Final Fantasy 9 Mafia (GAME OVER: SCUM WIN)

[BT]

Fact of the matter is that both of you at this point aren't doing much other than being lame (and I'm angry at PX for this).

People should just realize that NNR has never put any effort into his reads.

And that he currently prefers addressing his wagon as scum instead of actually identifying any scum on his wagon.
"OMG the SCUM VOTING BLOCK"
"I MIGHT change that BT read OMG" // By the way, you don't have a good reason for doing that -- you thought I was misguided on D1 too. Nothing changed.

PX deserves scrutiny for his D2 but it's a lot better when you realize that PX's push on NNR ever since it happened reads like he ACTUALLY FINDS HIM TO BE SCUM. On the other hand NNR resorted to pushing Zakeri which somehow excused him from putting effort because "but but there's no content there" and I already went over what he's doing now.

Let's not forget the fact that PX claimed role info on rawr. And that NNR claimed untargetable.

I'm still shocked that this is a thing.

[BT]

For people who want to vote PX, I'll take another, new approach. let's look at the PX wagon.

NNR, Affinity, Dormio, Dorian, Darkoda.

Affinity is the only person on this wagon who does not explicitly look weird. In fact, I would be okay with every single other person on this wagon getting shot during the night. (I'm sorry Darkoda it's nothing personal!)

This is what I was going for when I asked people for their townreads.

I think Dormio hasn't responded yet. <_< Dormio, who are your townreads?

At this point I'm just trying to do what I can to make sure a townie isn't lynched over someone who A.Looks scummy and B.Is going to distract everyone the whole game even if he's town

+1

There's also flip value to consider.

              _{the wonderful Dormio}
RE: Why watakushi-sama is ignoring NNR
                 _{that person}
Basically, ano hito reminds of town!NNR in games such as micro31.

You are totally his scumbuddy.

[PX]

Sorry BT, all my effort towards this game disappeared shortly after D2 started. Honestly I didn't even want to post last night. I'm also willing to role claim, though I doubt it'll get anyone off of me.

[PX]

Actually, people who want me dead would probably LOVE my claim. And d-don't get the wrong impression of me and Rawr. I-it's not like I like him or anything.

[BT]

Crumbing it won't make it any more obvious

>.<

[Dr Rawr]

i thought i crumbed it earlier?

[Amraphenson]

Welcome to NNR vs PX, the event of the day! No, really.
honestly I sorta feel the same about this situation as Polaris does.

Amra, GO POST IN MAFIA. I KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE, AND I HAVE YOUR VOICE AND FACE.

go fuck yourself with a daedalus.

but let's elaborate. (not on the daedalus fucking)

People voting me: Why do you care so much about my reads when PX Your Lord And Savior doesn't provide any himself? Nitpicking on my flimsier reads and not caring about the lack of explained reads in general on PX The Prognosticator is really annoying.

In fact, PX Soothsayer Of Scumminess, when I flip town, who's going to be your next target? You haven't even come up with another scumread this game. There's three scum in this game you know, and that's only made worse when you realize I'm not one of them.

to be completely honest I prefer having someone mediocre compared to someone who's loud and making both shoddy and decent statements. in addition, the whole 'what are you going to do when I end up being town' ploy is one of the oldest tricks in the book and just screams scum. just from personal experience.

Wow that really supports the claim that PX is out to lynch the loudest and most annoying person on his wagon to deflate it.

kettle, meet pot. pot, I'm sure you're very familiar with kettle. from what I see both of you are just focusing on each other for the brunt of things. I'm also not entirely sure how something Serela said relates to how PX's lynching habits. I'm just going to side with PX because, like someone said, the entire game will just revolve around NOISE NOISE NOISE if this isn't done.

@Rawr: I'd honestly appreciate that info too, no lie. would clear my residual doubts about doing this.
conspiracy: they're both scum and they're hoping that getting one lynched will take heat off the other?

##Vote NekoNekoRex

[Amraphenson]

no-one else has really done anything blaringly obvious to a total newb like me so I can't comment on anything else.
the whole rawr+px buddy buddy stuff still creeps me out though.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

I think Dormio hasn't responded yet. <_< Dormio, who are your townreads?

        _{I                                                  I                        time           time                       various                             the mighty Dormio                                                                                                trash}
Watashi does believe that watashi has said jikan and Jikan again in samazama games that watakushi-sama thinks that the concept of townreads is absolute gomi.
                   _{the bravest Dormio                                      people       I                                                                                                          I}
However, Watakushi-sama will provide a list of hito watashi is not paying attention to. That is to say, people watashi wouldn't want lynched.

• Watakushi-sama
• Shadoweh
• Dorian
• Serela
• ConqPolaris
• NNR
• Affinity

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

the whole rawr+px buddy buddy stuff still creeps me out though.

_{you                                                 wonderful                       the wonderful Dormio}
Kimi should totally join the subarashii wagon with watakushi-sama on it then.

[NekoNekoRex]

Because it's not worth it if you keep responding with sarcastic remarks like this and this. Honestly, just a big headache and I seriously don't mind dying right now.

Your posts aren't exactly friendly either

And that he currently prefers addressing his wagon as scum instead of actually identifying any scum on his wagon.

What... wait... what? Are you trashing my scumreads or something? Get real.

"I MIGHT change that BT read OMG" // By the way, you don't have a good reason for doing that -- you thought I was misguided on D1 too. Nothing changed.

It's because your posts have gone from "rational" to "completely made up"

PX deserves scrutiny for his D2 but it's a lot better when you realize that PX's push on NNR ever since it happened reads like he ACTUALLY FINDS HIM TO BE SCUM.

PX's D1 NNR case:
Post 1: NNR's sheep is awful, he is bad and lazy
Post 2 (a day later): dat AtE
PX can't even respond to my posts, all he's been doing is nitpicking and making broad statments.

On the other hand NNR resorted to pushing Zakeri which somehow excused him from putting effort because "but but there's no content there" and I already went over what he's doing now.

Meanwhile I took the time to openly analyze Zakeri's posts and explain why they are scummy. When he posted. Again, just because I don't plug him in every post doesn't mean I'm sitting on the vote and being lazy about it. I was also spending the day making reads and interacting with other players.
It's called "being productive".

Let's not forget the fact that PX claimed role info on rawr. And that NNR claimed untargetable.

...and?

You are totally his scumbuddy.

You are totally PX's scumbuddy.
Actually no maybe not but you're being hella hypocritical.

Actually, people who want me dead would probably LOVE my claim. And d-don't get the wrong impression of me and Rawr. I-it's not like I like him or anything.

TheProblemWithEarlySoftclaims.jpeg
Why would you announce something like that so early in the game if not to put a giant target on your head? If you're claiming the role I think you're claiming, making it so obvious is about the most retarded thing you can do. I considered the fact you had such a role when you went "don't lynch rawr" the first time, but now you're not even believable because nobody would telegraph a role like that so hard.

[NekoNekoRex]

to be completely honest I prefer having someone mediocre compared to someone who's loud and making both shoddy and decent statements. in addition, the whole 'what are you going to do when I end up being town' ploy is one of the oldest tricks in the book and just screams scum. just from personal experience.

Attitude/Posting Style > Scumtells does not a proper vote validate

in addition, the whole 'what are you going to do when I end up being town' ploy is one of the oldest tricks in the book and just screams scum. just from personal experience.

I am asking PX this question because he has no other scumreads. If I'm the scum he's made no indication as to who I could be scum with, bar Dormio as he implied later.
He's mindlessly tunneling on me and not even coming up with a good case.

kettle, meet pot. pot, I'm sure you're very familiar with kettle.

I don't think you got the joke there, I'm simply referencing a comment he made about me (that I'm out to kill the loudest player on my wagon) It's also there to criticize the scum logic Serela has been posting all day.

PX because, like someone said, the entire game will just revolve around NOISE NOISE NOISE if this isn't done.

Get used to it? Some players are louder then others. I happen to be exceptionally loud and intense in my scumhunting efforts.

[NekoNekoRex]

You guys might as well actually lynch Dormio for having hard-to-read posts.

[Amraphenson]

see, his posts aren't really that hard to read anymore. That really hasn't been an issue for a while.

[Amraphenson]

and regardless of reason, you've still painted a 'HEY GUYS I'M SCUM' on your face with that statement

the both of you are tunneling each other at this point.

and instead of actually posting useful you throw out references and vague criticisms that I have to ask for clarification for; you've been complaining about bad scumhunts but right now you're taking up all the attention, so much that others can't be bothered to read or post anything, and that's just a bit counterproductive. I mean, I was joking about the whole conspiracy theory, but I'm starting to think there's some sort of sacrificial-lamb-to-buy-time thing going on here.

no one's really done anything useful this day and it's pretty annoying. it's like staring at the two kids in the yard screaming 'he started it!', so let's get them off the playground and actually start something.

[Affinity]

and regardless of reason, you've still painted a 'HEY GUYS I'M SCUM' on your face with that statement

the both of you are tunneling each other at this point.

and instead of actually posting useful you throw out references and vague criticisms that I have to ask for clarification for; you've been complaining about bad scumhunts but right now you're taking up all the attention, so much that others can't be bothered to read or post anything, and that's just a bit counterproductive. I mean, I was joking about the whole conspiracy theory, but I'm starting to think there's some sort of sacrificial-lamb-to-buy-time thing going on here.

no one's really done anything useful this day and it's pretty annoying. it's like staring at the two kids in the yard screaming 'he started it!', so let's get them off the playground and actually start something.

If you feel that no one is doing anything, then why don't you do or start something yourself?  Why is today, which has mostly been deliberating about PX vs NNR and who to lynch among them, not 'useful'?  Given that the range of people you have been talking about is awfully small compared to the player pool, I don't think your criticism holds any weight.

[NekoNekoRex]

and regardless of reason, you've still painted a 'HEY GUYS I'M SCUM' on your face with that statement

Clearly you don't get it. You're trying to lynch me because I'm loud and annoying, which is a problem you are having with my attitude and frequency of posts.

That is NOT a valid reason to find someone scummy.  My posts are going to be loud and frequent regardless of my alignment, and that's something you're going to have get fucking used to because that's how I get things done in Mafia

the both of you are tunneling each other at this point.

I've been providing frequent reads on other players. Obviously I'm not going to switch off PX though.

and instead of actually posting useful you throw out references and vague criticisms that I have to ask for clarification for;

Would you care to actually provide proof? That seems to be a running theme with the people on my wagon. Stop throwing out baseless accusations and back up some convictions for a change.

you've been complaining about bad scumhunts but right now you're taking up all the attention, so much that others can't be bothered to read or post anything, and that's just a bit counterproductive.

That is not my fault and players are free to discuss and vote anyone else. 

I mean, I was joking about the whole conspiracy theory, but I'm starting to think there's some sort of sacrificial-lamb-to-buy-time thing going on here.

Has anyone even commented on that?

no one's really done anything useful this day and it's pretty annoying. it's like staring at the two kids in the yard screaming 'he started it!', so let's get them off the playground and actually start something.

I've been pushing one case all day. I've been trying to get my scumread lynched by any means necessary. As town, that's what it takes to find and lynch scum.

But tell me, what have you done today? This post is just a bunch of noisy whining that your posts, which contain no original thought or attempts to get somebody else but me or PX lynched. Look at me and PX today. We've (or at least I have) been actually working here trying to get the other one lynched. It's effort and it's not easy. Stop being a bitch and actually go scumhunt if you want to get something done.

[NekoNekoRex]

Anyways PX is obviously not putting any real effort into actually getting me lynched, as evidence to the fact he's never responded to my posts and refuses to answer critical questions from other players.
His reasoning has been lazy and not well explained since D1 ("terrible sheep", "AtE", "LaL is terrible", etc), he basically ignores me while trying to call for a lynch, and even his (soft)claim has been so telegraphed that nobody who actually has that role would make it that obvious. PX doesn't provide more then barebones reads either and makes no effort to seek additional choices that also are viable for lynch, which matters when we likely have a scumteam of more then one (two if Dormio is a scumread) players.

[Affinity]

@BT:

I... don't understand what you're trying to say here. Like he said himself countless times, it's easier to find things to talk about if the guy you're talking about is posting more. Focusing mostly on other things while his vote was standing there isn't necessarily something he chose to do.

My reason for discussing this point was that you say his read on me was natural and town-ish when in reality it... just... isn't, and at worst null. Why do you disbelieve that NNR is scum?

My point is that he could have chosen to vote you instead since he had more content on you.  He had no reason to withhold judgement on you and then vote on Zakeri with a borrowed case unless he really believed it in my opinion.  Your point on why his changing read on you is scummy was that he was trying to give the impression that he was scumhunting.  Why not give that impression with a vote to back it up, instead of a vote somewhere else?  Because NNR really believed it more, that seems to be the explanation here.

I think he's town because I don't believe the rather nonsensical (in my view) assertions that he is not scumhunting and that he's voting PX without looking at the 'bigger picture' (a collection of 50-50 things without consideration of his content) much.  I certainly agree with most of his PX case today quite strongly, for one, and I believe the vote on him is justified.  While I find his lumping of all scumspects to people who were all his wagon yesterday weird and not well-thought out, and that he's being a general ass and a minor nuisance to this game, I think his exchanges with others were rather strong.  For example, when looking at PX-NNR, PX has been repeatedly trying to find reasons to justify his vote on NNR, and when NNR counters them, PX can do nothing but to disregard and try another set of reasons.  The fact that he finds this scummy is pretty justified. 

The only acceptable option remaining in the case of scum-town is that PX decided to gambit early (because he told everyone not to lynch rawr early on), which doesn't fit the fact that he seemed :srsbsns: about this game.

This sentence in favour of PX!town is rather weak (appearances can be faked, and evil deeds born under guiltless guise).  In general there's nothing stopping PX!scum from being actually role-related to town!rawr in some way, or town!PX being related to scum!rawr; and it's impossible to tell the difference. 

===

With that, I won't be around for the deadline. I will deal with other players like Dorian tomorrow.   Vote stays. 

[Serela]

just noting that I won't be back for deadline because I'm leaving for work in a few minutes

[Dorian White]

The summary of my NNR reread:
His scum hunting at last improved a bit, he followed his day one suspicion on PX and Rawr with cases(PX, Rawr), he even picked up suspicion on Dormio just to dismiss them later. But there are also several moments of suspicion against Shadoweh and his exchange with Serela that lead him actually nowhere, at last I haven't seen an conclusions on them. I start to see a pattern here, ?Compare and contrast to my scumreads all of which are low-content, low-frequency posters ...? and that has not changed at all. I even have to agree with him about PX but his mostly inconclusive way to handle his other ?scum picks? make me think that he's more going for easy targets than actual scum hunting. I still think he could be scum.

Actually, people who want me dead would probably LOVE my claim. And d-don't get the wrong impression of me and Rawr. I-it's not like I like him or anything.

Does that really mean what I think it means? That's just hilarious. And I have to say that I was stunned for a good while, mostly cause it would be indeed a bold gambit for scum to pull off, but to crumb it like said you did is nothing less than suicidal as town. Vote stays.

[I have no name]

Ummm...sooo...uhhhh...NNR probated at L-1, assuming my count is right...

Fossil Roo Votecount
Affinity:     (0)
BT:     (0)
Polaris:    Shadoweh (1)
Darkoda:     (0)
Dorian:     (0)
Dormio:     (0)
NekoNekoRex:    PX, Serela, BT, rawr, Polaris, SasAmra-san (6) [L-1]
PX:    NekoNekoRex, Affinity, Dormio, Dorian, Darkoda (5) [L-2]
rawr:     (0)
SasAmra-san:     (0)
Serela:     (0)
Shadoweh:     (0)
Not voting:          no one

With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch.
You have  5  hours remaining to decide on a lynch.

[BT]

I'm choking

How is it suicidal

He first pulled it when people were talking about consolidating on rawr

So that they won't go through with it (and won't waste time too)

It is THE reason to out the connection

(Compare that with what happened in a certain other trainwreck game)

[BT]

I just want the bullshit to end at this point

Shadoweh, please?

[BT]

Seeing NNR pull WIFOM after his anti-bullshit campaign is probably what broke the camel's back

Fuck this, I'm not reading

[Amraphenson]

affinity: thatsall well and good to say that I should be doing somethimg productive, but there's the glaring issue that I'm not sure where to start beyond the obvious, and if there's ANYTHING that's obvious right now it's NNR.

I was under the assumption that nothing I did carried weight anyway because of how new and inexperienced I am? I can really only comment on the people I know personally and the loud ones. Which would be PX/rawr/dormio. And NNR.

from my perspective, mafia is and continues to be an acting exercise. and, as I've stated before, being annoying is not the pettiest reason I've seen to lynch someone. When one actor is being extremely large and is taking away from the rest of the cast, you get rid of them. I sincerely apologize if that's not how we do things here, but as someone who wants to contribute whatever measly reads I can I'm simply trying to get rid of the number one person who's distracting me.

its amusing seeing nnr tell me to dwi his attitude, because the #1 way to deal with actors with that sort of attitude is firing them.

@probation: pfahaha does this happen often?

[I have no name]

@probation: pfahaha does this happen often?

No it does not >_>

[BT]

You're doing fine

For someone who hasn't played internet mafia before you're doing more than fine

Probation doesn't happen often but people getting pissed off isn't anything new

[Dr Rawr]

In general there's nothing stopping PX!scum from being actually role-related to town!rawr in some way, or town!PX being related to scum!rawr; and it's impossible to tell the difference.

my role confirms px to be town. this also isnt angelbeats mafia 2.0 either so were not scumbuddies together either. Im also pretty sure this isnt a bastard mod game either... right?

[Dr Rawr]

actually affinity isnt coming back so w/e