can read your mind like an open book. Shall I offer you some advice on how to keep Gensokyo's peace, another time? Some "a-d-v-i-c-e".
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Reimu: A-anyway, break it up right now! Before I blow my lid!

So Reimu is a tsundere?
...yep.
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« Reply #197 on: August 20, 2013, 05:16:26 PM »
Does anyone know the name of the song at 11:44 -  【Touhou MMD】Legend of Flower Master: Episode 1 (English subs) - youtube?
- Also the name of that version of the song at 11:05 【Touhou MMD】Legend of Flower Master: Episode 2 (English subs), please.
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« Reply #198 on: August 20, 2013, 05:32:28 PM »
You want the name of that version of the song, or of the original song? I can't find the former, but the latter is "Lovely Mound of Cherry Blossoms ~ Flower of Japan", Yuuka's theme from Kioh Gyoku.
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« Reply #199 on: August 20, 2013, 06:15:23 PM »
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Does anyone know the name of the song at 11:44 -  【Touhou MMD】Legend of Flower Master: Episode 1 (English subs) - youtube?

I think I found it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8YXkGfpeGo

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« Reply #200 on: August 20, 2013, 06:35:54 PM »
I think I found it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8YXkGfpeGo

Thanks that is the one I was looking for.
- There also the  version of the song at 11:05 - 【Touhou MMD】Legend of Flower Master: Episode 2 (English subs) and the piano piece at 5: 20 Ep 4.

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« Reply #201 on: August 20, 2013, 06:50:00 PM »
And the second one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPJKluAR5mQ

The piano arrange sounds like Broken Moon.
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« Reply #202 on: August 21, 2013, 09:31:47 AM »
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No bias?

Yes, what Sagus said. She isn't biased against youkai. She attacks youkai, because it is her job, not some personal feelings that she habors against youkai.

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And Kaguya is a what? A human? No. She's a Lunarian. The law forbidding the ingestion of Hourai Elixir applied to her too, princess or not. The question was : "How would the Lunarians react if Mokou ever went to the moon?" Mokou is a human. Lunarians used elixir to tempt the humans from Earth, they never mention that humans are forbidden to drink it.

Yes, and that is why I don't understand your response. My response was never to the question "How would the Lunarians react if Mokou ever went to the moon?". I only mentioned what they did to Kaguya and how they first wanted to execute her before sending her to Earth.

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Then there was the 1st and 2nd Genso-lunar war. In both cases, the intruders were beaten and sent back (casualties unknown). But they kept Reimu up there in order to clean the suspicion off their name. Then sent her back to Earth.

First and second Genso war is different. In the first one, the youkai were punished, at least implicitly according to how they worded it, before they were sent back. Second Genso war, nothing happens to the intruder, except for Reimu, but that is because Yorihime needed her to clear the confusion. Remilia, Marisa, and Sakuya did not as much as get a slap in the wrist or anything like that, just simply sent back. They were able to relax and enjoy the ocean after the fight. Which was their intention anyway.

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« Reply #203 on: August 21, 2013, 10:21:18 AM »
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Yes, what Sagus said. She isn't biased against youkai. She attacks youkai, because it is her job, not some personal feelings that she habors against youkai.

Alright.

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Yes, and that is why I don't understand your response. My response was never to the question "How would the Lunarians react if Mokou ever went to the moon?". I only mentioned what they did to Kaguya and how they first wanted to execute her before sending her to Earth.

I think I understand now where the problem is. You were just saying what happened to Kaguya (which did happen to her), and I thought you were answering the mentioned question based on what happened to Kaguya. If that's the case, we've cleared up the misundersanding and you can consider this matter closed.

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First and second Genso war is different. In the first one, the youkai were punished, at least implicitly according to how they worded it, before they were sent back. Second Genso war, nothing happens to the intruder, except for Reimu, but that is because Yorihime needed her to clear the confusion. Remilia, Marisa, and Sakuya did not as much as get a slap in the wrist or anything like that, just simply sent back. They were able to relax and enjoy the ocean after the fight. Which was their intention anyway.

"Yes, and she used that ability to bring a throng of youkai here long ago. Of course, we sent them back much worse for the wear." This line can be interpreted in more ways than one. It could simply mean that they defeated all the youkai and sent them back. If you think it means the youkai got some sort of other punishment after they were crushed and before they were sent back to Earth, that's your opinion.

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« Reply #204 on: August 21, 2013, 02:09:07 PM »
Sorry if this isn't the right place for this, I couldn't find anything related in TARC so I figured I'd try the art board.

[ruro]Miscellaneous Questions thread is the place for this sort of thing[/ruro]

Does anyone know if Collateral Damage Studios' Gears Phantasia illustration book has been scanned by someone yet?

Not asking for a link, just wanting to know if it's scanned so I can hopefully find it on my own. A quick google hasn't shown anything.

Edit: Here's the cover image, I totally forgot it.

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« Reply #205 on: August 21, 2013, 02:54:39 PM »
Silly question, but I've been wondering about it since someone brought it up:
Does youkai/fairy/etc have belly buttons?  :blush:

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« Reply #206 on: August 21, 2013, 03:00:25 PM »
Well, Kokoro has one, at least. I'd think the others also have it.
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« Reply #207 on: August 21, 2013, 03:43:03 PM »
Well, Kokoro has one, at least. I'd think the others also have it.
So they're mammals? Or they're just made in human's image... damn, I felt like some preacher or something....

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Re: Miscellaneous Questions Thread 4 - Bring us your Questions!
« Reply #208 on: August 21, 2013, 03:49:44 PM »
They are beings born from human imagination. I don't think they fall into any particular animal group.

I mean, Kokoro was 66 masks before becoming a tsukumogami. Nobody gave birth to her in the traditional sense. She has a belly button because she has a human form, and humans have belly buttons. I'd assume this applies for any youkai that have a human form.
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Re: Miscellaneous Questions Thread 4 - Bring us your Questions!
« Reply #209 on: August 22, 2013, 06:15:09 AM »
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This line can be interpreted in more ways than one. It could simply mean that they defeated all the youkai and sent them back. If you think it means the youkai got some sort of other punishment after they were crushed and before they were sent back to Earth, that's your opinion.

Just compare to then and now, Lunar Genso 1 and 2. In 1, "Yes, and she used that ability to bring a throng of youkai here long ago. Of course, we sent them back much worse for the wear." This happened. In Lunar Genso War 2, that did not happen.

What I am saying is not them getting punishment after they got crushed. What I am saying is that the fact that they got crushed like that is punishment. Compare it to the second war, nothing like that happened. After Remilia and co. was beaten, they were relaxing at the beach. You see Reimu complained that why weren't they punished at all?

This is different from the first Genso War, where they were taught the they won't be coming to invade the moon anytime soon lesson.

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Does youkai/fairy/etc have belly buttons?  :blush:

They might. That's kind of hard to say.