DEFCON Mafia (Night 2, DEFCON 2)

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Would sheep, but that's boring.
Not entirely sure what else I can say about the game state right now.
I need to read things in more depth or something.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

I dunno though, since gut tells me that Serela is town. ㅇ~ㅇ

[Conqueror]

Zakeri prodded.

[BT]

Since I haven't read D2 properly up to now (and I probably rushed it), well, you've been warned.

Don't like Dormio #572. I think he referred to his usual tunneling when he fakevoted NNR... which means he's aware. It's like his reason for voting isn't to lynch scum but instead to avoid being classified as tunneling. I mean, yeah, he explains the vote later, but this post makes it sound like he preferred the NNR/Raikaria vote.

I actually don't know how I feel about HW saying that I'm bugging him for being null. I mean, it's a legitimate point, but it isn't something he does usually. From past games where I was null and he was town he didn't pay me any mind, so seeing him point to me and telling others to Look Out for no extraordinary reason is irking me. ugh cumreads really

I never addressed it but Serela choosing to go with Sub>Silo over what he was told really makes me feel like this is the right vote. I don't remember who said that Scum!Serela wasn't likely to make up the story of "hey I chose to do this instead" (huhwhat?) but it's really the exact opposite -- scum had motivation behind securing the sub and they would obviously have to ready an explanation in advance.

Shadoweh leans scum if only because Dormio (later NNR) did bring up some things and the impression I had from her D1 was really weak. I need to do a proper read sometime whatever the case because holy damn I'm unsatisfied with this.

Oh, and I'm biased about Massaca, I think, seeing as we agree on Serelascum, but besides that and :effort: his opening post is... okay? I don't really know. Have you been following the game before subbing in?

Wait.

I'd expect BT to be the night kill since he's the Roleclop and then scum could simply block Zakeri or just continue not giving two craps >_>

Blocking who now?

Hmm, logical, and can get Shadoweh's gender right. I like you [Massaca]. Still at work.

Okay but you were all about how huhwhat was 100% scum earlier.

Definitely not done. Need rereading.

[PX]

Liking him =/= Thinking he's town

[WHMZakeri]

I don't like the idea of using "X is the perfect role for scum to have because then blah blah blah" because that reasoning assumes either blind luck (which means absolutely nothing in terms of pinning blame onto someone) or it means that HW is confirmed scum, which if there's anyone this game I think is definitely not scum, it's HW/Massaca.

No intention to question/request to alter the plan even though you agree your assigned role is poorly suited for you and would be better for someone else?

I'm weak willed like that.

Re: PX vote - Fair enough. It's a weak scumtell that not everybody agrees with, but it's a scumtell for me none-the-less, and I've latched onto it because if I didn't, I'd just be wasting everyone's time.

Wait, what? You want to quick lynch (most likely town) in order to get scum and SK their night kills sooner?

No, I misread the rules. I thought it would stay in defcon 3 if we lynched sooner, which would result in more lynches without NKs.

The rest of the case is just repeatedly poking me for the fact that I believe in my early scumtell of PX (which I do).

Also, yeah, one of the reasons I discarded the IHNN wagon was because I did in fact think I was the scummiest looking person on it, but I didn't say that out loud because I know I'm town.

Not an Edit: Dammit, I wanted to get this post out early to prevent the prod.

Blocking who now?

I thought this might have been a good catch when I saw it, but it was posted before the post where Mass stated the belief that I was scum.
Still, it's worth noting that I don't think they'd have a reason to block the eavesdropper, even if it were possible.

[Serela]

I don't remember who said that Scum!Serela wasn't likely to make up the story of "hey I chose to do this instead" (huhwhat?) but it's really the exact opposite -- scum had motivation behind securing the sub and they would obviously have to ready an explanation in advance.

Terrible reasoning. There was lots of people trying to get doc. It'd make perfect sense if I just said I tried to get doc and didn't. No explanation is needed, because my draft pick pm is not public knowledge so no one would know if I didn't actually try to get doc.

[BT]

I thought this might have been a good catch when I saw it, but it was posted before the post where Mass stated the belief that I was scum.
Still, it's worth noting that I don't think they'd have a reason to block the eavesdropper, even if it were possible.

I thought it was the latter so I want him to answer what he meant.

Terrible reasoning. There was lots of people trying to get doc. It'd make perfect sense if I just said I tried to get doc and didn't. No explanation is needed, because my draft pick pm is not public knowledge so no one would know if I didn't actually try to get doc.

Oh, wow, yeah. My bad.

[Dr Rawr]

are you asking me to vote you?

[NekoNekoRex]

Prod dodge. It's friday, so I won't be back until late tonight / tomorrow

[Massaca]

Have you been following the game before subbing in?

Define following, I hadn't intended to be in it when I was reading so I didn't have anything noted or much memory of earlier stuff. So yeah, I'd been reading it, still had to go back through everything though, which is harder than I expected.

I'd expect BT to be the night kill since he's the Roleclop and then scum could simply block Zakeri or just continue not giving two craps >_>

Blocking who now?

Not sure I follow.
At the time I thought you'd be much more likely to be shot because of your role whereas Shadoweh thought Zakeri would be shot. Killing you makes more sense since then their roleblocker is free to go after someone else. Point was there's no reason to kill Zakeri since (if town) he could be blocked instead or be ignored. I've just restated the same thing, that doesn't help.
If Zakeri's scum he's not gunna die anyway thus he'd be seen as being ignored by scum.
Worth noting, I forgot about the SK >_> Who would target one of you two (or me) since he'd want as many potential nukes as possible.

I thought this might have been a good catch when I saw it, but it was posted before the post where Mass stated the belief that I was scum.

Doesn't really matter.

Still, it's worth noting that I don't think they'd have a reason to block the eavesdropper, even if it were possible.

What makes you think it isn't possible?

No, I misread the rules. I thought it would stay in defcon 3 if we lynched sooner, which would result in more lynches without NKs.

Yeah, I considered that. Was curious about how you'd reply.



Shadoweh is confusing BTW.

[Massaca]

I thought this might have been a good catch when I saw it, but it was posted before the post where Mass stated the belief that I was scum.
Still, it's worth noting that I don't think they'd have a reason to block the eavesdropper, even if it were possible.

I thought it was the latter so I want him to answer what he meant.

It was a response to Shadoweh about killing Zakeri tonight. They wouldn't, they'd kill BT and use the roleblocker elsewhere (though I realised now that that should be to block silo's since scum doesn't want loads of those going off). So yeah, I made a mistake with that since I forgot about priorities.

[Massaca]

They wouldn't, they'd kill BT and use the roleblocker elsewhere (though I realised now that that should be to block silo's since scum doesn't want loads of those going off).

In which case it'd make more sense not to shoot BT and instead shoot someone who's a silo. Block another silo and SK probably kills BT or myself?
Dammit, stupid role stuff confusing me yet again x_x

[Serela]

I don't think we need to worry THAT much about who the mafia who going to nk unless you're a doc, in which case you don't need to talk about it.

[Conqueror]

ActionDan and Raikaria prodded.

[Conqueror]

Day 2, DEFCON 2

Votecount Prods Everywhere
Serela (1): BT
NekoNekoRex (1): Shadoweh
Raikaria (1): rawr
Shadoweh (2): Dormio, NekoNekoRex
Massaca (1): PX
Zakeri (1): Massaca
PX (2): Zakeri, Raikaria

Not Voting (2): Serela, ActionDan

With 11 alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.
Deadline is in 1 day and 21.5 hours.

Shadoweh is prodded. didn't actually get prodded because my browser crashed before I could send the prod and then when I came back she had already posted. Isn't it sad?

[Shadoweh]

Shadoweh leans scum if only because Dormio (later NNR) did bring up some things and the impression I had from her D1 was really weak. I need to do a proper read sometime whatever the case because holy damn I'm unsatisfied with this.

Saying that I lean scum because someone else might have said some stuff about me is weak. So far the cases on me have boiled down to 'Shadoweh is confusing I will continue to stare accusingly at her' and then blossomed into rage votes when I call people out on their shit. Dormio is the only one with a legit case on me, but if you were really reading his case I would expect you to use actual words he said.

Dormio, I'm probably not getting lynched, you should help me bus my buddies today and nuke me tomorrow to save vote consolidation time. I'm a much easier vig then lynchee. Massaca, similar about Zak, he is absolutely not going to be lynched today so you should vote elsewhere.

Oh, and I'm biased about Massaca, I think, seeing as we agree on Serelascum, but besides that and :effort: his opening post is... okay? I don't really know. Have you been following the game before subbing in?

His post was really awesome? The fact that people keep trying to make it sound bad is half of why I think people are being scummy around him. We have a good solid townread. Stop being so BUT WHAT IF HE WROTE MULTIPLE PARAGRAPHS AS SCUM?!?!

I'll respond to whatever drivel NNR said about me next while wondering why there aren't two wagons, one on Raikaria and one on NNR.

Cut: WHAT THE HELL MANG

[Shadoweh]

Who are these points even directed at?
I think Massaca is posting like town but needs a vote, and doesn't have a solid stance on who needs lynched. Also I said the HW posts leave a dreadful gash on the slot that isn't going to heal any time soon.
Shadoweh are you going to actually say anything useful?

So it literally is nonsense. They're directed at you, smartcatsass. And the Massaca posts heal all wounds and you are scummy for still trying to hold onto the wonders of lynching him. You can kill him tonight if you think it will help. I've been plenty useful. I even have my vvote on scum.

[Shadoweh]

To be fair to Massaca his Zakeri case is pretty good. If you really think Serela is scum with Zakeri, there'd have to be some Serela calling Zak scummy somewhere..

Ahahaha Zakeri, that is the best. Your role is totally good for something!

I don't really think Zak's dancing about with the stuff related to me is likely to be fake, though.

Zak's weird dissonance reads thing I mentioned yesterday is explained by the airline eavesdropping stuff, so. Him and HW are like, not even possible as scum IMO. While BT and Dormio are not-as-strong-but-still-pretty-town-looking yeah. Oh and that leaves shadoweh I guess well I'm tired

No, definitely not scum together. Serela is clearly using what Zak's overheard as happy reasons to clear himself, which he wouldn't be able to stomach as scum. Seriously he's not capable of it. If anything this makes Serela sound way too chipper which is a scumtell for him. Would still not lynch Zak, would definitely lynch Serela first.

PS: Not only did I shut down the mod I've also relegated his brain to another dimension TAKE THAT

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

[17:32:44] <~Conq> Shizuru_Dormatsu: you're up for a prod in 3 hours just fyi

So I got Heart of the Swarm. I can't deny my Korean blood.

[Shadoweh]

Dormio why won't you vote NNR with me? This shouldn't be hard for you. He's a catfaec, he's got a big cat's face, he's got the body of a cat and the head of a cat and he flies through the air cause he's got a cat's face, vote NNR!

[PX]

So I got Heart of the Swarm. I can't deny my Korean blood.

I got Dormio Worms. We are having too much fun.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Fuck that banana bomb. Anyway, reading now before I go back to zerg rush ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Dormio why won't you vote NNR with me? This shouldn't be hard for you. He's a catfaec, he's got a big cat's face, he's got the body of a cat and the head of a cat and he flies through the air cause he's got a cat's face, vote NNR!

Stop it woman, your feminine wiles can only get you so far...
##Unvote
##Vote NNR
Nah.

Don't like Dormio #572. I think he referred to his usual tunneling when he fakevoted NNR... which means he's aware. It's like his reason for voting isn't to lynch scum but instead to avoid being classified as tunneling. I mean, yeah, he explains the vote later, but this post makes it sound like he preferred the NNR/Raikaria vote.

ㅇ~ㅇ
No idea how you're deriving that but okay.

[Shadoweh]

I'm serious about needing to consolidate though. There's been practically no movement to anything in the past day, it's like a ghost town in here. Naturally I want you to not try to consolidate on me because it's a waste of time and I really want to nuke people tomorrow okay

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

I dunno. I don't really have much to say right now. And I want to play HotS.

[NekoNekoRex]

So it literally is nonsense. They're directed at you, smartcatsass. And the Massaca posts heal all wounds and you are scummy for still trying to hold onto the wonders of lynching him. You can kill him tonight if you think it will help. I've been plenty useful. I even have my vvote on scum.

Wow there are a lot of reasons to vote me in this post

[NekoNekoRex]

Also keep buddying the HW slot, I need it so I can have a running tally of how many "I support the Failsafe" posts you make, despite the Failsafe starting to doubt your credibility too.

Maybe you should address those points instead of blowing it off as mean old NekoRex poisoning the minds of young newbies.

Also a NekoRex never forgets the treacheries of Huhwhat. But maybe I'll ignore it for now if Massaca switches to Shadoweh, The Right Choice

[Raikaria]

Sorry, was busy yesterday.

And I come back and there's... not a lot.

Raikaria pops this in:
So with good chances of Serela about to be lynched right there you're back just in time to take advantage of Raikaria's post, save your buddy and lynch a townie taking no blame.

I forgot about this. Zakeri had been pretty lurky, and pops up almost instantly after I post my thoughts on hammering. Could be suspicious, or just co-incidence.

PX is still virtually non-existent and still hasn't answered the key of my point against him...

General opinion on Shadoweh is moving closer to town now.

Everything else is honestly the same. There was a lot of waffle yesterday, but not a lot of anything happening.

I suggest if we are moving to consolidation, we do one of two things:

1: Lynch PX, several people have already shown agreement with this.
2: Lynch ActionDan. Seriously. He needs to go by now, and ity's better than a consolidation on lynch on someone actually playing he game.

[Serela]

Oh right, I have to post before work because I have work again and don't want to come back prodded.

My opinion about today's lynch is surprisingly ambivalent. Why? Because we're going to get to nuke a bunch of the people we don't like tomorrow without having to decide with a majority. As far as I can see, anyone who a majority can agree needs to get lynched would probably get nuked tomorrow anyway.

Instead, how about we lynch the failsafe that can't be nuked? People's reads on that slot are awkward at best, and we can't nuke it later without losing an extra person >_> Even if it gets nightkilled we lose an extra person. Actually getting to d4 would be nice for town, and we do NOT have the ability to take it for granted that we'll make it that far. That slot is the most likely to get passed over in favor of other lynches in the future since it could be our last town-powered lynch (and especially so with the main killing force soon, nukes, due to failsafe), but it's track record isn't good enough that I want Massaca to be one of the people in endgame at all.

I think with the lynch+nukes we can clean up the really scummy people d3 regardless, and then hopefully have gotten enough scum (or even the SK) that we can make D4 without being completely screwed. It's actually in the SK's favor to nightkill the failsafe because an extra person will die.

##Vote Massaca