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Re: Magical Lotus - Mahou Shoujou Byakuren - Episode 2, part 3
« Reply #150 on: July 12, 2012, 08:45:05 PM »
That is a possibility. Lily didn't really comment on an origin, she just said, "Not the snakes again."

I wouldn't assume they came from the demon itself at this point, but it's certainly a good thing to keep in mind. Good lookin' out, Hanzo.

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Re: Magical Lotus - Mahou Shoujou Byakuren - Episode 2, part 3
« Reply #151 on: July 12, 2012, 08:55:05 PM »
It's a logical conclusion. Byakuren's also the sort who would logically come to that conclusion.
Also consider that in canon, Byakuren's classification aside from Magician, is that of Buddhist Monk.
Those guys, while known for being peaceful, will also jump into combat if need be.
Byakuren herself also comes across as the sort who, when it gets right down to it, will fight if need be. And right now Kiku's in danger, which is a very valid reason to fight.
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Re: Magical Lotus - Mahou Shoujou Byakuren - Episode 2, part 3
« Reply #152 on: July 12, 2012, 09:02:37 PM »
It's a logical conclusion, but one with no real proof behind it yet, which is why it shouldn't be acted on yet, given the circumstances.  But definitely a good thing to keep in mind.

As for the latter point, I would say it's more of a valid reason to save Kiku than to fight. Obviously, if one requires the other, than so be it. But just doing it immediately isn't a thing that would be done. There's kinda a wide range of monks, so it's a bit more complicated than what you say, but generally speaking, aside from temple soldiers like Sohei (troops who shaved their heads, became 'monks', then did military stuff on behalf of temples seeking poltical power during the warring states period) violence is eschewed as a first or second resort.

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« Reply #153 on: July 12, 2012, 09:08:34 PM »
I would say Byakuren falls under a subtype of Sohei. Seeing as how she did fight to being about peace.
There's a difference between fighting for no reason, and fighting to bring about peace.

The latter of which being what we're gunning for.
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Re: Magical Lotus - Mahou Shoujou Byakuren - Episode 2, part 3
« Reply #154 on: July 12, 2012, 10:28:02 PM »
Actually, Sohei were pretty much only a step removed from mercenaries. They were literally just shaved their head, and that was all the nod they gave toward their monastic order. They were literally just the Japanese equivalent of papal armies in Italy, existing entirely to enforce a political will. I am pretty sure the only reason the head shaving to dodge legal requirements that temples couldn't have armies.

But I get what you're saying. Just history.

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Re: Magical Lotus - Mahou Shoujou Byakuren - Episode 2, part 3
« Reply #155 on: July 13, 2012, 12:34:18 AM »
I would agree with not using violence as a first resort. The martial arts developed by the monks were meant for self-defense, and I would think Byakuren would share that attitude. The thing is that we've already been attacked, and yes, it was servants that attacked us, but the demon was the one responsible. I guess that if you want to give it one more try, then go ahead, but if it strikes at us, we likely will need to fight back.

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Re: Magical Lotus - Mahou Shoujou Byakuren - Episode 2, part 3
« Reply #156 on: July 13, 2012, 12:45:23 AM »
I largely agree. Shall we go back to calling out to Kiku and getting to her side/front as situation dictates, then? Or would you prefer to see if Sour suggests purifying her might do some good?

(Also, as I understand it, the martial arts in regards to monastics were for body discipline primarily, and you're really not supposed to use them. This is why there are so many weird and impractical martial arts weapons like the kama and the lajatang; to serve as a training and discipline aid)

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Re: Magical Lotus - Mahou Shoujou Byakuren - Episode 2, part 3
« Reply #157 on: July 13, 2012, 01:00:50 AM »
I'm for the latter. We purify the ring, and it might just result in a new ally like I've been suspecting.
Plus, it'll keep Kiku out of the demon's hands.

(Also, said martial arts ended up being surprisingly useful when people wouldn't listen to reason, and got belligerent/violent. Whcih is what most, if not all demons are. Just look at how the one lady was. And she wasn't even a Demon, she was just a Demonslave.)
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Re: Magical Lotus - Mahou Shoujou Byakuren - Episode 2, part 3
« Reply #158 on: July 13, 2012, 01:08:15 AM »
(Hanzo's right. Martial arts were used as a form of self-defense by monks who had sworn off the use of weapons, which, naturally, made them otherwise easy targets for bandits and other criminals.)

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Re: Magical Lotus - Mahou Shoujou Byakuren - Episode 2, part 3
« Reply #159 on: July 13, 2012, 01:16:46 AM »
I maintain that's too aggressive at this point, but I suppose I can yield. Just, it's going to make actually trying future non-violent action on the big guy harder. And, I think we can trust Kiku to do the right thing if knows she's not alone.

And the self defense part was a secondary thing, not a primary one, is my point.

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Re: Magical Lotus - Mahou Shoujou Byakuren - Episode 2, part 3
« Reply #160 on: July 13, 2012, 01:32:33 AM »
So, are we in agreement then?
The plan is as follows. We get between Kiku and the Ring, or get beside Kiku, and then purify said ring.
If Mr. Batty-Hiss-Hiss doesn't like it, then he'll get a taste of purification himself.
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Re: Magical Lotus - Mahou Shoujou Byakuren - Episode 2, part 3
« Reply #161 on: July 13, 2012, 01:39:09 AM »
Let's focus on getting by Kiku and getting her attention, then figure out the next step. Best to treat it like a hostage negotiation; don't want to startle the mark. I don't believe purifying the bat will do much, I think he's less corrupted than a source of corruption. That is, he doesn't really have an uncorrupted state as of right now. But I've got plans for that,

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Re: Magical Lotus - Mahou Shoujou Byakuren - Episode 2, part 3
« Reply #162 on: July 13, 2012, 01:39:44 AM »
Figure of speech.
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Re: Magical Lotus - Mahou Shoujou Byakuren - Episode 2, part 3
« Reply #163 on: July 13, 2012, 01:44:49 AM »
Ah, right.

>"Kiku, stop!"
>Dash toward her. If she stops, get to her side. If she does not, interpose ourself between her and the ring.

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Re: Magical Lotus - Mahou Shoujou Byakuren - Episode 2, part 3
« Reply #164 on: July 13, 2012, 01:46:16 AM »
>"I'm right here with you Kiku!"
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Re: Magical Lotus - Mahou Shoujou Byakuren - Episode 2, part 3
« Reply #165 on: July 13, 2012, 02:02:31 AM »
Just one small issue, before I can parse the reply to those two last commands. A while back, there were also these commands,

>Have we seen any evidence that Kiku is under any corruption, as opposed to just highly stressed?
>Purity beam Kiku. Hopefull, that'll snap her out of her trance.

Did you still want to try and purify Kiku, if you sense the Demon connected to her, or corrupting her?

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Re: Magical Lotus - Mahou Shoujou Byakuren - Episode 2, part 3
« Reply #166 on: July 13, 2012, 02:03:52 AM »
>Yes. It shouldn't harm her anyways.
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Re: Magical Lotus - Mahou Shoujou Byakuren - Episode 2, part 3
« Reply #167 on: July 13, 2012, 02:13:45 AM »
>Before we do, does it seem like she's corrupted?

Time is kind of a limited resource, and it seems energy is as well. So I don't think it's a good idea immediately unless it seems necessary. Kiku's a strong woman, I think she can fight her demons if things aren't hopeless.

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Re: Magical Lotus - Mahou Shoujou Byakuren - Episode 2, part 3
« Reply #168 on: July 13, 2012, 02:15:11 AM »
He did stipulate 'if we sense she's being corrupted, or otherwise being influenced by the demon'.
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Re: Magical Lotus - Mahou Shoujou Byakuren - Episode 2, part 3
« Reply #169 on: July 13, 2012, 02:22:03 AM »
Whoops...

Yeah, if we detect anything, go for it.

Re: Magical Lotus - Mahou Shoujou Byakuren - Episode 2, part 3
« Reply #170 on: July 13, 2012, 03:47:05 AM »
>"Kiku, stop!"
>Dash toward her. If she stops, get to her side. If she does not, interpose ourself between her and the ring.
>"I'm right here with you Kiku!"

>Shouting to Kiku, you disengage yourself from Lily and make haste to put yourself between Kiku and the evil ring floating before her. Lily follows behind you, but not quite as fast; you're obviously in better shape than her, despite the pain and the fatigue gripping your body. She does activate her shield, however.
>"Leave her alone, you flying creep!" Lily cries.
>Kiku takes no notice of either your presence, or your words of support, her empty eyes remaining transfixed on the ring before her. Based on appearances, you'd guess the only reason she's not wearing it already is because she doesn't have the energy to raise her arm.
>The demon, however, does react, and places itself between you and Kiku, sinuously slithering through the air. You practically skid to a halt about 4 feet in front of it, rather than run into its scaled belly.
>"You destroyed my youma, Terrans." The demon's voice is a sibilant snarl floating through the air, and its words make the air reek before it. "I shall have to start again somewhere else. But you did provide me this excellent replacement for my flawed servant, which grants you the opportunity to escape my wrath. Flee now, or submit. Your resistance is as pointless as that former shrine maidens'".

>Have we seen any evidence that Kiku is under any corruption, as opposed to just highly stressed?

>Your Othersight reveals a slight.... well, like an oil slick, really, on Kiku's mind. It's faint, but distinct. You're not certain exactly what it is, or what it's doing, but it is definitely demonic in origin. Whatever it did, or is doing, can't be doing Kiku any good.

>Purity beam Kiku. Hopefull, that'll snap her out of her trance.

>You take a step to the side of the flying snake and point your scepter at Kiku. The winged serpent is blocking your shot at the ring floating there, but you can still get a clear shot at the tiger youkai, and unleash your violet light, hoping to scrub that blotch from her mind and bring her back to her senses. The winged snake's eye follows your movement, while its other eye stays locked on Lily, but it makes no effort to stop you firing on Kiku. A short burst, this time, as your energy is running a bit low, hopefully that will be sufficient.
>You succeed in wiping the black stain from Kiku's mind, it fades instantly. Unfortunately, this has no outward effect on the defeated miko. She remains on her keens, her eyes empty, her position one of utter defeat.

>However, a strange sensation flows back into you through the violet light of your attack. Somehow, touching Kiku's mind with your light allowed you to see her emotions. She is completely overwhelmed by fear, consumed by despair. The demon showed her its world, showed her its power. The demon challenged her in combat, she pitted everything she had trained for for over a decade against it, and barely scratched the scales on its wing. She was completely outclassed, helpless on her own against such power. She had been afraid that her power wasn't going to be enough, and she was right, or so she believes. She was a fool to hope, a fool to believe she could make a difference. A fool to think the world could be saved. She was afraid of failure, and she was right to be. She was afraid of letting down her sisters, and she was right to be. And, oddest of all, she was afraid of you.

>And at that last thought, seeing her fear of you, your ring reacts with that same 'pinging' feeling you've felt before. Only this time, it is accompanied by a faint yellow light shining from the jewel inlaid therein.

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Re: Magical Lotus - Mahou Shoujou Byakuren - Episode 2, part 3
« Reply #171 on: July 13, 2012, 03:59:21 AM »
>"Sorry, but I do not submit to those who would harm my friends! Nor will I run from protecting them!"



So, where do we go from here? All it's done is give us terms of surrender, or retreat.
Which, as you know, is not an option. Like hell we're leaving Kiku in the lurch.
I'm thinking we need to snap Kiku outta this funk somehow.
Also, a little hint. There is a certain word that is Japanese for Chrysanthemum. This will explain the ping I do believe.
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Re: Magical Lotus - Mahou Shoujou Byakuren - Episode 2, part 3
« Reply #172 on: July 13, 2012, 04:01:32 AM »
Proposal.

>For now, let's not snark at Snakebat. Too many more important things to do.
>If we can feel Kiku, perhaps she can feel us.
>Try to let her know, with feelings rather than words, that we're still here, even if she's afraid. Nor is there any shame in being afraid. We too are afraid. Reassure her that she is not alone, and that there is still much she can do. Reassure her that there is more to strength then the ability to attack and defend. Let her know that we have seen the world of blackness as well, and we know how to stop it. Not just now, now and forever.

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Re: Magical Lotus - Mahou Shoujou Byakuren - Episode 2, part 3
« Reply #173 on: July 13, 2012, 04:06:15 AM »
Not intending it as snark, but Heroic Defiance.
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Re: Magical Lotus - Mahou Shoujou Byakuren - Episode 2, part 3
« Reply #174 on: July 13, 2012, 04:08:15 AM »
Heroes are for the Norse and the Youmus.   I can dig it.

Re: Magical Lotus - Mahou Shoujou Byakuren - Episode 2, part 3
« Reply #175 on: July 13, 2012, 05:03:56 AM »
>"Sorry, but I do not submit to those who would harm my friends! Nor will I run from protecting them!"

>"Damn right!" Lily declares. "I don't care how much power you have, we're not going anywhere without Kiku!"
>The winged snake does not seem fazed by your defiance.

>If we can feel Kiku, perhaps she can feel us.
>Try to let her know, with feelings rather than words, that we're still here, even if she's afraid. Nor is there any shame in being afraid. We too are afraid. Reassure her that she is not alone, and that there is still much she can do. Reassure her that there is more to strength then the ability to attack and defend. Let her know that we have seen the world of blackness as well, and we know how to stop it. Not just now, now and forever.

>Although your ring is reacting to Kiku, the sense of her emotions disappeared when your Violet Lotus attack faded. You try to send out your emotional strength to Kiku, but if your thoughts reach her, her reaction is not what you would have hoped. The tiger youkai's head swings slowly back and forth, a pitiful sight. "Just go... It's pointless to fight..." her voice is hollow, sunken in despair.

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Re: Magical Lotus - Mahou Shoujou Byakuren - Episode 2, part 3
« Reply #176 on: July 13, 2012, 05:06:44 AM »
Well, looks like we've got one of two options.
We smack her across the face and provide morale bolstering(The Captain Bright Method), or we take down big'n'ugly here.
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Re: Magical Lotus - Mahou Shoujou Byakuren - Episode 2, part 3
« Reply #177 on: July 13, 2012, 07:37:35 AM »
>"Lily, cover me!"
>Get to Kiku. Bring up a barrier and charge in. Try to duck around the demon, but if we can't, then charge right at it and roll under it. And if that doesn't work, purity beam it. It probably won't have much effect, since this isn't a corrupted object or person, but hopefully it'll at least buy us the instant we need to get around the thing.
>When we reach Kiku, press the ring against her skin.
>"This isn't over yet, Kiku. We're not leaving you to this thing. I know you can fight it, so fight it. But you don't have to fight it alone. We're here with you, and we will all face this together."

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Re: Magical Lotus - Mahou Shoujou Byakuren - Episode 2, part 3
« Reply #178 on: July 13, 2012, 07:55:39 AM »
>Our ring, not the one the demon's trying to give.
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Re: Magical Lotus - Mahou Shoujou Byakuren - Episode 2, part 3
« Reply #179 on: July 13, 2012, 08:50:27 AM »
>"Lily, cover me!"
>Get to Kiku. Bring up a barrier and charge in. Try to duck around the demon, but if we can't, then charge right at it and roll under it. And if that doesn't work, purity beam it. It probably won't have much effect, since this isn't a corrupted object or person, but hopefully it'll at least buy us the instant we need to get around the thing.
>When we reach Kiku, press the ring against her skin.
>"This isn't over yet, Kiku. We're not leaving you to this thing. I know you can fight it, so fight it. But you don't have to fight it alone. We're here with you, and we will all face this together."
>Our ring, not the one the demon's trying to give.

>Lowering your scepter, you wrap yourself in a blue shield and try to get around the demon, who, predictably, slithers sideways to intercept you again. It's hideous yellow eyes fixate on you, but it doesn't have a chance to do anything to you before Magical Lily cries out, "Lily Petal Cyclone!" A swirling cloud of multicolored flower petals flashes in from the side and envelops the winged snake, drawing an angry hiss from the monster.
>Seizing your opportunity, you dash as quickly as you can around the large creature, even as Lily shouts, "I don't think it's gonna hold long!". Despite the burning sensation in your legs, you sprint the remaining two feet between you and Kiku, who still fails to acknowledge your presence. You reach her side just as you hear a thunderous hissing roar, and mighty blast of force erupts from behind you. Obviously Lily was right, but she bought you enough time to press your ring into her bare shoulder, your shield lowering in the process.

>You can sense her fear again, but this time, one specific fear is louder than all the others. "I was afraid of you, more than I was afraid of anything else this day. My whole life. I've prepared for the day when I would confront and defeat evil powers. And then I met you, someone with no training, no practice, and I knew you could do what I could do. Maybe better than I could. I was afraid. Afraid that I would become meaningless, that my life was nothing but a waste. That anything I could do would be unnecessary with you around. I was afraid you would make me pointless, make my life a lie. I was already losing my sisters to the Eagle, and then you were there to do what I was born to do, but better. I was afraid that your existence would take away the thing that gave my life purpose."

>It only takes an instant for you to sense that fear in Kiku, but that sense is so absorbing, you lose sense of the world around you until a heavy object strikes you across the back with tremendous force. You scream, a cry that was forced from your body by the horrendous blow you took, as you fly through the air at least several feet, smacking into the gravel and sand around the pool and rolling and skidding at least a foot more.
>You hear Lily cry your name, but her voice is drowned out by a sound like a massive water cannon discharging.

>Despite the haze of pain you find yourself in, you can sense a solid connection where none was there before. The fear of you in Kiku's heart is a connection to your own heart, focused through your ring, just as Lily's love created a connection as well. The yellow glow in the jewel of your ring grows brighter.
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