Author Topic: Etrian Odyssey Thread - This is not broccoli #ATLUS (Read 92058 times)

Serela · « **Reply #270 on:** October 12, 2013, 02:10:10 AM »

Picnic/Standard/Expert is more like Picnic/Casual/Normal, to be honest. From Standard to Expert, you take 66% more damage, and deal 33% less. Also, the battle retry you get on Standard should pretty much prevent game overs from occurring unless you're forgetting to bring threads and get into a really bad situation.

Picnic goes the other way around and has you take 66% less damage and deal 33% more, and your heals are 33% or 66% stronger (don't remember), so enemies do piddly squat. Your thread doesn't go away on use, and you get infinite battle retries, so there's virtually no risk of something unpleasant happening in this mode. I suppose for little kids, this could be a good difficulty...?

blabla1994 · « **Reply #271 on:** October 12, 2013, 02:32:25 AM »

Hmm... TBQH, if I had known that, I probably would have started on Expert then. I don't think I've been in a battle yet where that amount of damage either way would have changed the outcome.

Except the First Stratum boss. Taking longer in that battle would have been... bad.

Serela · « **Reply #272 on:** October 12, 2013, 02:35:16 AM »

You can change the difficulty at any time, and the first stratum of course isn't too hard, so it's not a big deal.

Even 1 damage can make a pretty big difference if it means one of your characters dying or not, though. And to a lesser degree, whether you manage to kill an enemy or not- those Giraffa Beetles do a lot of damage if they aren't taken out immediately. :T

trancehime · « **Reply #273 on:** October 12, 2013, 03:37:55 AM »

Quote from: Serela on October 12, 2013, 02:10:10 AM

Picnic/Standard/Expert is more like Picnic/Casual/Normal, to be honest. From Standard to Expert, you take 66% more damage, and deal 33% less. Also, the battle retry you get on Standard should pretty much prevent game overs from occurring unless you're forgetting to bring threads and get into a really bad situation.

the funniest part is that i'm pretty sure the game was balanced for standard difficulty because having beaten the game for a friend (JPN ver.) on Expert i can tell you some of these bosses should not be as difficult as they are

Serela · « **Reply #274 on:** October 12, 2013, 03:50:43 AM »

honestly that's a good relief after EO4 where I beat every boss blind in 4~5 turns (final boss might have been 6, superboss was 7 or 8 ) with absolutely zero trouble

Well, the Sand Emperor blinding me made it take awhile longer, and the 3 gourd FOEs in the extra stratum beat me the first time I tried, but that was about it. :T

Admittedly, I do wish I was playing Classic in EOU... but there's no way I can go through -without- seeing all the party dialogue and extra story tidbits because I'm that kind of person, so I'll have to save my classic-mode play for whenever I go through the game a second time in the future.

The NG+ features are super duper nifty in this game as I've heard from Krimmy, so that'll be nice. There's a multi-page checklist of what you can choose to take and you really couldn't ask for more.

Garlyle · « **Reply #275 on:** October 12, 2013, 02:17:15 PM »

Quote from: Kawamura`Reo on October 12, 2013, 03:37:55 AM

the funniest part is that i'm pretty sure the game was balanced for standard difficulty because having beaten the game for a friend (JPN ver.) on Expert i can tell you some of these bosses should not be as difficult as they are

Expert is straight up absurd at a few points. The 15F boss will deal about 200+ damage with its

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attack to your entire party which for reference is probably more than most of your characters' max HP. There's still ways to deal with it (

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) but christ

theshirn · « **Reply #276 on:** October 17, 2013, 03:52:51 AM »

Is it just me or do rare breeds have a vastly inflated chance of producing higher-level grimoires, because I went into the dungeon with the rare breed up effect and got a solid few Flawless Grimoires and some Slightly Damaged ones as well.

e: one of them turned out to be max rank Charge :getin:

Garlyle · « **Reply #277 on:** October 17, 2013, 02:04:05 PM »

Quote from: theshim on October 17, 2013, 03:52:51 AM

Is it just me or do rare breeds have a vastly inflated chance of producing higher-level grimoires, because I went into the dungeon with the rare breed up effect and got a solid few Flawless Grimoires and some Slightly Damaged ones as well.

e: one of them turned out to be max rank Charge :getin:

this seems quite likely to be the case actually

also I'm jealous I only have a rank 9 Charge >:

~~also I need to stop playing Pokemon and get back to this~~

theshirn · « **Reply #278 on:** October 22, 2013, 01:25:16 PM »

Right, so the fourth stratum boss? Gonna be a problem.

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Of course, all those numbers I'm throwing out are with his attack debuffed, and Immunize/Defender maxed and up. And I'm pretty sure I'm fairly overleveled, sitting around 52-54.

Serela · « **Reply #279 on:** October 22, 2013, 01:56:14 PM »

That's pretty scary sounding- I'm still going through the earlier parts of the 4th stratum myself though. You could

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theshirn · « **Reply #280 on:** October 23, 2013, 01:22:02 PM »

I ended up beating him on the second try, mostly because he used Pinion Spear a grand total of once :V

Serela · « **Reply #281 on:** October 23, 2013, 03:39:28 PM »

I beat him on the first try because head binds make Arthur do twice as much damage and it's the best thing ever, foes didn't even -reach- me in time (Granted they were going to step in next turn >> But yes Expert mode)

Headbinds are kind of awesome. I'd recommend max Head Snipe on Frederica no matter what build she's going for. (Max Ricochet doesn't even seem terribly strong >_> (It's okay 'tho) It's more damage to bind even if it takes a few turns) And my first FL Grimoire was Head Snipe too THERE YOU GO SIMON <3 (I had him using guns the whole game in the first place, he was mostly using only using debuffs on bosses anyway)

Too bad you can't head bind a

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theshirn · « **Reply #282 on:** October 23, 2013, 03:43:28 PM »

Quote from: Serela on October 23, 2013, 03:39:28 PM

Too bad you can't head bind a
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FUCKING TANK

Oh yes you can! Oh yes, you can!

e: now up to either Alraune (ahahaha yeah not happening, Frost Smile oneshots people with maxed Immunize up) or

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for the main story, this ought to be fun

Zengar Zombolt · « **Reply #283 on:** October 24, 2013, 02:38:01 AM »

Finished off the Fallen One at last! Almost wiped twice, but managed to land head binds just in time not to get nuked. Now, to... Beat it 5 more times to forge that Drive Blade. :<

theshirn · « **Reply #284 on:** October 27, 2013, 11:53:02 PM »

The music for the last few fights is spectacular. Beat Story Mode on Expert, awesome time, awesome game.

I'll return for the postgame after AA5, most likely.

Also Charge is stronger and cheaper than Limitless for some reason.

Garlyle · « **Reply #285 on:** October 28, 2013, 12:13:23 AM »

Quote from: theshim on October 27, 2013, 11:53:02 PM

The music for the last few fights is spectacular. Beat Story Mode on Expert, awesome time, awesome game.

I'll return for the postgame after AA5, most likely.

Also Charge is stronger and cheaper than Limitless for some reason.

Yes it is. The main reason is that Limitless also enables you to ignore weapon restrictions on your next attack, so you can use whatever the hell move you want, even moves borrowed from other classes. That said, Limitless also requires a significant skill point investment so... eh.

theshirn · « **Reply #286 on:** October 28, 2013, 12:34:37 AM »

Quote from: Garlyle on October 28, 2013, 12:13:23 AM

Yes it is. The main reason is that Limitless also enables you to ignore weapon restrictions on your next attack, so you can use whatever the hell move you want, even moves borrowed from other classes. That said, Limitless also requires a significant skill point investment so... eh.

1 point in HP Up is significant?

e: oh right plus the 10 for the skill itself hurr

Serela · « **Reply #287 on:** October 28, 2013, 04:34:40 AM »

Yeah, having Charge for the highlander's attacks to actually do something in boss fights given their high TP cost (for his tp pool at least), it's pretty great.

I hear Limitless affects all actions for the turn though, so it might be nice for Cross Charge+Delay Charge turns.

Just finished Story Mode Expert myself! I'm planning on tackling the 6th stratum, though, so I'm not through the woods yet~ ...kind of wondering which bosses I should formaldehyde though >_> I... don't really know how to get their conditionals since gamefaqs doesn't have a good list for this game... so... :T and I'm debating if I should do any order or just farm up some formaldehydes and go crazy with it. (I have Fenrir's and know to formaldehyde the 2nd stratum boss though because lol curse, and accidentally got Ant Queen's on my first time beating her)

tl;dr if you know which stratum bosses unlock which ultimate equipments (or any of their conditional drop requirements) that'd be cool

theshirn · « **Reply #288 on:** October 28, 2013, 01:20:05 PM »

Quote from: Serela on October 28, 2013, 04:34:40 AM

I hear Limitless affects all actions for the turn though, so it might be nice for Cross Charge+Delay Charge turns.

I've heard this too but I don't think it's the case. I'll test it out later today.

Serela · « **Reply #289 on:** October 28, 2013, 04:37:52 PM »

I forgot to ever mention it, I think, but Tail Whip debuffs enemy physical attack. Since you can get it really early that's super good to know. (It says defense but this game has a -lot- of terribly worded things.)

Yesterday I saw Refresh Lv9 -> 10 Next: Targets All Enemies TP 35 (works as intended though)

theshirn · « **Reply #290 on:** October 28, 2013, 04:55:27 PM »

Tested it and I can confirm that both Charge and Limitless only affect the next action, and Charge is stronger (albeit barely).

trancehime · « **Reply #291 on:** October 29, 2013, 12:40:58 AM »

Quote from: theshim on October 28, 2013, 04:55:27 PM

Tested it and I can confirm that both Charge and Limitless only affect the next action, and Charge is stronger (albeit barely).

Limitless' caveat is being able to use Ronin attacks without needing a Katana, which is something.

Quote from: Serela on October 28, 2013, 04:37:52 PM

(It says defense but this game has a -lot- of terribly worded things.)

It also has a lot of descs which are just wrong from my experience. :V

MatsuriSakuragi · « **Reply #292 on:** June 25, 2014, 12:31:42 AM »

This is not broccoli #ATLUS

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theshirn · « **Reply #293 on:** June 25, 2014, 12:36:00 AM »

oh god damn I totally forgot to post this

also

this is not broccoli

Zengar Zombolt · « **Reply #294 on:** June 25, 2014, 01:07:52 AM »

Was waiting for someone to post not broccoli.

Garlyle · « **Reply #295 on:** June 25, 2014, 06:23:29 AM »

~~but what if it is broccoli~~

Also maybe I'll better be able to appreciate EO2 this time. Like it was actually fantastic mechanically, but EO2 fell short a bit due to one or two awkward balance choices and also the fact that so much paralleled EO1's design that it was hard to properly appreciate it for itself at the time (compared to EO3 which was drastically different)

Third Eye Lem · « **Reply #296 on:** June 25, 2014, 07:01:54 AM »

Let's not also forget how brutal the first quest was...If you didn't gear your party members just right, you were in for a bad time. I'm glad the more recent games eased players in before unleashing the hounds, EO2 DX needs to do that as well if they want it to succeed.

That also being said, I know I'm looking a bit into the future, but I would not be opposed to playing an EO3 remake. We could use more high-seas adventures. :3c

Validon98 · « **Reply #297 on:** June 25, 2014, 07:37:03 AM »

Well this is a thing. But yeah, out of the first three I never really got into the second game as much (and I STILL need to go back and finish the first game) mainly because of how brutal the map making quest is right at the beginning. You NEED to be utterly prepared for it otherwise you are fucked and more or less have to restart. I kind of went "ahahahaha, no screw this" because of how ludicrous it was. Regardless of that, here's hoping EO2 DX is an improvement on the original?

theshirn · « **Reply #298 on:** August 05, 2014, 03:59:55 PM »

Trailer for EO2DX.

Looks like the story party is

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still not broccoli

Garlyle · « **Reply #299 on:** August 05, 2014, 04:03:45 PM »

Interestingly, the site has three pages.

The pages for "D" and "X" are still basically the teaser site, with the headers "Nobody knows the D" (enjoy your snigger) and "Nobody knows the X". So possibly more EO stuff announced? or at least they're hiding noticable features for EOU2 from us.

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