DEFCON Mafia (Night 2, DEFCON 2)

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Oh yeah, and the fact that Raikaria continues to ignore every mention of his inconsistent statements regarding HW's plan where he says that he has or has not followed it depending on what's happened through the day.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Whatever.

[Conqueror]

Day 2, DEFCON 2

It's Not Like I'm Doing This Votecount For You Because You Asked, Baka
Serela (3): BT, ActionDan, Shadoweh
Raikaria (2): rawr, Dormio
Shadoweh (1): NekoNekoRex
rawr (2): Serela, PX
PX (2): Zakeri, Raikaria

Not Voting (1): Massaca

With 11 alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.
Deadline is in 18.5 hours.

[Raikaria]

And then we have Raikaria's quip about how we should just consolidate on PX or Rawr, not any of the people that he thinks are scum.

Except I have said every time I give my scumreads that PX is scum, and Rawr is scum.

Every. Time.

Please don't make things up.

Oh yeah, and the fact that Raikaria continues to ignore every mention of his inconsistent statements regarding HW's plan where he says that he has or has not followed it depending on what's happened through the day.

I did not follow the plan, but likewise, what I did fits into it anyway. Nowhere have I outright said I intentionally followed any plan.

And then you have the fact that a whole bunch of his attacks and defences seem to be comprised of OMGUS.

The attack on Shadoweh "blackmailing" is stupid and it feels like an in-genuine attempt to OMGUS Swadomeh.

The primary reason I attacked Shadoweh was defending ActionDan, who had done a grand total of 0 town actions that whole day, and he was throwing BS, false accusations at me at the same time.

The blackmailing is because I wasn't aware that was how Town!Shadoweh plays. I've only seen Scum!Shadoweh.

Kinda like what you're doing now, honestly. Except I have a townread on you.

[Serela]

Questions for Selery:

• What do you think about ActionDan right now?
• What do you have to say about claiming to have always been against Rawr, but never having voted him until now?
• Why do you hurt me so?
• Why won't you surrender your will to the swarm?

• Oh my god so lurk let's just nuke him tomorrow because vigging is what you always SAY you do with this kind of stuff isn't it, except usually you don't have a vig for it
• I've always said he was useless, except that on D1 you don't normally lynch the person who doesn't exist (useless for wagon analysis and a total crapshoot and maybe they were just busy for a day or two), on D2 if they keep doing jack all it's a different story. He started out d2 improving, but only for a very short time before stopping
• Because I enjoy your pain
• I'm too hipster to conform

Buh I don't like work shifts earlier then noon, I don't have time to do anything before having to work all day

While Raikaria is one of my weakest townreads IMO there's more scummy people to lynch. Deadline is in like 13.5 hours and I'll be back in like 8, so I'll be around for awhile before then

[Conqueror]

11 hours till deadline. No majority = no lynch.

[BT]

Reading in a bit.

[Dr Rawr]

well if px post about doc didnt imply it enough, im claiming doc.

[Dr Rawr]

im actually kinda shocked all the people on the vig/doc list claimed/implied heavily

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Except I have said every time I give my scumreads that PX is scum, and Rawr is scum.

And what about every other supposed scumread you had?

I did not follow the plan, but likewise, what I did fits into it anyway. Nowhere have I outright said I intentionally followed any plan.

"I didn't follow the plan except I did." :derp:

The primary reason I attacked Shadoweh was defending ActionDan, who had done a grand total of 0 town actions that whole day, and he was throwing BS, false accusations at me at the same time.

The blackmailing is because I wasn't aware that was how Town!Shadoweh plays. I've only seen Scum!Shadoweh.

And what happened to these thoughts about Swadomeh?
How come you basically completely forgot about her?

Kinda like what you're doing now, honestly. Except I have a townread on you.

ㅇㅅㅇ

[BT]

Eh, yeah, I think the anticipated nuclear shitstorm tomorrow is why this day is so dead.

I think it's best we lynch someone who oh I don't know hasn't lurked the fuck out of the game today, so we get more information to nuke off of tomorrow.

PX do you not want to lynch Serela anymore or what?

[BT]

7 hours.

[BT]

Dormio why is Raikaria's overreaction scummy? I guess I'm more likely to view the blackmail thing as "lol scum fluff" but the quicklynch fiasco... not so much. Acccctttttuuuuaaally...

The blackmailing is because I wasn't aware that was how Town!Shadoweh plays. I've only seen Scum!Shadoweh.

You know, I only did say that this is how Shadoweh plays. Remind me what made you flip your read eventually?

I also don't get your semantics thing with following the plan / not following the plan. You DID follow the plan.

[ActionDan]

we have let's say 3 roles known to be missing.  rawr claimed doc.  what is the chance last scum got doc out of the what was it 5 people vying for it.

rawr's town anyway.   

midterms are fun.  especially the 24 hour ones

[Conqueror]

Deadline is in 6.5 hours.
Prodding Zakeri.

[Massaca]

Was hoping to get to say this before Rawr chimed in but yeah, I have no intention of voting Rawr. One of you can nuke him tomorrow if you want him gone. Don't think he'd get NK'd.

Would vote Serela, curious to see where the Raikaria deal goes.

[Massaca]

@ Raikaria: What was your first pick?

[Shadoweh]

SHADOWEH IS AWAKE!
I am so glad we got the doc to claim. Now let's lynch either Serela or Raikaria. If enough people (hint if you're on Rawr GET OFF) move to Raikaria I am still up for MAGICAL HAMMER!

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Dormio why is Raikaria's overreaction scummy?

Because there was no way that lynch was going through, yet Raikaria was so very worried about it.
I think that worrying so much about a lynch like that is caused by being scum and therefore making it your goal to survive rather than lynching people that you think are scum.
I dunno how to explain it, but basically I think that Raikaria was focussed way too much on his own survival which implies a scum mindset.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Also, not sure if I'll be around at deadline because I have 7 hours of classes and a 1 hour trip to and from uni soon.

[BT]

I obviously know why overreactions to votes are scummy but I was talking about Raikaria's case as, you know, a separate case. Though I'm honestly not sure how much I can chalk up this sort of thing to newbdom anymore considering he's... not new anymore. Ugh.

I still prefer Sereluh and I won't be around later for minutes-to-deadline vote hopping.

[Serela]

Rawr claiming doc means there isn't a good reason to lynch him now over nuking him tommorow

##unvote

...uh, maybe I should finally get around to rereading NNR `-`

I'd really rather not be around until deadline because I have work early tomorrow, but I can be if needed.

[Massaca]

So now we want to lynch one of the two remaining "assumed" docs?
PX, why would you want that to happen?

Because Rawr is scummy as hell?

That's more important then "oh god he might be a doc!"

Rawr claiming doc means there isn't a good reason to lynch him now over nuking him tommorow

##unvote

i don't really see why him claiming doc changes you "he's scummy as hell" vote.

[Serela]

it's because we can just kill him tomorrow with our nukes anyway

Besides, another big thing about him claiming doc is there's no way enough people will vote him to get him lynched. Deadline is in several hours. A vote on someone that isn't gonna get lynched is useless.

[Massaca]

Fair enough. Just figured if you thought he was definitely scum you'd keep pushing against him for the whole scum > potentially not scum thing. But yeah, I see your point.

[Serela]

Out of PX and Raikaria (looking at Not-Me wagons) tbh I think they're both town so it's hard for me to want to vote either of them

##Vote NekoNekoRex

Gonna try to reread him soon (clock is ticking obv., but I want to eat dinner) so that I can actually give a reason someone might want to vote him `-` Although I'll certainly switch to PX or Raikaria if needed since I like not being dead

[Raikaria]

You know, I only did say that this is how Shadoweh plays. Remind me what made you flip your read eventually?

I also don't get your semantics thing with following the plan / not following the plan. You DID follow the plan.

My read isn't flipped. Shadoweh's recent general posting has made Shadoweh more town, and I have at least 3 people I would rather see lynched over Shadoweh. Which is why I'm not pushing. I'd much, much, much, rather see PX, ActionDan, or DrRawr lynched.

Just because I've stopped ranting about Shadoweh doesn't mean I've forgotten it, it means I have bigger fish to fry.

Yes, I followed it. I didn't intend to, but I followed it.

Though I'm honestly not sure how much I can chalk up this sort of thing to newbdom anymore considering he's... not new anymore. Ugh.

Chalk it up to being rusty and not playing in months. I've calmed down now.

However, on the topic of Shadoweh:

I am so glad we got the doc to claim.

That is not a good reaction. So, why did you want Doc to out? Knowing who Doc is could only help the scum, as they can kill the doc. Shadoweh slides back down my 'Townie' list.

Anyway, of the people with votes, my lynching preferences are:

PX > Shadoweh [Due to the Doc comment] > Rawr > Serela/NNR > Me

@ Raikaria: What was your first pick?

First pick of what? Who to lynch? Role?

[Serela]

I'm trying to reread but being confused by, uh

NNR claimed treason and I look at HW's plan and what role was he even supposed to choose? His slot in the list is empty and I didn't see him mentioned in any addendums

[Serela]

This is a serious question and I would like the answer ASAP so I can continue my reread with a clear head instead of being hung up on this because I'm weird

continuing to read the first few pages to try to figure it out but

[Serela]

as far as I can tell he was supposed to be the roleblocker