Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Game Over)

[Polaris]

Maybe Serela could have been lying about using poison >_> I'm not sure how the "point" you're making helps us in any way though.

[Raikaria]

Another claim would be lame so no more.

Raitaki if SK and scum both aimed at the same save target there are no problems.

Scum didn't even kill that night. The poison is a replacement for the NK.

[Raikaria]

Maybe Serela could have been lying about using poison >_> I'm not sure how the "point" you're making helps us in any way though.

1: Dormio is pretty much clear now.

2: We can pretty much confirm there is either a town Doc or a Town roleblocker.

I'd say that's helpful.

[Polaris]

Incidentally Zak what is your role name?

[Raitaki]

I think town is now at the point where there is a surefire way to win, barring a fool lynch.
Details when I got home. Forum ate my phone post :<

[Edible]

It's always waiting with you people jeez ;_;

Where's Lecithul?

[Raitaki]

Bah, screw it, I'm not taking the risk of being silenced by a quicklynch.

Town: Raikaria (claiming info role AND using results to clear Dormio and Zak at this point would be really risky as any sort of anti-town), Zakeri, Dormio (cleared by Rai), Lecithul, Schezo (both cleared by Zak)
?: BT (either town or 3rd party based on Serela push)
Possible anti-town: me, Edible, Polaris

Here's what we can do: lynch me and get rid of one suspect. At night, Zak cops a non-BT suspect, doc claims and protect him if there is any. Rai watch Zak for shankers and fake docs. If Zak returns a result, as BT is pretty much impossible to be scum we can lynch last scum even with a town result. If he dies, Rai would see who offed him. After scum is offed, if there's still third party then it's a 50-50 lynch, with a bunch of townie lives to spare.

Any other details I haven't mentioned won't really change the result of this plan. The only possibility of defeat lies at the possibility of lynching fool, which doesn't matter if scum dies first, and besides nobody alive has really exhibited fool-like behavior (except me maybe), so pretty unlikely. So just read this through, consider it carefully, then tell me what you guys think :p

[Raikaria]

It would be a bastard mod game if there was a Fool/Jester and we were not told. This is not a bastard game.

I'm not sure if lynching you or Polaris first is better, honestly. Not that it really -matters-.

[Polaris]

For the record I don't believe that there even is an SK in the first place.

[Kilgamayan]

Lecithul will be prodded for inactivity as soon as I post this message.

[Kilgamayan]

Epistle Reading

Dormio (1): Raitaki
Raitaki (3): BT, Dormio, Raikaria
Polaris (1): Zakeri

No vote cast (4): Edible, Schezo, Lecithul, Polaris

With 9 alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch. You have less than 44 hours to vote.

[Raitaki]

...Does this silence mean nobody sees any problem with my post?

[Schezo]

I actually plan on calling your bluff on the lynch me please ate.  I just don't have time tonight for a real post. So in about 12 hours.

[Edible]

I think it's more like that's more or less what we'd wind up doing anyway.

I'm afraid we spent too long staring blithely at roles and no one wants to scumhunt anymore today, since town isn't feeling much pressure atm.  Getting two scum back-to-back will do that.

Zakeri, I don't suppose you're actually a third-party survivor whose win condition involves taking out the Moriya Shrine? :getdown:

I actually plan on calling your bluff on the lynch me please ate.

It didn't really feel like a bluff, but I have no qualms with lynching him just in case.  That said, I still would like detailed reads from everyone - especially you and Dormio.  I'm not expecting much from Lecithul outside of a modkill.

@Raitaki: Can you explain the goofy "who is Mamizou" question from earlier?

Gonna reread Polaris, since I suspect we're gonna be choosing between him and Raitaki today unless something else comes up.

[Polaris]

Raitaki doing whatever he's doing instead of trying to prevent his own lynch seems scum-motivated over town-motivated (or rather the lack of motivation as scum) :L

[Edible]

zzz

POLARIS D1

First Serela vote, halfway through D1.  No reason given, he's been getting flak for this all game.  He spent literally all of D1 going "lynch Serela lynch Serela" but not actually stating any reasons for why we should lynch him, and so failed to push his absolutely zero-effort case.  Bad.  He does help secure the lynch on D1 (even if it was a townie lynch), so brownie points.

POLARIS D2

Finally opens up on his Serela case.  Makes sense in hindsight, I suppose.  Not gonna link every post but he starts actually explaining things more in general, which is nice. 

Not doing d3 because it's fresh enough in my mind, but it was a pretty decent reread.  Outside of a garbage tunnelly d1 which almost looks like bussing, d2 had significantly better content and he's actually explaining stuff and looking generally like town now.

Leaning Raitaki over Polaris atm.  Worried it's neither, but we'll cross that bridge when we get to it.

Raitaki doing whatever he's doing instead of trying to prevent his own lynch seems scum-motivated over town-motivated (or rather the lack of motivation as scum) :L

I think if scum!Raitaki wanted to retire, he could just wave the white flag or something instead of attempting to drag it out, I dunno.

[Raitaki]

@Edible: Was baiting for scumslip, since Mamizou was a likely character to be used as a scum role. Apparently nobody bought it :V

As for the lynch, because of process of elimination only Polaris and me are left as the last lynch targets right now, as Edible is pretty town. Seeing how I automatically gain a +5 To Scumminess trait every 3 game phases, I figured I pretty much get the lynch by default :V

Also, calling third party Edible, in case there is third party :V

[Raikaria]

@ Edibibl: Which is why I think it's Polaris 3rd Raitaki scum. Unless there is a town Vig.

Either that or it's you, or BT is playing very sneaky.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

I swear I didn't fall asleep or something.
Anyway.

Well, I don't see the point of writing :wikipedia: about Raitaki, but let's look at other things instead like what would happen if lynching Raitaki didn't end the game.
If that were to be the case I think the best bet would be to lynch Zakeri.
If we go over things from the top, I think that his first vote on Schezo was incredibly contrived.
To further this, I don't think I ever got a response to this:

Especially when he says that he thinks that BT's vote on Raikaria seems reasonable when the bulk of it is focused around how BT thinks that Raikaria's effort is simply there to say that he's being townie when he isn't.
If BT's vote is reasonable shouldn't that at least make Zakeri question the "town effort" that he sees oozing out of Raikaria's posts?

But then again I think his reaction to the Serela wagon looked townie so .
Oh well, at least it would confirm his cop results?
Also the fact that he was neither killed nor roleblocked when Swadomeh just flipped roleblocker is kind of fishy.

I dunno. I feel lethargic because ~lynch Raitaki~.

[Raikaria]

Indeed, there is still always the chance Zakeri is fake, but he has no maf buddies to cover for.

Lecithul has been prodded for inactivity. He will be modkilled if he has not posted something meaningful by the end of the day. ("Prod dodge, will post later" is not meaningful.)

Wasn't Lech supposed to be modkilled or something by now anyway? This is the 2nd time he's had to have been prodded, and he was online yesterday but didn't post.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Why do you want him modkilled so much when we have no idea on whether or not modkills will reveal alignment?

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Though I guess it doesn't matter so much with two scum dead maybe I don't know.

[Kilgamayan]

Multiple prods do not guarantee a modkill, it only inclines me a little more toward doing so. Lecithul responded in a timely manner to his first prod and still has time remaining on his current one.

[Raikaria]

Why do you want him modkilled so much when we have no idea on whether or not modkills will reveal alignment?

It's more curiosity on the situation.

[WHMZakeri]

The thing with Raitaki being self-sacrificial is that last scum tend to feel that they need to act like it in order to bluff the town into thinking lynching them isn't going to end the game.
In short: It's a nulltell if anything.

If BT's vote is reasonable shouldn't that at least make Zakeri question the "town effort" that he sees oozing out of Raikaria's posts?

I'm pretty sure I did answer this but in case I didn't, When I said BT's vote is reasonable, I meant that I can see Town!BT coming to the conclusion more easily than I can see scum!BT doing anything with that post.
It didn't convince me that Raikaria wasn't town, just that BT was.

@Raikaria: Lector has posted after the previous prod, but I don't blame you for forgetting it happened.

[WHMZakeri]

Forgot a few things

Incidentally Zak what is your role name?

Seeress

Also, I'm going out real soon for errands, but I'll work on reading Raitaki when I get back.

[Schezo]

##Vote: Raitaki

Apathy is setting in day needs to end etc etc.

Dormio being the scum counter wagon is kinda a clear.  Stop playing so much hats and more mafia. nyaa nyaa.

If Raitaki is scum and the game doesn't end third party is probably Raikaria.  I know he was pushed as the silly town by scum team but that's the thing about thirds. 
1 his abilities can all be the truth as that is what he can use to get information as a soloer and not get bum screwed by everyone.  He is bad on his own merits and the scumteam seizing the opportunity to push such points are what they would jump at.  Look good while mling an anti town and all that since they can build real cases.  Of course this is for Raitaki scum. 

If Raitaki is town the I'd lynch Polaris for his lack of "anything" besides gut cases on everyone which aren't very nice at all. 

I did feel BT was really close to like unvoting Serela at the end of the day yesterday.  His pushing Serela all game would have made that wierd and really damning if he's town so I opted to quickhammer scumfakeclaim #7 and not play the if game with him.  Other than that he seems solid but Polaris and Raitaki town don't discount him.  (he has stolen my site meta for always rolling scum)

Edible keeps reading null to town to me and I would cop him if I were so inclined.  I did agree with the Dormio case thoroughly and his day 1 isn't bad but I feel paranoia creeping in if he's still alive past day 4. 

[Raikaria]

Zakeri, does your role explain what comes up as 'Guilty'? Is it roles that can kill, non-town affiliated roles, or mafia only? This would change how 3rd parties would read if investigated.

[Raikaria]

@ Schenzo: If I'm 3rd party, it would be quite a feat, considering that makes Dormio unclear, stops the explanation of N1, and means I Tracked and killed N2, AND a town vig shot Shadoweh.

I think it's pretty unlikely I'm 3rd. Edibibl and Polaris are far more likly 3rd parties.

[Edible]

Ugh.  I'm feeling less and less confident of the Raitaki lynch.  Just feels too easy.

I know I'm gonna get flak for saying that, but I'm drinking so wahtever.

Still waiting on BT's reads.