Dungeon N' Fighter, also known as Dungeon Fighter Online

[Hanzo K.]

What sort of weapons and armor are good for the Avenger?
Also, how hard is it to get the Prayer Exorcist items? because I just found the belt, Prayer Exorcist Band.
I didn't know plate armor boosts carrying capacity too!

Don't Asuras use plate too?

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Don't Asuras use plate too?

Ye.

[Rikter]

I still don't get how Frenzy is supposed to get good around level 40 I still seem to be unable to cause enough bleeding and kill fast enough to sustain it.

[Hanzo K.]

Zerker, right? I'd say get a better sword.

[Vilkni]

What sort of weapons and armor are good for the Avenger?
Also, how hard is it to get the Prayer Exorcist items? because I just found the belt, Prayer Exorcist Band.
I didn't know plate armor boosts carrying capacity too!

Don't Asuras use plate too?

Avengers use heavy armor/scythes. That's it, really, since the entire class is based around the scythe's attack speed despite its lower magic attacks strength yet it is fully percent-based with the exception of the level 60/70 EX active skills, the awakening, and Furious Grab.

[Hanzo K.]

Yeah, looks like I'm going Exorcist. I already have some items for becoming one anyhow. (A little plate armor, and the Shauta Rosary.)

[Vilkni]

Yeah, looks like I'm going Exorcist. I already have some items for becoming one anyhow. (A little plate armor, and the Shauta Rosary.)

That one is practically 2 subclasses in one, actually. Physical Exo uses plate armor and axe, while Magical Exo uses cloth and the rosary. Yes, this sounds funny but there's a reason that it has the most tp skill upgrades out of any subclass in the game despite there being plenty of subclasses that have many tp upgrades.

Crusaders use plate armor and cross, while monks use heavy armor and do use totems as a weapon of foucs,  but monks can use any weapon (note: they should use axe to make their physical dps even better).

[Hanzo K.]

What about using Plate and a Rosary? Because that's what I'm thinking.
See, I like the physical moves, but I hate the slowness of the axe. For some reason the rosary just does better for me.


So anyhow, I got this Fighter F, mmkay? She's using the Kurogaru Nails right now, and I'm loving the +2 to Suplex and Knee Drop.
Question is, what subclass should I upgrade to? I don't really want a nen master, because I've partied with one, and I barely get a hit in edgewise with him
I do like how Brawlers can just jump on enemies and pummel them, how Strikers can go all Street Fighter on enemies, and how the Grappler just goes all Pro Wrestling on 'em.
Question is, do Female Grapplers have access to Knee Drop? Or is that a Striker thing?

[Vilkni]

What about using Plate and a Rosary? Because that's what I'm thinking.
See, I like the physical moves, but I hate the slowness of the axe. For some reason the rosary just does better for me.


So anyhow, I got this Fighter F, mmkay? She's using the Kurogaru Nails right now, and I'm loving the +2 to Suplex and Knee Drop.
Question is, what subclass should I upgrade to? I don't really want a nen master, because I've partied with one, and I barely get a hit in edgewise with him
I do like how Brawlers can just jump on enemies and pummel them, how Strikers can go all Street Fighter on enemies, and how the Grappler just goes all Pro Wrestling on 'em.
Question is, do Female Grapplers have access to Knee Drop? Or is that a Striker thing?

Plate armor only gives strength, which is why magic exos use rosary and cloth armor, sorry to say that.

Also, you partied with a male nen master which is a very frantic magic melee class, actually. Female Nen Masters are more support and ranged focused.

Knee Drop sounds like a male fighter skill, actually. I'm assuming you meant Suplex, and yes Female Grapplers have access to that one.

[Hanzo K.]

Huh, I already have Suplex, because Female Fighters have it stock as a move they get before promoting.
The site doesn't say anything about Male Fighters in the skills page, so I guess it's their version of Suplex. Guess they can get twice the use out of being grapplers with it then.

Hm...Though I have found a decent plate belt, I might use that for it's bonuses.

[Vilkni]

Huh, I already have Suplex, because Female Fighters have it stock as a move they get before promoting.
The site doesn't say anything about Male Fighters in the skills page, so I guess it's their version of Suplex. Guess they can get twice the use out of being grapplers with it then.

Hm...Though I have found a decent plate belt, I might use that for it's bonuses.

Actually, Knee Drop replaces Suplex for male fighters, so they don't get twice the use out of being grapplers with them. You see, female Grapplers are entirely fixed strength based with the exception of Shoulder Tackle, and Male Grapplers are more percent-based but lose all the holding power that the female Grappler has.

Anyways, you might want to stifle through this skill planner: http://arad.ofli.es/. This site lets you build what you think your level 70 is going to have in terms of skills, QP spend usage, and TP upgrades.

EDIT: Although I would go Physical Exo for leveling to level 50, seeing as Magic Exos are fragile but powerful AoE attackers, and until that point hits, they really can't do anything wihtout leveling as Physical Exo. Or if you would prefer, you can buy a dual build license for your Exorcist to let you use both Physical Exo build AND Magic Exo Build.

[Hanzo K.]

I see. But you gotta admit, Grappler F is hella flashy.
I'll tinker with that thing once I get my Mage M to G.Master though, so I can actually tinker proper.
(For some inane reason, the glacial master page doesn't have anything from generic mage m.)

[Vilkni]

I see. But you gotta admit, Grappler F is hella flashy.
I'll tinker with that thing once I get my Mage M to G.Master though, so I can actually tinker proper.
(For some inane reason, the glacial master page doesn't have anything from generic mage m.)

Yeah, F. Grapplers are indeed flashy.

As for the generic mage male for GMs, the only skill worth maxing in that is Icy White Sword which is one of the best skills a GM can use. Everything is either not worth using or only bought at level 1/stay there for their utility.

[Hanzo K.]

Seriously? because a lot of the other moves I've seen have pretty good damage.
http://youtu.be/E1z0PDqKQk4
As evidenced by not only the official demo vid(seen above), but by this vid of one at Lv28.
Now I dunno about you, but this class sure seems like it's got a lot more use than just maxing Icewhite Sword.
(Icy White Sword? Sounds like a lame name to me, I'll call it Icewhite Sword from here on.)

EDIT: Yeah, I know, avatar items, big whoop. Still doing decent enough damage for me.

[Vilkni]

Seriously? because a lot of the other moves I've seen have pretty good damage.
http://youtu.be/E1z0PDqKQk4
As evidenced by not only the official demo vid(seen above), but by this vid of one at Lv28.
Now I dunno about you, but this class sure seems like it's got a lot more use than just maxing Icewhite Sword.
(Icy White Sword? Sounds like a lame name to me, I'll call it Icewhite Sword from here on.)

Yeah, I just mentioned that because the Ice White Sword is actually a pretty good skill, but there is one or two skills you want to avoid in the class skill - Namely the Ice Trap move because if the grab part of it misses you sit through a longass animation while the enemy is free to beat on you. Also, please don't level Windmill Spear beyond 3 or Ice Crash beyond 1, though.

[Hanzo K.]

Windmill Spear kinda requires a spear doesn't it? (Like how some gunner moves require a handcannon)
Or is it that forward charge move you see in those vids?

And what's wrong with Ice Crash? (It is that one Ice Hammer move, right?)

[Vilkni]

Windmill Spear kinda requires a spear doesn't it? (Like how some gunner moves require a handcannon)
Or is it that forward charge move you see in those vids?

And what's wrong with Ice Crash? (It is that one Ice Hammer move, right?)

Windmill Spear doesn't require a spear, but the issue is that skill has literally bad hitbox and it does crappy amount of damage even if you somehow hit with all of the hits. And that forward charge move is actually Snow Flower Spear, and it is so worth maxing that one.

No, Ice crash is the superspeed ice drill move, but it only does its full damage if it can grab enemies, so that's why you only put in one point to break Super Armor for enemies you can grab. Ice Crusher is fine, and it's actually the Ice Hammer move.

[Hanzo K.]

Ah.
I guess I'll only get some of the moves if they're needed for others. (Such as windmill spear if it's a prereq for Snow Flower Spear.)

And so far I have pretty good luck with grab moves, it's why I use Suplex and Trap Strike so often. (I'll probably swap Trap Strike for Ice Crash when I can though.)
I'll admit though, Trap Strike I don't use near as often as Suplex or Smasher. I do like it as a move to force enemies to back off though.
(Smacking goons into each other is a bonus.)

Besides, Drills are badass. And using Ice Crusher means I get to make Cirno Jokes. :3
"Mage smash puny Goblin!"


EDIT: And plus, Concentrated Fury seems to have synergy with Magic Cannon. I have Cancel - C.Fury, and I often mix that into my normal attacks, and often follow it up with Magic Cannon if there's a herd of enemies. Haven't been disappointed yet!

[Vilkni]

Ah.
I guess I'll only get some of the moves if they're needed for others. (Such as windmill spear if it's a prereq for Snow Flower Spear.)

And so far I have pretty good luck with grab moves, it's why I use Suplex and Trap Strike so often. (I'll probably swap Trap Strike for Ice Crash when I can though.)
I'll admit though, Trap Strike I don't use near as often as Suplex or Smasher. I do like it as a move to force enemies to back off though.
(Smacking goons into each other is a bonus.)

Besides, Drills are badass. And using Ice Crusher means I get to make Cirno Jokes. :3
"Mage smash puny Goblin!"


EDIT: And plus, Concentrated Fury seems to have synergy with Magic Cannon. I have Cancel - C.Fury, and I often mix that into my normal attacks, and often follow it up with Magic Cannon if there's a herd of enemies. Haven't been disappointed yet!

The thing with Conc Fury/Magic Cannon is that Glacier Masters can't use them efficently unlike Elemental Bombers, and they leave Conc. Fury at level 3 because it only adds attack strength directly onto your Elemental Shift and Magic Cannon is at level 1 because of the elec proc which only scales with Elemental Shift's level.

And yeah, Glacier Masters are damn fun, I'll give them that.

[Hanzo K.]

Well, I still haven't promoted yet though, so they're interim moves until then. I get a free reskill on promoting anyhow.
(It happened on my slayer, and my gunner when they promoted, so this is no different.)

Anyhow, I'll be putzing around on Ch34 soon enough, got up to Lv17 by doing the ghoulguish questline, which is the last of what I gotta do in Grand Flores.
Next stop, Sky Tower! (Maybe I should kept that one magic-sealed spear that had a bonus against dragonoids..)


EDIT: How the devil do you get Inferior Paving Stones? All I've found are Raw Paving Stones.

[Vilkni]

Well, I still haven't promoted yet though, so they're interim moves until then. I get a free reskill on promoting anyhow.
(It happened on my slayer, and my gunner when they promoted, so this is no different.)

Anyhow, I'll be putzing around on Ch34 soon enough, got up to Lv17 by doing the ghoulguish questline, which is the last of what I gotta do in Grand Flores.
Next stop, Sky Tower! (Maybe I should kept that one magic-sealed spear that had a bonus against dragonoids..)


EDIT: How the devil do you get Inferior Paving Stones? All I've found are Raw Paving Stones.

Roger can make you Inferior Paving Stones, but if you're using recipes, don't really bother with them, IMO.

[Hanzo K.]

Well, I got this recipe for a magic-sealed necklace, so I figured I'd give it the ol' college try, see if it stacks up to the Tau Beast Horns I have.

[Vilkni]

Well, I got this recipe for a magic-sealed necklace, so I figured I'd give it the ol' college try, see if it stacks up to the Tau Beast Horns I have.

Hm, did you know you can recast magic-sealed purples 2 items at a time for a specific weapon class/armor type/accessories/special equipments? But really, you have to make enough recipes so that you cam more likely start at +8 for said item for that type, which is a massive grind, imo.

[Hanzo K.]

Yeah, I got this one rod that's piss compared to my Sellion Tail(Which happens to be the recommended weapon for my level!), so I want something to fuse with it to get a better shoulder armor.
(It's the only armor I have that ISN'T cloth.)

EDIT: Well, wasn't a bad go at all! +6 Sky-Blue Necklace Glory C. This oughta be a good recast material!
EDIT 2: Scored a Vitality Linen Pants Intellect B! Jaa-aa-aackpot!

EDIT 3: Hey, is this an okay build for a Glacial?

[Vilkni]

This is a better build, imo: also, you need to get teleport for quick escapes.

Raging Water Pillar doesn't come off cooldown fast enough for the TP upgrade to be worth it, IMO. Also, you don't really need level 10 flame shield.

[Hanzo K.]

Uh, it's not flame shield, it's Ghost Flame. I use it for the buff, not for the attack.
Plus, that build's aiming for that one title you get at Lv70 with 0 bonus points left. I can't really buy stuff like Lethe Waters that easily after all.
(It's tough being poor.)

[Vilkni]

See, the thing with Ghost Flame is that their defense bonuses really starts sucking at high levels, since it doesn't scale much more than at level 10, so it's not worth getting the skill at all, especially since it doesn't make much difference in a game where the name of the game is not to get hit even if they wear one armor tier higher than elemental bombers. Remember, both are glass nukes, which is why they need to be far more mobile than they seem at first.

And yes, I see what you mean about Perfectionist but there's enough sp that you can carefully spend into to get the title because it only unlocks when you spend all points at level 70, NOT when you ding level 70 with zero points.

EDIT: I notice I'm seeming a little harsh, but I don't think Ghost Flame is worth it at all as a buff imho. ANd yeah, I derp'd hard somehow and misread ghost flame as flame shield. Sorry about that.

EDIT2: I'm now really liking avengers at the moment, their damage potential is actually good even without the cubes, just gotta have good sense of comboing well with Devil Strike and planning around your easily stopped skills.

[Hanzo K.]

Ghost Flame also buffs Attack too I feel, which is my big reason for using it.
See, I really like using the basic attack, and Ghost Flame has a tendency to add on another 80-100 damage to my already respectable bolts.
(I'm Lv18, and clocking 230+ damage a bolt. 280-320+ with Ghost Flame.)

[Vilkni]

I checked, and actually... it only buffs defense for physical/magical defense. And it's almost 2k per bolt currently up. Which sounds a lot but thing is, at level 70, it isn't as much as it would seem at first, and I'm tight for SP as it is.

EDIT: Ah, you're using it for attacking - it's crappy at attacking, since it maxes out at 534% at level 20, and I have 21 days of lethe's contract to test shit out.

[Hanzo K.]

Huh. I thought it buffed attack too. It sure felt like it did.
At any rate, I'm now a Lv20 Glacial, and I've got a lot of SP to work with, and not enough skills to use it on.