Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Game Over)

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Also, have I mentioned how much I hate it when people (I'm looking at you Shadoweh) do that votecount analysis shit with the colors?
Pick on the colorblind people more why don't you. :colonveeplusalpha:
I can't even quote them for easy viewing since they're in quote tags already and quoting doesn't pick up quotes.

Anyway, reading Lecithul and Raitaki again or something soon hopefully before more classes.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Also while I agree with most of Bledibleh's conclusion, I really don't think polly-kun is scum.

[Raikaria]

Interesting... very interesting.

I think it is worth mentioning that scum didn't kill the cop claim. They killed Pesco.

So... Zakeri, speak up. What is your report for this night?

##Vote: Zakeri

[Raikaria]

Well, that or the scum killed scum, but, ew to that idea.

[Raikaria]

I would also like to remind everyone of Shadoweh's heavy defending and covering of Zakeri Day 1, and Shadoweh flipped scum.

[BT]

##Vote: Zakeri

:facepalm:

They didn't kill the cop claim. What's the conclusion that you draw from this?

There's no reason to distrust Zak's claim so far (as long as he claims his result today <_<) and you have Serela making Zak his wagon option on D1 while allowing himself to townread IHNN and lurk through deadline, strongly pointing to town-town wagons.

[Raikaria]

1: Shadoweh heavily defended Zakeri D1. Shadoweh flipped scum.

2: I still want Zakeri's report, especially after his doubtful N1 report and actions.

3: The fact two townies didn't die suggests Serela did poison me like he claimed. The doc therefor must have saved me last night, unless, of course, Serela was roleblocked N1. This means the Doc could not have been protecting Zakeri. So why did the scum not target him?

I'm also interested in how Shadoweh died. It can't be a Vig, a Vig would have CC'ed Serela. As such, I can only imagine that there is a 3rd party killing role, that was likely roleblocked or hit the Docced target N1. [Or it No-Killed]

[BT]

I'm actually interested if the poison happened at all. According to the wiki Serela linked, it's traditionally an undoctorable kill. His PM doesn't seem to say anything about that. @mod, can you confirm/deny?

Shadoweh did things. Whatever - like I said, I'll read connections later. For now, why does my point not make you want to throw your vote away?

[Raikaria]

Where I'm from Poison is Doctorable. Doctors can treat poisonings, after all, IRL. It does not state that the poison is immune to Doctor saves either.

I have explained why I do not wan to throw my vote away.  Suspicious Claim [Can't investigate biggest scummy people at that time] and very strange choice of investigation on a player most of the town had already expressed townreads on, plus scum defending him D1.

That all adds up to me thinking Zakeri is scum. Let alone the reasons he almost got lynched D1 in the first place.

[BT]

you have Serela making Zak his wagon option on D1 while allowing himself to townread IHNN and lurk through deadline

[Raikaria]

He also states multiple times it's 'not me over me', and it could be bussing.

Zakeri could be Vanilla Mafia, making him a less important factor than Serela.

[Raikaria]

Hopefully last night Zakeri investigated either the Affinity Slot or Dormio, by the way, seeing as those were the slots with the most ire LD2.

[Kilgamayan]

I'm actually interested if the poison happened at all. According to the wiki Serela linked, it's traditionally an undoctorable kill. His PM doesn't seem to say anything about that. @mod, can you confirm/deny?

Nope.

[Raikaria]

Nope.

Probably because this would help us figure out if we even have a Doctor.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

I dunno, according to @winning I think we're supposed to be going after Zakeri now since that's who Pesco thought was scum
But I think that Raitaki or Lecithul are far more likely candidates for scum.
Also really curious about Zakeri's N2 result.

[Kilgamayan]

Call to Worship

Lecithul (1): Polaris
Dormio (1): Raitaki
Raitaki (2): BT, Dormio
Zakeri (1): Raikaria

No vote cast (4): Edible, Schezo, Zakeri, Lecithul

With 9 alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch. You have just under 59 hours to vote.

[WHMZakeri]

waiting on zak's results, too. Apparently he was on at some point after the day started, so I wonder why he didn't post his results then?

I thought about it, but Only up to Schezo's second post had been posted by then, and I figured it'd be more prudent to have some people posting reads before I whoosh in and snipe them.
...Except instead of just saying that, I went to bed instead.

I investigated Lecithul last night, and he came back Town.

Between Raitaki, Polaris, and Dormio, I want to lynch Polaris the most.
Polaris's hounding on Serela seems more in line with Scum bussing, which Is slightly more damning than Dormio's active lurking.
There's also the fact that Dormio was pretty much the counter wagon to Serela.

I admittedly haven't read Raitaki in depth, but I can actually investigate him, so I guess I'll call complacency issues there. I will probably get it done before the end of the day anyways.

##Vote: Polaris

[Raikaria]

I investigated Lecithul last night, and he came back Town.

OK then.

##Unvote

Now, time for some opinions on people, which should help us find ze scum!

@ Me:
I'mma townie. A occasionally idiot townie, but a townie!

@ Edibibl: I find it interesting on your Wagon Analysis you were never voting scum, and were not even voting when Serela got lynched.

All throughout ED2 Edibibl is pushing Dormio hard.

Still, there is This post., and This one too.

He also seemed to want to hammer Serela, so meh.

Overall: Edibibl is probobly town.

@ Dormio: Pretty sure Dormio is town. I'm not going in-depth on this, just take my words for it.

@ Zakeri: Must grudgingly admit he is probobly legit now, unless he is making up his Lech claim from thin air.  He can't have a scumbuddy left to protect, after all.

@ Schenzo: Zakeri said he got a town result on him

@ BT: Pushed Serela probobly the hardest. Almost certain BT is town.

@ Lechithul - Also town according to the cop

This leaves:

Polaris
Raitaki

Which is not surprising, given the exchange they had between each other.

But wait... there must be a killing 3rd party! Shadoweh died, and if there was a Vig, he would have CC'ed Serela!

Now, assuming the Cop in this game returns all killing roles as 'Guilty' results, this can only mean:

Polaris and Raitaki are both scum/3rd

##Vote: Raitaki

I will explain my townread on Dormio if enough people wish it, but take my word for it here, there is only one mafia left after all, so it can't be scumbuddying.

[Raikaria]

Specifically Polaris is the 3rd, Raitaki is the scum, if I were a betting man, due to the D2 votes.

[Schezo]

Gee I'm glad you stopped your reading me based off a cop result. Heaven forbid there be a role to counter it/ Zach not be real.

The possibility of a third party potential SK existing is quite high so just because scum and their actions don't point towards a person being mafia they can still be a third party bad guy.

[Raitaki]

Kilga said there MIGHT be a 3rd party, not will, so why are you so adamant? Serela's claim was denied D2, so that might have been why vig didn't cc. And are you suggesting scum just happened to roleblock Polaris N1 and blocked his shot?
School posting, will post more at lunch and at home

cut: There still haven't been a cop cc, so unless real cop speaks up the chances of Zakeri being legit is pretty high

[BT]

Vig had no urgency to CC because people weren't buying into the claim except for you. Maybe a vig near deadline would have done so if possible but we can't really be sure.

I don't think Edible is 'probably town' for those posts - can easily be a bus. Less of a priority than Raitaki/Lecithul/Polaris, at least.

BTW I was going to reply to that earlier post with "but Serela was a weak role and I don't remember a NMOM" but it's whatever now that Zakeri has copped Lec. Practically suicidal as an anti-town entity.

I'll make that ~*~connections~*~ post sometime tomorrow. Busy.

cut by Schezo: My prime guess for SK was originally Raikaria. I think it's still Raikaria, but Polly isn't far behind.

cut by scumpost: Scumpost.

[Edible]

Let's not dig too deeply into role shenanigans yet.  If we're going to go down that road we may as well massclaim, and I don't think that's warranted at this juncture.

I'll make that ~*~connections~*~ post sometime tomorrow. Busy.

When is tomorrow for you?

cut by scumpost: Scumpost.

This is twice you've done this - not that I'm necessarily disagreeing with you, but why?

[Polaris]

##Unvote

Well that's lame.
I'd vote Raitaki right now but that would put him at L-1 unless we want to end the day early :v

[BT]

The first post feels like scum because of the blatant "whatever" attitude behind the Dormio vote without any regard for yesterday's happenings. Plus "my read on scum was wrong", "gj vig" and "who's Mamizou" are weird comments ranging from scummy to intriguing.

This recent post feels jumpy. I don't know, actually. The roleblocker bit is another interesting comment.

About massclaim: I'm considering the merits of forcing the vig to claim, if they exist. (confirms an ITP shot if nothing happens, locks someone into a lynch-before-LYLO scenario if they claim)

Tomorrow is tomorrow - it's evening right now and I'll be home tomorrow in ~18 hours. There's no set time, but it'll be done.

[Raikaria]

Kilga said there MIGHT be a 3rd party, not will, so why are you so adamant? Serela's claim was denied D2, so that might have been why vig didn't cc. And are you suggesting scum just happened to roleblock Polaris N1 and blocked his shot?

Serela's claim stood for a fair amount of time.

For all we know Polaris couldn't shoot N1, or maybe even didn't. Also, mafia used Poison N1, so it is perfectly possible Polaris was Docced/Roleblocked.

At this point I'm just gonna claim so everything I am saying makes more sense. Most of my use is done anyway as a PR.

I am a Voyeur.

My role is made up of a One-Shot Tracker, a One-Shot Watcher, and a One Shot Tracker/Watcher Combo, which tells me if someone was visited and if they visited someone, but not who. I have used the 1st and 3rd of those.

 N1, I tracked Shadoweh, after he defended Zakeri so hard, thinking Zakeri wouldn't NK with al the suspicion, but Shadoweh might. He visisted Serela, which was clearly for the ##Pay command now. The only thing that could have be done to fit that action was ##Poison, so i assume Serela's claim was legitimate. Unless Shadoweh seriously roleblocked Serela.

Which means I was poisoned, and thus, we have a Doctor who prevented my death. [The major reason I am happy to claim now. Zakeri and me can't both die with a Doc in-game, so we will have an information role tomorrow] Barring that, Serela was roleblocked by a townie.

N2, I used the combination on Dormio. He did not visit anyone. Since Shadoweh died, this pretty much clears Dormio, as I imagine Shadoweh would have used her roleblock. This is why I was so adamant about Zakeri's claim, by the way, because no-one visited Dormio, so if he had a report on Dormio, it would have proved him scum. As he did not, it seems more legitimate.

I still have Watcher available.

[WHMZakeri]

Gee I'm glad you stopped your reading me based off a cop result. Heaven forbid there be a role to counter it/ Zach not be real.

The possibility of a third party potential SK existing is quite high so just because scum and their actions don't point towards a person being mafia they can still be a third party bad guy.

Schezo is right here. There could be any number of reasons why they NKed Pesco instead of me. Anywhere from random number generator all the way up to them knowing that my role is functionally useless. This is actually part of the reason why I'm interested in reading Dormio and Polaris is because if my role is useless, it's probably for that reason.

As for stuff like the doctor/roleblocker/vig claim etc. It's only day 3 of a game that's certain to make it to day 5. We should be putting it aside now in favor of reads ^Wait, what?
Well, it doesn't look likely that you're lying, so this means we have a confirmed roleblocker/doctor, a confirmed vig/SK, and two information roles.
I still don't think it would be a good idea to let this devolve into claiming just yet.

[Polaris]

Of course, Serela could just have been lying about poisoning Raikaria.

[Raikaria]

Of course, Serela could just have been lying about poisoning Raikaria.

Which would mean Serela poisoned someone else. Since Serela claimed to poison me, the doc would have likly been on me.

So there would have been 2 dead townies, Pesco and whoever *was* killed.

Unless of course they targeted me N2 and Pesco was poisoned. Still the same overall point.

[Schezo]

Another claim would be lame so no more.

Raitaki if SK and scum both aimed at the same save target there are no problems.