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Touhou Remix: Game Over Man, Game Over!
UncertainJakutten:
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--- Quote from: UncertainKitten on August 21, 2009, 01:48:08 AM ---Further, can you HONESTLY say the town played well? Answer that for me please ^-^.
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Like I said, Tenshi and Kerigis-san really screwed the Town over. Alice was even more of a lurker than usual, and it's a bad sign that the one person I honestly believed the most to be Town was Suwako, hence the MVP.
I'm willing to withdraw my claim that this game was biased against town and just stick with UK's 'it's swingy' comment. Becuase last I checked, a game that fluctuates that rapidly with no warning is at best imba and at worse bastard mod.
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The thing is, if it's unbalanced, it distinctly favors a single team. If it's swingy, any team is favored at any time. It's technically unbalanced but the cumulative unbalance is what balances it when done properly. Admittedly, this game failed in that respect. But no one team REALLY had a huge advantage at any time.
Also, my games tend to be semi bastardly at best. It's kinda been something that's expected of me :S.
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Also, I personally disagree with "If there's on Maf and One SK, the Maf wins" since it basically makes the game even more nintendo hard for the SK, who already has to deal with the stress of being night hit more than once, and not getting lynched even though town has to consider him a valid target if he says anything about his role other than flat out lying about it. Basically, adding "Oh, and on top of having to get the numbers down to yourself and one other person, that one other person has to be townie or else you'll lose anyway."
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Actually, that was only because Suwako couldn't be targetted. If it had been Affinity v. Serpy, it would have been scorched earth/no one wins. It wasn't an automatic Mafia v. SK maf win.
--- Quote ---Basically, Serp's best play for day two was to roleclaim as serial killer and then convince people to have Neitz survive target him. Surprisingly enough, this would almost definitely have lead to him winning due to the setup.
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Yeah, basically. Hence why I feel bad that I did something that stupid.
--- Quote ---Cut by Jan-san: wait a minute... GOD DAMN IT. I just now realized that my reason for not targeting Serp was invalid. It was because I had confused Jan-san for Xan and thought Sodium had replace Jan-san instead of Xan. which means the whole time I thought it was Jan-san's role that flipped scum during the Haiku-off. fuck me with a spork, I had been trying to reason all day 4 why SerpScum would target JanScum for the time he did. I really hate inactives now.
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Sorry, I try to keep the front page updated so you can keep track...
--- Quote ---I believe the game setup had a higher chance of being decided by luck, rather than skill or effort.
That said - I do not believe Scum won due to luck.
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I agree here. Though I think skill is not as minimal as you think. I freely admit this was more a night game than a day game. Most role madness games are.
Kiro:
I'm really not eager to argue this all the way into the night...
Hey, I thought I played the Cop ok. The thing that complicated it for me was me Drinking first because I couldn't resist doing so being a real life alcoholic (I had a beer after I sent in that Night 1 action to boot). I reasoned well enough that I could believe the Innocent Alice result. I was almost guaranteed to make a mistake, but the problem was that the mistake came in LYLO.
Anyways, a 1-1-1 haiku-off... as much fun as that would be, it's the mod kinda deciding the game right there which is bullshit imo. None of the losers might be satisfied with such a result especially if the haikus are reasonably close in quality.
Actually, I don't think the 1-shot SK is imbalanced. I just completely underestimated the fact we'd be in a 33% anti-Town game. And yea, if Serp claimed SK, I probably would have tied that in with Nietz claim and gone with the Affinity lynch. I just thought he was Scum trying to hide behind a Survivor's mask. Although we still might have screwed ourselves in Day 5. Yea..... I'm tempted to say Town could have won this game. But it's still pretty difficult conditions.
UncertainJakutten:
--- Quote from: Kiro on August 21, 2009, 01:59:20 AM ---I'm really not eager to argue this all the way into the night...
Hey, I thought I played the Cop ok. The thing that complicated it for me was me Drinking first because I couldn't resist doing so being a real life alcoholic (I had a beer after I sent in that Night 1 action to boot). I reasoned well enough that I could believe the Innocent Alice result. I was almost guaranteed to make a mistake, but the problem was that the mistake came in LYLO.
Anyways, a 1-1-1 haiku-off... as much fun as that would be, it's the mod kinda deciding the game right there which is bullshit imo. None of the losers might be satisfied with such a result especially if the haikus are reasonably close in quality.
Actually, I don't think the 1-shot SK is imbalanced. I just completely underestimated the fact we'd be in a 33% anti-Town game. And yea, if Serp claimed SK, I probably would have tied that in with Nietz claim and gone with the Affinity lynch. I just thought he was Scum trying to hide behind a Survivor's mask. Although we still might have screwed ourselves in Day 5. Yea..... I'm tempted to say Town could have won this game. But it's still pretty difficult conditions.
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To the first, yes, you played cop well. I was impressed to be honest. Many would not have done as well. I do want to bring that role back but make it slightly more obvious what you need to do without giving it away, I just don't know how.
And yes, a 1-1-1 haiku off WOULD be lame to an extent. But, I've had situations like that happen before (tie in lylo), and I've basically judged the haiku based on amusingness and not alignment. I haven't had anyone complain about it either. So, I don't worry so much about it.
Serp wasn't one shot. Though, I'm thinking that making him one shot and giving him complete bulletproof might make it more interesting.
Well, it was difficult on D4. D3 and D2, not so much.
EDIT: Oh yeah, about the haiku being close in quality. Odds are I'd call in a third party or two.
Kiro:
Actually, yeah. I fucked up. Serp and Affinity were equal in my eyes and thus, it shouldn't have mattered if I went for Affinity instead. I didn't consider the possible Survivor/SK angle enough and stubbornly went after Serp most likely because of my investigative result. Serp hinted at me for a while to consider this, but I turned a blind eye to it.
Brb, I'm fixing myself a HARD drink right now.
UncertainJakutten:
--- Quote from: Kiro on August 21, 2009, 02:05:28 AM ---Actually, yeah. I fucked up. Serp and Affinity were equal in my eyes and thus, it shouldn't have mattered if I went for Affinity instead. I didn't consider the possible Survivor/SK angle enough and stubbornly went after Serp most likely because of my investigative result. Serp hinted at me for a while to consider this, but I turned a blind eye to it.
Brb, I'm fixing myself a HARD drink right now.
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To be honest, Serpy claiming to be a survivor that stole the music was BEYOND retarded. No offense but what the hell was that about?
And aww...I didn't mean to drive you to drinking Kiro :(.