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Re: DEFCON Mafia (Day 2, DEFCON 2)
« Reply #660 on: March 21, 2013, 03:46:33 AM »
I think HW is just annoyingly crafty, which doesn't help he is also really insightful. He plays both sides of the coin pretty well. Even someone like me, who is really well acquainted with him, has a hard time getting insight on his alignment,

I don't think I've seen HW throw a fit like that before, but maybe it's because he hasn't gotten the rope in awhile and is used to having town see his way.
Kilga is this right; like is this person seriously the player, and it's not some alias or something that's designed to be deliberately obfuscating? NekoNekoRex. Who the hell is that :C   ~Poya Aaaa (Serela), Bunny Must Die Mafia

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Re: DEFCON Mafia (Day 2, DEFCON 2)
« Reply #661 on: March 21, 2013, 03:47:20 AM »
Massaca replaces huhwhat, effective immediately.


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Re: DEFCON Mafia (Day 2, DEFCON 2)
« Reply #662 on: March 21, 2013, 03:52:39 AM »
If the scumteam is the failsafe and the Eavesdropper, then it's impossible for three roles to be stolen. It's math dood.

Roleblocker? 3rd scum? People who didn't follow the plan?

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Re: DEFCON Mafia (Day 2, DEFCON 2)
« Reply #663 on: March 21, 2013, 03:57:20 AM »
North Korea? 3rd scum? People who didn't follow the plan?

Herp Derp

EDIT: Also what NNR said

? Last Edit: March 20th, 2014, 9:00:03 PM by PX ?

<Conqueror> Enough with the fake edits; you'll confuse people  :ohdear:
« Last Edit: March 21, 2013, 03:59:31 AM by Conqueror »

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Re: DEFCON Mafia (Day 2, DEFCON 2)
« Reply #664 on: March 21, 2013, 03:58:23 AM »
Massaca replaces huhwhat, effective immediately.

And I'm still probably going to nuke you.

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Re: DEFCON Mafia (Day 2, DEFCON 2)
« Reply #665 on: March 21, 2013, 04:01:02 AM »
Still in classes, just here to say that Shizuku and Eris suck (in more ways than one).

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Re: DEFCON Mafia (Day 2, DEFCON 2)
« Reply #666 on: March 21, 2013, 09:17:46 AM »
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If you could kindly explain why you saw fit to ask for permission to hammer Serela, before Serela had a chance to respond, then I might change my opinion. Because as it is; it looks like you wanted to hammer Serela, but wanted to have the defense 'Town said I could!', when/if he flipped town, which makes me think you KNEW he was town, and the whole asking for permission thing was scum covering their own rears on a townie hammer.

Let me put my thoughts of this. This situation, is an absolute trap, with absolutely no way to go around it. What if I had just up and hammered Serela? I'm scum. Ask if town wants me to hammer the number 1 scum read? I'm scum somehow. Completely ignore it? Best option, but I'll still be called scum. Try to start up another wagon? Oh no, he's trying to not get his scumbuddy lynched, he's scum! See how there's no way to go about this? Now here's the funny thing, as all these different situations involve the person actually flipping something, but they don't all have the person flipping the same thing. And here you go, calling me scum for asking to hammer the person you thought was scum, and wanted to lynch. When he hasn't even flipped yet, and you're suddenly turning him from scumread to town. How, exactly, does this indicate my alignment, and how is it certain when the person isn't dead?

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Re: DEFCON Mafia (Day 2, DEFCON 2)
« Reply #667 on: March 21, 2013, 11:26:43 AM »
Just re-read up to PX's long post (#586). That took like 4 hours (*is slow*) and was hard v_v  (which is why I can't read old games, it's hateful if it's all already there).
I'm trying to work through it though.

To start with, I believe Raikaria is town. Raikaria trying hard to push the wagon off of town IHNN and onto PX whom he thinks is scum during Lynch time, don't really see why he'd put further risk on himself like this if he were scum. Also how hard he was pushing against Action Dan and Shadoweh.
Inclined to lean town on PX and Action Dan. Thinking Serela is scum, maybe with Shadoweh. Zakeri I'm curious about. NekoNekoRex leaning town but a little confusing. BT and Dormio are null. Rawr, I wouldn't think scum would try to skim through on very low content would they? Potentially attracting a policy lynch though that seems to be frowned upon so maybe it would work (also applies to PX). So dunno about him.
No idea who the SK may be, too many guesses there for me.

Was on Raikaria's side for the whole vs Shadoweh bit. Even though I don't think Action Dan is scum, Shadoweh's arguments were weak due to the reasons stated many times (voting someone for constantly pushing on and trying to get lynched whom they think is scum) and I thought her attempts at getting a couple others to vote Raikaria with her was poor. Dunno how I feel about her posts just around the lynch but something felt odd and I really didn't like her #492. Probably need to re-read that bit again v_v.




#221
I'm having an issue deciding which of Rawr/Raikaria/NNR are actually good voting options. Maybe IHNN could go in that list too. I guess this is because, when it comes down to it, the game only just started and I rarely get much out of ed1 >_> I keep typing "I have no interest in voting ____" and then I read another one of their posts and backspace that out. Buh.

Rawr feels too easy of a target. He didn't even vote, and I headtilt when trying to read his post. I'd almost feel bad even suggesting I want to vote NNR because it feels like he's been immediately wagoned (and usually lynched) in all recent memory of mafia on here.

Oh my god I seriously have an issue with not wanting to vote people before late day 1. Nevermind.
##vote ActionDan
As has been previously mentioned, he has no reasoning for any of his potential votes and the only reasons for not voting two are that Rawr is "too easy" which feels poorly worded and NNR is because it happens often?
Mmkay. So pretty much Action Dan's #373. Which he never addressed either.
Action Dan vote is understandable at the time but feels a little opportunistic.

#298
Since apparently a lot of people want to lynch HW, and a lot of people want to lynch Dan, how do people feel about the prospect of lynching HW and letting him Failsafe-murder Dan? (I suggest he would do this because he's said he wants to, so.)
Really bad. Especially since he just stated he wasn't interested in a Huh What lynch and thought it bad in the same post. Huh What's responses are spot on IMO but Serela simply shrugs it off.

#445
I claim missile silo in offense mode. I picked Sub>Silo because I really wanted to be a vig, and the result would be the exact same as if I had chosen doc/sub/silo and not gotten doc; since, either way, me and the doc would be the only ones who knew I wasn't the doc.
Seems scummy to me because going for stealth day vig would be great for scum. Or at the very least great for SK but still thinking scum. And intentionally avoiding doc which isn't greatly useful for scum anyway (at least I don't see it being so). Nukes wouldn't be that useful for Town as they're much more likely to contribute to the Mafia and moreso SK wincons. At least I'd be going defensive as a Town Silo

#466 & #471 & #475
Serela - trying a bit desperately to force back on the IHNN town kill,
Though, in all fairness, I can see this from Huh What too but, potentially due to bias, I can see his actual reasoning for it whereas Serela still doesn't have much apart from it's there, we should do it now whilst we can.



It's worth noting that the Scum QT attempted to impersonate Serela, but ended up getting the airline he used wrong (Either that, or Serela was smart enough to name a different one than the message I received) This is the main reason for my town tell on him.
That. I don't believe it proves anything either way. Especially since Zakeri can make anything up at this point and claim it and looking at the leaked Scum QT quotes so far makes it meaningless IMO.
But still, that was enough to just clear Serela?



@MOD: Can the Eavesdropper directly post the quotes he got from the QT?
Yes.

Would like this, Zakeri. Not that there's any real way to verify that it's not BS. Right?



Damn. Want me to hammer Serela?
I don't like this even more.

This sounds like PX wants to hammer Serela, but wants the town to give him permission so he doesn't look scummy if Serela flips town [...]
Just adding to this; the PX thing I think is a possible scumslip.
[...]

I agree that's how it does come off but thinking about it, if it actually happened who would even listen to the excuse of "town said so" the next day? I don't particularly see it as being something scum would post, seems too risky and obvious. Can't see this not resulting in a strong PX wagon. And think it did start one. Anyway, noticed PX's post addressing it and yeah, completely see his point and agree with that. So + a bit more town for PX.



#98
Also, I'm like, totally lisensed to sit back and herp a derp for the rest of my days

Why? If it even matters at this point >_> But just curious about it and why no-one questioned it. Especially since it seems you more-or-less did this.



And I'm still probably going to nuke you.
:(



Still in classes, just here to say that Shizuku and Eris suck (in more ways than one).
Nuh-uh. Maybe just cause the last one I read but current fav.
Runa x Takako are bad. [/offtopic]



Also, can someone tell me what chainsawing means? Nothing on the MafiaScum wiki.



That's all I've got for now. Sorry, will do my best to get through the day 2 stuff tomorrow and catch up. This took like 7 hours as is (a crap load longer than it should have, I'm sure) and now too tired of it all. Not sure if there was much point in most of it but eh. Anyway, sleep.

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Re: DEFCON Mafia (Day 2, DEFCON 2)
« Reply #668 on: March 21, 2013, 11:32:58 AM »
That's a long post.
Chainsawing is when you defend someone via attacking the person attacking them.
It's weird.

Also, Shizuku is so boring.

Also, I have an assignment due tomorrow that has been and is going to keep eating up a lot of my time but I should be able to post more after tomorrow.

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Re: DEFCON Mafia (Day 2, DEFCON 2)
« Reply #669 on: March 21, 2013, 03:54:48 PM »
Chainsawing is similar to white knighting as well, except instead of just passively defending someone, as Dormio said you go out of your way to attack the person attacking someone. Weird is not scummy, but if the person being defended is scum it's a scumtell to the person doing the chainsawing. Basically if you believe Dan is town, as you said, it's not as scummy for someone to be defending him.

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Re: DEFCON Mafia (Day 2, DEFCON 2)
« Reply #670 on: March 21, 2013, 04:00:12 PM »
##Vote: Raikaria
yet again im really bothered by raikarias wait and see attitude to getting his reads on people
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I think we can openly ignore ActionDan after his 'slip' fiasco. Let alone this stuff.
also this

Ill probably explain my vote abit more later.

Also yea i agree with shadoweh, NNR reaction does look pretty scummy

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Re: DEFCON Mafia (Day 2, DEFCON 2)
« Reply #671 on: March 21, 2013, 04:32:14 PM »
##Vote: Raikaria
yet again im really bothered by raikarias wait and see attitude to getting his reads on peoplealso this

Which is totally my approach when I pushed so hard on PX LD1.

I give people a chance to defend themselves.

It's not right to vote Huh What when he's resigned from the game either. I can't exactly continue the whole PX-Huh What thing with Huh What gone.

ActionDan has done nothing town, and all he's been doing is leading us around in rings, and outright refusing to help. Ignoring him is the best option until he actually starts playing.

For that matter, you've not exactly done anything town and now you're jumping on me for false reasoning, and I'm not even sure what you aim to accomplish when most of the people seem to have town reads on me now.

Still staying with my PX lynch.


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Re: DEFCON Mafia (Day 2, DEFCON 2)
« Reply #672 on: March 21, 2013, 06:01:31 PM »
Hey, since all of you guys, have, like, unlimited day vigs tomorrow, how about we go ahead and lynch the guy I want to lynch today and you guys can just do whatever tomorrow. And I'll clean up the mess when you're done partying :( *sigh*

Sure, I could quote wholesale the entire QT, but there's not much point in doing so. although, there's no reason not to either.
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Anyways, as promised, Obligatory Wagon analysis

so in short, BT and HW had a half decent case, Serela and Shadoweh followed along with sheeping. Dormie and NNR swings away from Serela. Then it ends with me and Raikaria consolidating.

In short, the reasoning becomes weaker as time goes on, but that's more because time grew short rather than anything else. All in all, the wagon does nothing to change my opinion, but I'M POSTING THIS ANYWAY BECAUSE I ALWAYS FEEL DIRTY AND ITCHY IF I DON'T FORCE INDEPTH WAGON ANALYSIS AS SOON AS WE GET IT.
I hate wasting days because it feels like day one: part 2, but then again this game's day one was surprisingly good for me, so I guess it's not as poisonously volatile as I like to pretend it is.

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##Vote: Raikaria
yet again im really bothered by raikarias wait and see attitude to getting his reads on people
Could you provide post numbers as examples of this? I wanted to chime in against Raikaria about using the "Wait and see" method, but I feel it would be a moot point if he's actually using his vote to pressure someone (even if it's not the person he's supposedly waiting on).

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Re: DEFCON Mafia (Day 2, DEFCON 2)
« Reply #673 on: March 21, 2013, 06:05:23 PM »
HW's impression on the player slot is still leaving me with serious scum vibes (don't expect this to change), but I'll back off for now and find someone else to vote.
##Unvote

Starting with this
##Vote: Shadoweh

Can you buddy any harder, Shadoweh? You've been clinging to HW's side since the game began. Also apparently nobody is allowed to question a cop claim, in a community where we have a gambit every single goddamn game.
Also Shadoweh's wagon jump D1 was the worst, he jumped literally "because it wasn't Serela"

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tbh i don't think there's much more to talk about. be honest, would anybody listen to serela if he claimed doc or posted lastreads?
Boy I sure do love finding more reasons to lynch HW despite him bailing the game.
Kilga is this right; like is this person seriously the player, and it's not some alias or something that's designed to be deliberately obfuscating? NekoNekoRex. Who the hell is that :C   ~Poya Aaaa (Serela), Bunny Must Die Mafia

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Re: DEFCON Mafia (Day 2, DEFCON 2)
« Reply #674 on: March 21, 2013, 06:15:34 PM »
I'm using my vote to pressure PX, who still hasn't responded to my LD1 criticism, and seems to be avoiding the point. Which *really* isn't helping my opinion of PX being scum, the fact he's avoiding addressing that point.

However, I cannot, or should I say, could not, take much of a stance of the PX/HW arguments, because they were still ongoing, and I wanted the whole picture to look at. However, Huh What is gone now.


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Re: DEFCON Mafia (Day 2, DEFCON 2)
« Reply #675 on: March 21, 2013, 06:20:11 PM »
I don't think Zak posting a bunch of Scum QT posts makes him town, just FYI. Any scum could gather together a bunch of quotes and say they "eavesdropped it"

Just a PSA. I think Zak is playing pretty town in any case, but the claim shouldn't make any difference.
Kilga is this right; like is this person seriously the player, and it's not some alias or something that's designed to be deliberately obfuscating? NekoNekoRex. Who the hell is that :C   ~Poya Aaaa (Serela), Bunny Must Die Mafia

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Re: DEFCON Mafia (Day 2, DEFCON 2)
« Reply #676 on: March 21, 2013, 07:26:20 PM »
Day 2, DEFCON 2
Votecount Totally a Placeholder
Serela (1): BT
NekoNekoRex (1): Shadoweh
Raikaria (1): rawr
Shadoweh (2): Dormio, NekoNekoRex
Massaca (2): ActionDan, PX
PX (3): Zakeri, Raikaria, Massaca

Not Voting (1): Serela

With 11 alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.
Deadline is in 3 days and 9 hours.


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Re: DEFCON Mafia (Day 1, DEFCON 3)
« Reply #677 on: March 21, 2013, 07:27:30 PM »
cut- expand on that. I'd say "I know enough of NNR's meta" but clearly Disgaea says "fuck you" to that.
This has been bugging me all game. BT, how can you base meta off a game you were scum in?
Kilga is this right; like is this person seriously the player, and it's not some alias or something that's designed to be deliberately obfuscating? NekoNekoRex. Who the hell is that :C   ~Poya Aaaa (Serela), Bunny Must Die Mafia

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Re: DEFCON Mafia (Day 2, DEFCON 2)
« Reply #678 on: March 21, 2013, 09:11:29 PM »
##Unvote

meh.  I dunno.  HW's replacement feels town.

I will actually take a look again at this thread in some detail tonight.

Don't lynch me.

Re: DEFCON Mafia (Day 1, DEFCON 3)
« Reply #679 on: March 21, 2013, 10:11:50 PM »
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Could you provide post numbers as examples of this? I wanted to chime in against Raikaria about using the "Wait and see" method, but I feel it would be a moot point if he's actually using his vote to pressure someone (even if it's not the person he's supposedly waiting on).
ye
#249
#404 he said he was going to vote me :(
#411 im also doubling that for the unvote. why? because there was always me and dan.
#582 im not counting this as pressure in anyway because he was already suspecting px since d1

Also looking back that raikaria dropped his entire case on shadoweh even though originally wasnt based on the "black mail" seems kinda odd. Also i also find it weird how he was only trying to push the "black mail" for people to vote shadoweh.

The #411 post strikes me as oddx2 because dat unvote. He later just sheeps the serela case and decides to not mention me.

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I think we can openly ignore ActionDan after his 'slip' fiasco. Let alone this stuff.
This is actually a pretty bold statement if a townie were to make it.

Re: DEFCON Mafia (Day 1, DEFCON 3)
« Reply #680 on: March 21, 2013, 10:12:35 PM »
This has been bugging me all game. BT, how can you base meta off a game you were scum in?
doesnt stop him from seeing you play the game

Re: DEFCON Mafia (Day 2, DEFCON 2)
« Reply #681 on: March 21, 2013, 10:18:26 PM »
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I'm using my vote to pressure PX
I would have considered this but seeing that you were willing to vote him d1 and come d2 you decide not too until huhwhat and zakeri vote, i dont feel it.

Re: DEFCON Mafia (Day 2, DEFCON 2)
« Reply #682 on: March 21, 2013, 10:20:59 PM »
also considering what could be an amazing number of nukes next mafia day, im not in favor of lynching huhwhat.

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Re: DEFCON Mafia (Day 2, DEFCON 2)
« Reply #683 on: March 21, 2013, 10:26:06 PM »
I would have considered this but seeing that you were willing to vote him d1 and come d2 you decide not too until huhwhat and zakeri vote, i dont feel it.

I'll repeat myself:

The way I play mafia is that I give people a chance to defend themselves. PX said he would post more later after reading, so I decided to wait.

Also I hadn't even posted D2 until Huh What and Zak had already posted and voted.


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Re: DEFCON Mafia (Day 2, DEFCON 2)
« Reply #684 on: March 21, 2013, 10:26:41 PM »
dont care

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Re: DEFCON Mafia (Day 2, DEFCON 2)
« Reply #685 on: March 21, 2013, 10:27:52 PM »
dont care

Well it's kind of a moot point to say Huh What and Zak voted PX before me when they voted before I had even posted [Was sleeping IRL]


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Re: DEFCON Mafia (Day 1, DEFCON 3)
« Reply #686 on: March 21, 2013, 10:30:33 PM »
Also looking back that raikaria dropped his entire case on shadoweh even though originally wasnt based on the "black mail" seems kinda odd. Also i also find it weird how he was only trying to push the "black mail" for people to vote shadoweh.

I said multiple times I still do not think Shadoweh is town. I just think PX is even less likely to be down.


This is actually a pretty bold statement if a townie were to make it.

And it's a pretty bold action for a townie to say 'I have this scumread on NNR' and then when asked about it to go 'Nope, not telling you!'


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Re: DEFCON Mafia (Day 2, DEFCON 2)
« Reply #687 on: March 21, 2013, 10:33:08 PM »
582 was after huhwhats and shadowehs and before zakeris. i dont see how you could not vote PX in that post if you wanted him quick wagoned d1

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And it's a pretty bold action for a townie to say 'I have this scumread on NNR' and then when asked about it to go 'Nope, not telling you!'
cute but ignoring dan completely isnt what people should be doing
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I said multiple times I still do not think Shadoweh is town. I just think PX is even less likely to be down.
then your vote prioritys are messed up if you decide to sheep onto serela rather then fall back on me or shadoweh

Re: DEFCON Mafia (Day 1, DEFCON 3)
« Reply #688 on: March 21, 2013, 10:37:58 PM »
And it's a pretty bold action for a townie to say 'I have this scumread on NNR' and then when asked about it to go 'Nope, not telling you!'
i dont see how this is relevant to ignoring actiondan

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Re: DEFCON Mafia (Day 2, DEFCON 2)
« Reply #689 on: March 21, 2013, 10:38:18 PM »
Quick reply to NNR: I was talking about IHNN's game (the one I actually wrongly tunneled on you as town in). Mistakenly called it Disgaea all this time.

I wasn't at home all day today and I'm postponing this for stupid as fuck reasons. I have a day off tomorrow so I won't be able to run away from this much longer.

I'll just put this up there for now: Zak, can you elaborate on your towntelling Serela? Mainly how confident you were about it at first and why (mostly why).