DEFCON Mafia (Night 2, DEFCON 2)

[NekoNekoRex]

Kind of inclined to Wait and See with PX, the early hammer thread did strike me as pretty strange, but at the same time I don't want to sheep HW because I still don't like him this game.

Can you explain the BT read better, Prims?

Going to go through and reread myself. Yesterday's wagon formed a bit too fast for my tastes, I'm going to look at the people on it and see if any of them are suspicious.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

My head hurts and I have assignments due.
Anyway.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

I really want to vote for Raikaria and NNR.
However I don't really have anything on them other than the D1 case I had.
But since when have I let details like that bother me?

##Vote NekoNekoRex

Nah.

##Vote Shadoweh

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Can you explain the BT read better, Prims?

thought about it and don't really think he's done anything townie and his d1 slamdunk case flipped town which just kind of makes me go "ehhh"

not a full-on cumread but he bugs me? i'm interested what people think about him

dormio, explain shadoweh vote?

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

*scumread

O

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

cumread

10/10

Anyway.
First of all, Shadoweh forms no solid opinion of her own. She settles for voting Rawr which is one of the biggest non-cases she could be going after.
Shadoweh goes throughout a large portion of D1 without a proper suspect until she eventually settles on Raikaria.
Again, it just seems too easy to me and it also involves a huge defence of Dan to top it off.
Zakeri also called Shadoweh out on this but she basically handwaved the statement saying that everyone is scum but that's such a useless statement.
Also with Shadoweh's arguments with Raikaria a lot of them are laced with what feels like bait to me.
And then after all that arguing about how Raikaria is obvious scum, when the wagons start shifting towards IHNN/Serela, Shadoweh just sits back and does absolutely nothing about it.
And then it also seems like Shadoweh has basically completely forgotten about Raikaria.
On top of that Shadoweh has mentioned PX a few times on D1 about how she doesn't want to lynch him based on the fact that he always lurks except now she's sheeping HW for whatever reason and voting PX with him.
Dunno. Shadoweh reads as all kinds of weird to me.

Also since Shadoweh didn't respond to the futa comment she's obviously not town.

But this is the true crux of my case right here.

Also Serela are you going to break my heart and turn out to be scum?

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Also Serela are you going to break my heart and turn out to be scum?

This is paranoia on the basis that Serela isn't presenting rolecоp results.

[PX]

Everyone who followed the plan but didn't get their role, post the role you were supposed to get in regular mafia jargon. Also, everyone who didn't follow the plan say "Aye" as well. Thanks.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Was supposed to get the tracker/radar.
Also, PX, do you ever plan to post about the players in the game rather than the game itself?

[PX]

Shut up, just got out of work. Phone posting while driving ftw

[PX]

2am. _

☐ Eat
☐ Sleep
☐ Play porn games
☐ Play regular games
☐ Anime
☑ Post in Mafia

Worst decision of my life.

@MOD: Can the Eavesdropper directly post the quotes he got from the QT?

Following my request is not an indication of your alignment, it's just going to help me clear up my current thoughts and see if it's possible more viable.

Alright, fuck it it's 4am, sleeping then finishing the post tomorrow.

[Conqueror]

@MOD: Can the Eavesdropper directly post the quotes he got from the QT?

Yes.

Day 2, DEFCON 2

Votecount Wrath of God
Shadoweh (1): Dormio
PX (2): huhwhat, Shadoweh

Not Voting (8): ActionDan, Serela, NekoNekoRex, Raikaria, Zakeri, BT, rawr, PX
With 11 alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.
Deadline is in 4 days and 16 hours.

[Raikaria]

PX's ISO is full of bullshit and no actual town effort

when Serela is at L-1 he's just all "hey guys want me to hammer this town dude?". no attempt to hold himself accountable, no attempt to post opinions on which wagons he actually wants to support, nothing

And, as I stated LD1, he tried to get us to agree to hammer to cover his rear before Serela got a chance to fight back.

Still, PX is alive, so I'll see what PX does before I make my opinion, although a response to my LD1 points and Hu What's points would be nice.

Also happy to lynch Dan/Rawr anytime.

[Serela]

wut?

This is paranoia on the basis that Serela isn't presenting rolecоp results.

I already claimed Missile Silo in Offensive mode, are you a rolecop or something? I don't understand.

PX:I was in the group that was supposed to choose Doc>Sub>Silo, although in actuality I chose Sub>Silo for reasons I already explained yesterday

I agree that Shadoweh is kind of weird but I definitely don't have any kind of read on her one way or the other yet, rather wait and see at this point.

[Serela]

I swear I didn't type roleclop but yet Dormio's post says it normally aaaaaaaaa

rolecop rolecop rolecop

[WHMZakeri]

PX's ISO is full of bullshit and no actual town effort

when Serela is at L-1 he's just all "hey guys want me to hammer this town dude?". no attempt to hold himself accountable, no attempt to post opinions on which wagons he actually wants to support, nothing

Well, there goes all of my actual content for this post.
##Vote: PX

Normally, I'd do a thing where I drop everything to tunnel at the people on IHNN's bandwagon, but I get the feeling that the wagon might have been a wasted effort for what it's worth. I'll take a better look at it later.
I've finally gotten a system in place where I can actually focus on my work instead of sodding off to watch 3 minute youtube videos at max volume, so "Later" is no longer an empty promise on my end.

[PX]

Huh What is 100% the scums. First off, the plan. Looking at it clearly, it is the WORST idea ever for town. Seriously, put the most important roles on the people we're going to be lynching 99% of the time? And what are we doing now? LYNCHING ALL THE POTENTIAL DOCS/NUKES. On top of this, everyone knows HW enough that they will trust everything he says. So he can nonchalantly put himself and his scumteam in perfect positions to steal other roles with minimal risk. Now, which roles are these? Namely, Eavesdropper and Failsafe. These two can only be discovered by the rolecop, while being the "failsafe" is a perfectly acceptable reason for never getting shot, and scares off everyone who wants to nuke him. On top of this, look at the part where he puts himself and Dan as interchangeable, swapping between BULLETPROOF and Failsafe, both providing the same thing. Perfect cover for scum to attempt to steal roles. What roles would they steal, anyhow? Well looking at the roles we didn't get, they are Tracker, Roleblocker. These two look perfect for scum, considering one of them stops all town roles AND nukes, while the other is a powerful asset for town. Also in the mix is the SK, which I assume probably didn't follow the plan either, but that's not my concern. Where is the third scum? Probably in the Doc mix, which would allow scum chances of grabbing the RB, Tracker, and Doc, essentially paralyzing town's PRs. Now look at this part of his post.

I have thought of a potential scum counter but there's also a workaround on town's side. If we go through with the plan, I won't disclose this until we've already picked, in case scum doesn't think of it.

He never did disclose it. After seeing all the roles Town was supposed to get not be gotten, you'd think he would provide something to help out Town as much as he can. Nah, scum just got the perfect occurrences, no need to give town ideas.

If you want a real reason NNR is scum, him switching from the Dan wagon to the person Dan is voting when Dan hasn't done anything NNR should find impressive is lol

really the dan vote was probably just to get people off his back since it was easy pickings

If you want a real reason HW is scum, him switching from the NNR wagon to the person NNR is voting when NNR hasn't done anything HW should find impressive is lol

No, but look at his Dan vote, in which he lashes back at being voted for after bashing NNR for voting him. Oh yeah, and after Dan throws out that he has a scumslip, he immediately jumps a vote to Rawr, even though he was voting NNR before. Oh yeah, and he never bothers talking about Rawr, he just jumps back to NNR. WITHOUT RAWR POSTING. Oh yeah, and he jumps on to NNR again after NNR votes him.

tbh, the main reason Dan thought my post is a scumslip and nobody else got it until he pointed it out is probably because he's non-town and knows that more than one alignment stole a role

otherwise it shouldn't stick out to him given that I had no fucking idea how it was even a scumslip when he told people to look at the post he quoted. I'm calling him as SK who legit thinks I'm scum.

Yeah, I think he's anti-town in a smaller team, but not gonna vote him.

He attacked my rolespec as if he was talking to a town read only to turn around and say I'm null when pressed.

This reasoning is bullshit.
He flips his IHNN read from town to scum. In the meanwhile, he drops Rawr completely. At all. Before and after Rawr posted anything. Just like, completely dropped talking about him after calling him scum for most of D1.
Look at the people he's been going after. Dan, IHNN, NNR, Serela, Me. He's been going after people who actually see him as non-town. Dan's calling him scum, NNR's calling him scum, I'm calling him scum, and IHNN was calling him SK. These are the people he went down on the hardest. I don't care about :words:, because he can make them look all fancy and look town. Because honestly, WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME HW GOT LYNCHED?! NEVER. You guys will just follow whatever he says, so all he has to do is go for the people who aren't and he's set for life. Except for the SK. He's practically forgotten Dan since people have decided to ignore him (by the way guys, this is why mafia sucks, you're just ignoring people and following the same people, regardless of what they're saying).

I feel opportunistic seriously saying I think the best picks for scum right now are Serela/IHNN/PX but it's the truth, they're all fucking horrible.

[size=924324320pt]BAD PLAY =/= SCUMMY
On top of this, remember the point I said about "Here's a list of guys we should lynch, gg gg gg gg gg gg". THIS, WITHOUT A DOUBT, IS 100% SCUMMY. TOWN SHOULD NEVER, EVER, DO THIS. IT IS NEVER THIS EASY. LEARN FROM THE PAST 90000000000000000000000000000000000 MAFIA GAMES PEOPLE

rawr vote is a complete waste at this point

BUT YOU'VE BEEN CALLING HIM SCUM THE ENTIRE FUCKING GAME!?!?!?!?!

good morning

##Unvote
##Vote: Serela

HEY GUYS, REMEMBER WHAT HUHWHAT SAID ABOUT SWITCHING TO VOTING THE SAME PERSON AS YOUR SCUMREAD WAS VOTING? WELL HERE'S AN EXCELLENT CASE OF THIS. EXCEPT HE HASN'T TALKED ABOUT RAWR ANYMORE, SO FUCK THAT. Funnier thing is he switched from NNR, who he was getting no help with, to Serela, objectively a much easier lynch. And he switched up after getting no support with NNR lynch. Why not make a move on Serela a lot earlier considering you were going on him the entire fucking time. And in between this post and his last, Serela didn't post so there was no difference there.

Oh yeah, and he jumps from leading the fucking Serela wagon to JUMPING ON THE IHNN WAGON. ALL WHILE THINKING SERELA IS THE SCUMS.

when Serela is at L-1 he's just all "hey guys want me to hammer this town dude?". no attempt to hold himself accountable

BULL. FUCKING. SHIT. POINT. YEAH, THIS HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO INDICATE I'M SCUM IF YOU THOUGHT SERELA WAS THE SCUM. AND YOU WERE SPEARHEADING THE FUCKING WAGON. THE FUCKING FRONT OF THE WAGON, AND YOU THINK THE GUY ASKING TO HAMMER HIM TO NOT HOLD HIMSELF ACCOUNTABLE FOR HAMMERING YOUR FUCKING SCUM READ IS FUCKING SCUM. YEAH, BEST POINT EVER. GO DIE IN A NUCLEAR HELLHOLE YOU SCUM

##NUKE HUH WHAT

AND YOUR REASONS FOR CLEARING SERELA ARE ABSOLUTE SHIT. HONESTLY, I'M SURE THE ONLY REASON YOU'RE CLEARING HIM IS BECAUSE HE HAS A 00% CHANCE OF KILLING YOU. YOU AND YOUR BUDDIES ZAKERI AND RAWR CAN ALL DIE IN A FIRE.

EDIT: Zakeri and Rawr are most likely his scumbuddies, he's made little mention on Zakeri other than special mentions so that he can fall back on if he needs to bus, while constantly calling Rawr scum and then completely forgetting about him, same thing. He also swapped Rawr and Zakeri's roles in the plan, which still keeps one as Eavesdropper and one in the doc pool to gamble for the doc and allow the Eavesdropper to steal a role. #Kaidota

_{? Last Edit: March 19, 2013, 12:30:15 by PX ?}

[PX]

FUCK MAFIA, I GOT BETTER THINGS TO DO. LIKE

EAT
WORK
PLAY DOTA WITH BROS
RAGE AT DOTA
MAKE A FUCKING NCAAB BRACKET
AMONG OTHER THINGS

[Raikaria]

Whoa, whoa, tables are flipped.

Firstly I don't trust HW anyway, and I don't know HW that well.

Secondly, the point Huh What raised against you isn't even his point. It's mine from LD1.

I made that point when I stated, multiple times, that I didn't think Serela is scum. [Or IHNN]

So instead of dismissing it as a

BULL. FUCKING. SHIT. POINT. YEAH

, because Huh What agrees with it, how about you actually explain yourself, instead of dismissing it on grounds that don't even make sense?

GO DIE IN A NUCLEAR HELLHOLE YOU SCUM

##NUKE HUH WHAT

DEFCON 2 ? Armed Forces ready to deploy and engage ?  5 days or until lynch.
* All non-town factions gain a factional nightkill: Stealth Bomber (@Playername)
* Everything else same as DEFCON 3.

DEFCON 1 ? Maximum readiness. Nuclear war is imminent ?  5 days or until lynch.
* Nuclear launch becomes available to all players with missile silo in nuclear launch mode.
* Game cycles like this with regular day/night cycles until a wincon is reached.
* Everything else same as DEFCON 2.

We're on DEFCON 2, you can't nuke. If you want to get rid of him that bad, vote.

EDIT: Zakeri and Rawr are most likely his scumbuddies, he's made little mention on Zakeri other than special mentions so that he can fall back on if he needs to bus, while constantly calling Rawr scum and then completely forgetting about him, same thing. He also swapped Rawr and Zakeri's roles in the plan, which still keeps one as Eavesdropper and one in the doc pool to gamble for the doc and allow the Eavesdropper to steal a role. #Kaidota

_{? Last Edit: March 19, 2013, 12:30:15 by PX ?}

General Rules:
-No editing posts.

And read the rules.

Anyway, until you actually address the point I made LD1, instead of using Huh What supporting it to dismiss it, I think you earned this:

##Vote: PX

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

i didn't read any of px's ragepost

[Raikaria]

i didn't read any of px's ragepost

Considering it's all directed at you being scum, it might be a good idea to read it and address the first paragraph that isn't mindless rage, because some points seem valid.

[Dr Rawr]

And read the rules.

:facepalm: you even had it inside that quote!

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

tbh px is probably mad because he's scum and i got a 3 person wagon on him without even trying

The only thing that bugs me about Shadoweh is why she dropped rawr. How was her initial vote a non-case? the rawr snippet she quoted for the vote actually was scummy.

speaking of rawr I think he's maf again now, he spent more time talking about people other than the guy he was voting yesterday and now he's back to making spam posts I guess. yesterday i kinda just gave up on him since px-ihnn were doing EVEN LESS but eh

[Raikaria]

tbh px is probably mad because he's scum and i got a 3 person wagon on him without even trying

The only thing that bugs me about Shadoweh is why she dropped rawr. How was her initial vote a non-case? the rawr snippet she quoted for the vote actually was scummy.

speaking of rawr I think he's maf again now, he spent more time talking about people other than the guy he was voting yesterday and now he's back to making spam posts I guess. yesterday i kinda just gave up on him since px-ihnn were doing EVEN LESS but eh

Well, technically, I got the wagon on PX, considering your case for the wagon is my points from LD1. So yeah, you didn't try.

I can see the point on Shadoweh, but I've not exactly had a pro-town view on Shadoweh most of the game, if only because Shadoweh's play-style to me looks scummy, when it's apparently what Shadoweh always does :V

[Conqueror]

Let's tone it down before the forum mods get involved. Consider this an official warning in accordance with forum guidelines.

Day 2, DEFCON 2

Votecount Modkills Everywhere
Shadoweh (1): Dormio
PX (4): huhwhat, Shadoweh, Zakeri, Raikaria

Not Voting (6): ActionDan, Serela, NekoNekoRex, BT, rawr, PX
With 11 alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.
Deadline is in 4 days and 8 hours.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

eh tbh

##Unvote
##Vote: rawr

can we just get this guy dead already? px at least has a wall of rage which shows he's going to start pouring effort into the game. rawr is probably scum and isn't even doing that. i dunno i want to murder the non-players so that this can actually feel like a mafia game, 5 days to figure out whether somebody is just being an idiot or is actually scum is boring as hell. you know that semi-rant i posted in the disgaea scum quicktopic? yeah well it turns out that this shit is even more annoying when you're town

i seriously think px should be banned from mafia if he's town though (i would at least not let him join my games unless suddenly he got a lot, lot better) because there was literally no effort put into playing the game d1.

[Raikaria]

eh tbh

##Unvote
##Vote: rawr

can we just get this guy dead already? px at least has a wall of rage which shows he's going to start pouring effort into the game. rawr is probably scum and isn't even doing that. i dunno i want to murder the non-players so that this can actually feel like a mafia game, 5 days to figure out whether somebody is just being an idiot or is actually scum is boring as hell. you know that semi-rant i posted in the disgaea scum quicktopic? yeah well it turns out that this shit is even more annoying when you're town

i seriously think px should be banned from mafia if he's town though (i would at least not let him join my games unless suddenly he got a lot, lot better) because there was literally no effort put into playing the game d1.

Except I'd rather cut off a dead limb with nukes later, than keep a limb that's got an infection that can corrupt everything else.

Aka: Scummy people > Lurkers in lynch priority when we have dayviges.

If Rawr is still useless I'll nuke him when the time comes.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

ugh yeah

##unvote
##Vote: PX

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

okay, serious question for px: every game you seem to complain about how motk mafia has become formulaic, people only lynch bad players, everyone assumes you're terrible and wants to policy lynch you, etc. if you're town then what the fuck were you doing d1 to stop that by posting nothing that could be interpreted as a serious attempt to play town?

this is at least half of the reason i think you can't just be town playing horribly.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

SK should shoot me tonight, I'm obviously not getting lynched and I'll give them another kill........