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[Raitaki]

Wait wait wait

Raitaki knows he's not the cop for obvious reasons

...Sooo I shot IHNN because I know he's not the cop for obvious reasons..? Need explanation

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

he = you

[NekoNekoRex]

Without me this game isn't adorable enough, therefore these links are obigatory

[Raitaki]

However, YOUR claim gave a role description that a) didn't match any of the posted roles and b) had nothing to do with actually describing the role aside from stating that you're a townie

still bugs me because really look in your role PMs, it shouldn't describe anything about your role aside from stating that you're a townie. unless you're The Scum. given the environment Raitaki is from him pulling this as scum isn't too big of a stretch actually. There's no reason that Rai would have needed to rely  on Pesco's reply to his NNR vote to decide whether NNR's vanilla claim made sense when Rai could have looked at his own damn PM.

I meant the "Praline" descriptor. At the time I thought "Vanilla" in my role PM was part of the role "Vanilla Townie" listed in the OP, and I thought "Praline" was just pure flavor text that had nothing to do with the role, so I was wondering why his role name had flavor text (except for the name with image embedded) and mine didn't.

biggest problem here: all Raitaki's reads that aren't on scum come off incredibly weak.

Now I'd say my cases on PX and Serela weren't strong either. Unless you call a "he did this and it makes no sense" and a "hey he's flailing much like me" strong.

letting PX off for a VT claim which Raitaki doesn't even trust is unexplained and questionable

Not quoted: link to the post where I said I based the PX vote partly on his #188, to which he claimed he couldn't elaborate on because of irl stuff which I couldn't argue against.

Pussying out and not being able to pick a player to hammer when he had a thought process he could cite is unbelievably bad and re-enforces that he's scared of taking responsibility for a hammer (D2).

Now this is true. But if townies are never supposed to avoid taking responsibilities for shaky hunches they have (i.e. extend survivability against day lynches and vigshots) then I'll need someone to explain to me this lynch-first-regret-and-accept-lynch-later town mindset to me.

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I meant the "Praline" descriptor. At the time I thought "Vanilla" in my role PM was part of the role "Vanilla Townie" listed in the OP, and I thought "Praline" was just pure flavor text that had nothing to do with the role, so I was wondering why his role name had flavor text (except for the name with image embedded) and mine didn't.

...but you were attacking NNR for having a role name that wasn't in the OP? How would that make Praline be flavor text?

Now I'd say my cases on PX and Serela weren't strong either. Unless you call a "he did this and it makes no sense" and a "hey he's flailing much like me" strong.

Not quoted: link to the post where I said I based the PX vote partly on his #188, to which he claimed he couldn't elaborate on because of irl stuff which I couldn't argue against.

Point is less the strength of the cases and more that you pushed / cared more when you were on scum than when you were on town. When you were on town you came off super indecisive. PX having IRL issues doesn't actually resolve him of suspicion since scum can have those too, and can utilize them scummily (note him avoiding posting to leave his vote down on the counterwagon to Serela, etc).

Now this is true. But if townies are never supposed to avoid taking responsibilities for shaky hunches they have (i.e. extend survivability against day lynches and vigshots) then I'll need someone to explain to me this lynch-first-regret-and-accept-lynch-later town mindset to me.

Town prioritize lynching scum over surviving, especially when they're Vanilla Townie, The Most Powerful Mafia Role and have freedom to say whatever knowing town's not losing major power if they get shot/lynched. This isn't saying BE SUICIDAL, but you shouldn't refrain from throwing your weight around because you might be attacked over it, that's a scum mindset. There was no reason to not try to figure out which of Kilga and I was more likely scum if you wanted to lynch scum that day.

I Would Like To Hear From Shadoweh On This Matter.

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Also, if you're town, who do you currently think the scum is?

[Raitaki]

Point is less the strength of the cases and more that you pushed / cared more when you were on scum than when you were on town. When you were on town you came off super indecisive. PX having IRL issues doesn't actually resolve him of suspicion since scum can have those too, and can utilize them scummily (note him avoiding posting to leave his vote down on the counterwagon to Serela, etc).

If you noticed, I kept pushing the flipped scums because nobody (including those players) gave me any reason to doubt the flaws I based my votes on. For PX I did hesitate for a while after he attributed his inability to elaborate on #188 to irl reasons. I was gonna follow through with Omba too, but then he claimed PR and nobody counter claimed and I backed down. All my other cases have been taken down because I was given reason to think that my suspicions are correct.

Was that a probe question? You saw how badly I've been doing since D4.

[Shadoweh]

My immediate just-woke-up thought is this:

Your endgame is lynching wraitakie? Really? Really?

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My immediate just-woke-up thought is this:

Your endgame is lynching wraitakie? Really? Really?

I haven't voted yet vOv

[Shadoweh]

Don't be cute with me, that's what you're driving at. I already know what the votecounts say about it. Despite my immediate urge to lynch you out of TOWNIE RAGE for the comments about Kilga 'throwing the game as scum by not self-hammering' I've decided you are more of a busser then that. Raitaki, as much as I would like to pin the blame on him, is too wraithie to be scum. So.

So now it's LYLO
and this is crazy
but ##Vote: BT
and scum lynch maybe

Also. Being Vanilla Town sucks all the CUTENESS.

[Raitaki]

Wat.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Nobody alive has even played with wrathie so I wouldn't make that comparision. I want to hear BT thoughts atm.

[Shadoweh]

If you noticed, I kept pushing the flipped scums because nobody (including those players) gave me any reason to doubt the flaws I based my votes on. For PX I did hesitate for a while after he attributed his inability to elaborate on #188 to irl reasons. I was gonna follow through with Omba too, but then he claimed PR and nobody counter claimed and I backed down. All my other cases have been taken down because I was given reason to think that my suspicions are correct.

Was that a probe question? You saw how badly I've been doing since D4.

No one cares about what you did in the past. So you were voting the scums for being scum. Huh what is arguing that you seem incapable of voting the town. What do you think of the last three people alive? I told you before. If you don't give reasons, people are going to lynch you for looking like scum that has no opinions.

[Shadoweh]

And since I'm giving this the full go I supose I should stare at huh what too. Because I am self-centered, can you tell me why you thought Neko would get killed and not me? I can understand the reasoning that he was p. much confirmed town, but LYLO is very much a take who you want with you situation and frankly I don't think anyone besides you has the balls to make a scum case on me. Who wanted Neko dead the most?

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Don't really know how to answer this aside from by saying that I don't think you're invincible at all. Also of all the people alive I'm the most likely to kill Neko over you :selfmeta:

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Actually I misunderstood what you were asking. I still don't have an answer for this because I think it's kind of a dumb question. I do have some more specific thoughts but don't want to bring them up yet.

[Shadoweh]

You guys always think my questions are dumb. I ask them anyways. (Posting because I'm still here and waiting for Raitaki to answer and a little bored.)

[BT]

And BT wins the prize for Too Many Times in LYLO.

Thoughts will come. Just got home and didn't have time to prep anything huge yesterday.

~~~BT~~~

• This quote:seriously frustrates me whenever I read it. It's basically a classic way of scum trying to make sure they don't look distanced from the wagon on their buddy. Only it's not something I'd expect to be followed up with an unjustified bus vote. Ugh. BT, why was NekoRex magically okay again despite your earlier pressure when you made your Serela switch and why was IHNN bussing Serela?
  
• What happened to the throwaway Kilga case here during D3?
  
• Posting a point for lynching PX while unvoting makes the switch look better imo because why would scum do that if the point of the post was to go "yeah you have a point"? though might be good acting I guess argh.
  
• Also FWIW I ISO'd Barney and he basically never addressed me or Affinity unless we were pressuring him or he was talking about a mislynch's interaction with us. It contrasts with BT bussing basically everybody this game but it's been several months and his buddies in Psycho's Prophecy weren't Serela and PX, so uh. I don't really like meta but I'm just throwing that out there in case somebody wants to actually do something with it.

Let's see. NNR kept bothering me with little things but I generally let it fly during D1. Closest I was to voting him was at the very beginning of the game. The Serela case was solid (esp. for D1) and agreeable so it easily out-prio'd NNR.
I thought IHNN was bussing at the time because (1) he gutted Serela as town before and the switch was abrupt (2) the vote was more or less a rehash of Shadoweh's case (3) it was a solid spot on the wagon and (4) he needed a vote.
The case on Kilga wasn't very strong at the time (acknowledged it in that link); it gained some steam during D3, but then I already felt better about the PX vote.

The last scum at the moment is really silly since I cleared each of you at one point or several throughout the game, yet there's scum somewhere so wheee. I'm going to try and point out new things rather than continue waffling on "which clear is better", because holy shit that goes nowhere fast and pretty much encompasses my thoughts from yesterday. (yesterday being 24 hours ago yesterday)

[Raitaki]

Not yet finished rereading people, but after reviewing final vote counts of lynch bandwagons and other big bandwagons at their critical mass, I realized that:
+ HW was on pretty much all of them, except for Serela's and PX's D2 wagons.
+ BT came a close second with 1 less wagon jump if I counted right, and in his case he didn't hop on my and NNR's bandwagons.
+ Shadoweh didn't jump wagons as much, but it seems all wagons she jumped had scum on them one point or another. This includes the D1 IHNN wagon that also included PX, BT and Serela. It seems unlikely that scum!Shadoweh (and her scumbuddies) would (let her) jump on wagons with scum this much, and as I see it a PX/Serela/Shadoweh scumteam wouldn't have the skills and guts to use Shadoweh to mindscrew around this much, so I think Shadoweh isn't scum.
+ Actually for that matter, even if BT was scum instead it's still unlikely that he would agree to pile all scum votes on IHNN like that while the case against him wasn't solid

So with the possibility of all 3 scum being on IHNN wagon tentatively discarded, that leaves HW.
HW is now my prime suspect.

[Raitaki]

EBWOP
HW was also not on the D1 IHNN wagon and the Omba wagons if iirc. Derp

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The third scum IHNN vote would've been Serela in that situation so I wouldn't find it too weird if two scum were on IHNN, but then Serela couldn't think of anything else so he joined them because :serela:.

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Eh, I re-read Raitaki / Serela interactions and nope I was wrong BT looks the scummiest. Interesting: the point PX hopped away from IHNN just because was when the wagon was BT / PX / Serela, which actually makes a lot of sense if he didn't want to be a voting block with his scumbuddies.

I'll wait for him to post cases though.

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Mainly because;

cut and Raitaki if you hammer I'm going to hurt you, seriously. Pretty sure plenty of other people will frown at you for that too on D2. There's still discussion and stuff going on here and we've got time.

This reads as if Serela was actively trying to bully Rai into not hammering him. If they were buddies then the middle sentence was not needed and Serela would probably go ramble about whether it was worth it or not in the quicktopic or soemthing.

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Raitaki are you still around?

[Raitaki]

Oh, just got back on.
Hmm. Think I'll go look at the proceedings during the IHNN wagon again.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Constant re-reading has made me waffle and tire of this game.

##Vote: BT (L-1)
I don't expect my opinions to change in a logical manner at this point. Raitaki, post to either confirm yourself if you're town or win the game by hammering if you're scum. If it's the former then I'll re-read Shadoweh again and explain why one of (BT, Shadoweh, but probably BT) is the scums and not me. If it's the latter then I'm going back to whatever the fuck I was doing in NHK.

Also fuck off graveyard.

[Raitaki]

Hmm. Okay, PX did look like he was kneejerking away from the IHNN wagon when he switched to NNR. Shadoweh's pouncing on Serela with cases while town was still somewhat forgiving to his waffling and etc seems to me as though either Shadoweh was town, or scum!Shadoweh decided to throw away Serela VERY EARLY. I don't think the later case is very probable.

Also asdasd reading takes time and I was eating lunch

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

So is that confirmation you're not quickhammering?

[Raitaki]

Are you trying to get me to hammer BT RIGHT NOW?
:| :| :|

##FoS huh what

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

...the point is that if you're scum you would quickhammer to win the game. By not quickhammering you're confirming yourself as either town, or if you're actually scum anyway, an asshole.