Author Topic: Popcorn Mafia (GAME OVER - TOWN WINS)  (Read 28416 times)

Omba

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Re: Popcorn Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #210 on: June 25, 2012, 04:03:31 AM »
now there's very little idea of what his scumreads are either than on me, or whether his other scumreads have held up or not.
Well. You're still likely scum, No name and rawr are still scum. Dan has climbed the ladder and is now a solid null-read.
If I were to shoot, I'd probably put the bullet into rawr right now. I have the least doubts about him being scum.
But then I'm rather sure I know who Serela is going to shoot anyway, so eh.

Thinly veiled insults like that aren't going to help anyone catch scum, it only throws people off and presses their buttons (the ones who you're insulting).
Shut it, moron. :V

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LLD and Affinity have more solid bad play then IHNN, I think it'd be safer to shoot the players who are actually playing bad then players who people are jumping on for a few "gotcha" posts.
IHNN also seems like he's putting actual effort into scumhunting, for another reason, which is better then what I can say for the former players.
Are we playing the same game? I have no idea how you can evaluate either as playing worse / putting in less effort than No name.
Nevermind that playing worse is pretty irrelevant anyway. For No name, he practically oozes the inability to make meaningful cases on anyone from his pores, in a way that is heavily indicative of him being scum. For Affinity... I already said what I think about Affinity, so.

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Re: Popcorn Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #211 on: June 25, 2012, 06:21:37 AM »
Incoming pseudo-wall response

Are we playing the same game? I have no idea how you can evaluate either as playing worse / putting in less effort than No name.
Are we playing the same game?  I have no idea how you can evaluate play quality / effort put in right now.

For No name, he practically oozes the inability to make meaningful cases on anyone from his pores
Going a bit far there?  The phrasing there is honestly rather insulting and doesn't get you anywhere.  Why did you phrase it that way instead of "IHNN hasn't made any cases yet and his actions towards cases are indictive of him being scum".  Equally wrong, but no longer insulting (and also not as convincing.  Funny how attacking a persons character makes them look worse)  I'll concede I haven't made any major wall of text cases, but who's to say the littler things aren't meaningful?
For No name, he practically oozes the inability to make meaningful cases on anyone from his pores, in a way that is heavily indicative of him being scum.
in a way that is heavily indicative of him being scum.
BS.  BS BS BS.

I would very much appreciate it if you would stop using insults in your attacks on my playstyle.

  You've only played games with scum!me, so how do you know what my town play is, unless you've read Midnight Crew Mafia?  In that case, you'd know I couldn't make a case there to save myself on D4, in which case, your point is invalid anyway.

Despite this, I think Omba is still town; albeit very misguided town.

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Re: Popcorn Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #212 on: June 25, 2012, 03:41:49 PM »
Finished rereading and hm.  Suddenly everyone looks as if they are coasting on by.

The only two things interesting about Neko is his original complaint against Conq and his guarding against vigging Nameless.  While I praise the latter, the earlier comes across as nitpicking on word choice, which is rather lame especially given that other people were already on Nameless independently for similar reasons.  He still comes across as one-dimensional with easy LLD hate, a vague accusation that I'm not putting much effort into my scumhunting (without commenting in depth into my other views), and a baffling fixation on the concept of 'manipulativeness' which seems increasingly out of context. 

On Conq, while his D1 seems solid, his D2 raises some questions.  I've noticed that while he had seemingly fruitful exchanges with various people, he doesn't seem to have much to show for them.  In the end, all I can garner from his current reads is that he hates rawr for the average reasons?  There's no evidence as to how his exchange with Nameless or me affected his reads, and he comes off as seeming tentative, an attitude befitting scum.

Feel more confident regarding LLD (who seems to have a very clear idea of who is scum+pressure etc.) and Nameless as town, with Dan as a wildcard, compared to all the shady characters.  Not sure of how to order them though, but I still prefer vigging Omba.

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Re: Popcorn Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #213 on: June 25, 2012, 07:26:54 PM »
Has anyone seen the mod? I have no idea how much time is left on the clock

I think I need to reevaluate some of my stances a bit via rereading the entire thread and focusing on one player's posts at a time

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Are we playing the same game? I have no idea how you can evaluate either as playing worse / putting in less effort than No name.
I'm not sure if you know what I meant by "latter". By "latter" I meant LLD and Affinity although I suppose the latter might be subject to change after a reread? I'm still adamant that LLD needs shot.
Kilga is this right; like is this person seriously the player, and it's not some alias or something that's designed to be deliberately obfuscating? NekoNekoRex. Who the hell is that :C   ~Poya Aaaa (Serela), Bunny Must Die Mafia

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Re: Popcorn Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #214 on: June 25, 2012, 07:29:15 PM »
That reminds me, I never have once commented on Dan because I was only vaguely aware he exists in this game. This i actually not a good thing. Why doesn't he post more?
Kilga is this right; like is this person seriously the player, and it's not some alias or something that's designed to be deliberately obfuscating? NekoNekoRex. Who the hell is that :C   ~Poya Aaaa (Serela), Bunny Must Die Mafia

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Re: Popcorn Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #215 on: June 25, 2012, 07:31:37 PM »
Has anyone seen the mod? I have no idea how much time is left on the clock
I was wondering that as well so I checked, and there are 29 hours to go in the day.

That reminds me, I never have once commented on Dan because I was only vaguely aware he exists in this game. This i actually not a good thing. Why doesn't he post more?
I hadn't noticed he wasn't posting, although I do remember him saying he had IRL stuff for a couple days.  IMO he had a strong start though.

capt. h

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Re: Popcorn Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #216 on: June 25, 2012, 07:33:34 PM »
Action Dan has been prodded.

29.5 hours remaining.

Timer

capt. h

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Re: Popcorn Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #217 on: June 25, 2012, 09:09:00 PM »
LLD has been prodded.

27.75 hours remaining.

Timer

ActionDan

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Re: Popcorn Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #218 on: June 25, 2012, 09:48:46 PM »
i'm back.  Rereading.

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Lexicat

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Re: Popcorn Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #219 on: June 25, 2012, 09:50:49 PM »
I don't have anything new to say >.>

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Re: Popcorn Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #220 on: June 25, 2012, 09:56:51 PM »
It's like I'm the only person who thinks Affinity is town and that his opinions are good. ;_;

Oh wait I do have something to say.
 
@Serela: This should be a gigantic hint to you.

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Re: Popcorn Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #221 on: June 25, 2012, 10:02:14 PM »
I don't have anything new to say >.>
Do something. "I have nothing to add" is no excuse. Find something. Ask something. Anything.
-cut by LLD adding something-

Can I add an addendum to Omba's post-anything useful  (either that or I'm being an idiot and missing the point)

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Re: Popcorn Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #222 on: June 25, 2012, 11:21:49 PM »
Average reasons yadda yadda. I don't believe he's trying at this point. I believe he's capable of better play than this if he's town, especially given the reaction to his obstinate play in Kilga's game. I refuse to believe he's being contrary for the hell of it. There's being stubborn and then there's this. Bad play is scummy, folks. What would be an "above average" reason for you?

If I seem tentative it's because my motivation for this game is quickly being sapped out with all the apathy and the inactivity. I'm not going to lay out everything on the table because my opinions are kind of fluid right now and I'm rethinking some stuff. :dwi:

My opinion on IHNN? Well, I always seem to read him as scum, despite his actual alignment. His most recent post only reinforces my feelings on him:
-cut by LLD adding something-

Can I add an addendum to Omba's post-anything useful  (either that or I'm being an idiot and missing the point)
Which is hypocritical at best and scummy mud-slinging at worst. He gives me the impression of a more active rawr; picking on little things that aren't really important.

Dan's posts are lacking the passion for scumhunting that I see from him as town, so he could conceivably be scum.

Actually here you can have a rough version of where I am right now
Scum Dr. Rawr < No Name < Action Dan < {NekoNekoRex, Affinity} < LLD < Omba Town

What General Lee?s feelings were I do not know. As he was a man of much dignity, with an impassible face, it was impossible to say whether he felt inwardly glad that the end had finally come, or felt sad over the result, and was too manly to show it. Whatever his feelings, they were entirely concealed from my observation; but my own feelings, which had been quite jubilant on the receipt of his letter, were sad and depressed. I felt like anything rather than rejoicing at the downfall of a foe who had fought so long and valiantly, and had suffered so much for a cause, though that cause was, I believe, one of the worst for which a people ever fought, and one for which there was the least excuse. I do not question, however, the sincerity of the great mass of those who were opposed to us.


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ActionDan

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Re: Popcorn Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #223 on: June 26, 2012, 01:24:53 AM »

Something I am sure of:  Affinity is town.  Because he made sense in dialogue between him and Omba.  Specifically.
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I don't get the feeling that people are addressing my points directly (Nameless being a direct example) as to why I think it touch-and-go rather than 'open-mindedness'.  Anyone can say that Dan is suspicious for setup speculating, that rawr is suspicious for being brash at LLD's brash attack, that Serela's waffling is scummy-looking; it is the choice between viable targets and the reasoning behind it which counts, and Omba has none of that.  I would think my line of questioning is valid in that sense.
I was looking at Omba D1 and noticed the same thing.  I do not trust Omba's counter-argument enough to Excuse him.  I will again cite Affinity.
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Long overdue reasoning is lame.  I don't think Serela's reaction was horrible (one word); I can certainly tell why Conq and Bard thought so, but not you.  You are the only one to say that rawr's reaction is 'horrible (one word)', which no one agrees with.  Really, it's non-ambulatory for you of all people to say A < B < C is obvious when B and C aren't even clearly explained.

not liking these from Omba and LLD respectively:
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But then I'm rather sure I know who Serela is going to shoot anyway, so eh
Serela, I had a dream last night about how you shot Dan and he flipped town and I was sad and the fate of the game rested in Dan's hands and :(.
 
Don't make Tao a sad cat. Shoot IHNN or Affinity or Rawr.


Especially Omba's. Literally reads to me as "shoot away". (I mean I'm sure you'll both come in and like rebuke me strongly)

I think IHNN and Rawr are town mostly based on pages 1-3 still, their later play not withstanding.  I think deducing that the 3 scum lie within LLD, OMBA, Conq, and Neko, but Neko's later posts (starting from around his anger at LLD) all read as townie, and Conq I have read as townie as well.   As for LLD,  I liked that she called Neko town, but Neko is not really on anyone's kill-list so it's not a concession. 

I think Omba is the best shot, followed by LLD.  I'd rather Serela shoot me over IHNN or Rawr since Rawr would shoot me/IHNN right now losing the game, and IHNN would shoot Rawr losing the game.

 

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Re: Popcorn Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #224 on: June 26, 2012, 01:57:40 AM »
I think a problem I seem to have with these Mafia games is I've been a bit too weak-willed. When I make opinions that go against the norm people lash out and I try to retract them, I'm too bendy. Direct example is in Early D2 of Bunny Must Die/7 Devils Mafia, I took back my gut on CORRECT!scum calls because angry townies. I should make an effort to be more assertive in the future.

I'm still rereading although I haven't had much time to do it today. Right now I'm exhausted for some odd reason (probably the heat) so I'm going to bed early.
Kilga is this right; like is this person seriously the player, and it's not some alias or something that's designed to be deliberately obfuscating? NekoNekoRex. Who the hell is that :C   ~Poya Aaaa (Serela), Bunny Must Die Mafia

Re: Popcorn Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #225 on: June 26, 2012, 03:07:01 AM »
what i can post to ya know

LLD is my top scum read as of right now...
1. He consistently post as little as possible and offer near to no content besides "x is scum" or witty remarks to post
2. Post like these prove hes just activily lurking the game and getting a easy pass for it
3. In bardiche post he was fucking right, anyone can make baseless accusations and say "im right youre wrong" but fuck you really are dense
4. honestly lld is probably some cool hipster townie who wants the gun. If we dont hit scum today i would probably shoot lld tommorow just for the obvious. fucking obtuse

Actiondan is a man of action and also another scum read. I pretty much had a town read on him for ed1 but then all of a sudden he dropped all his reads, made false promises on posts, and wtf his recent post seems like hes trying to direct the gun away from certain people or aim it at others. people were using the word manipulative earlier this is that. scumbuddies with lld?

fuck  affinities #189 #206 and #212 just reads off as town to me not null my definite town read to me

omba and conq still read off as town to me

neko and ihnn are pretty much nullscum to me either one of them could flip town or scum to me

ActionDan

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Re: Popcorn Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #226 on: June 26, 2012, 03:34:08 AM »
above post is a town post. 

Serela should shoot me instead of you/IHNN (although if for some reason serela picks one of these, shoot IHNN).  Unless she wants to shoot Omba/LLD.  Because I can promise you that I'm going to shoot one of them should I get the chance.  Very very likely I'll shoot Omba.  Depending if Conq still wants to advocate a Rawr shot.  I would like Conq to reevaluate his Rawr read. 

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ActionDan

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Re: Popcorn Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #227 on: June 26, 2012, 03:51:54 AM »
Not going to be back until ~18 hours from now.  That's around 2 hours before deadline.  Since Serela has a good chance of shooting, here are my final words to her



I am going to blatantly try to manipulate you right now.  I claim Mafia.  Shoot me.  do it.

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ActionDan

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Re: Popcorn Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #228 on: June 26, 2012, 03:57:08 AM »
Seriously: Create this mental block right now:

"I want to shoot IHNN/Rawr: Wait! I should shoot ActionDan instead"

Any other thoughts you have I need not interfere with.  Similarly if you somehow get the idea that you have the leeway to shoot someone else because you feel certain that should they flip town, you'll be confident that they will shoot me and I'll flip scum, you don't have that leeway.  If you think I'll flip scum unconditionally,  shoot me now.

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Re: Popcorn Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #229 on: June 26, 2012, 03:59:29 AM »
ಠ_ಠ

Omba

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Re: Popcorn Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #230 on: June 26, 2012, 04:05:39 AM »
Serela:
If you think of shooting ActionDan, shoot me instead. He seems at least somewhat town now and he seems hellbent on shooting me, so. Do me in first.
Or shoot that certain player you wanted to shoot. I think he'll flip town, but at least he's likely to hit scum afterwards.
Don't really care either way. I'd prefer it if you shot scum, but I have some serious doubts you'll do that ry(
In any case, shooting ActionDan has a rather high chance of loosing us the game, so I'd rather you don't do that.

ActionDan

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Re: Popcorn Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #231 on: June 26, 2012, 04:09:28 AM »
I think my lips should be sealed until Serela makes the shot.  I would ofc encourage the other players to say something before that happens.

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Re: Popcorn Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #232 on: June 26, 2012, 04:11:18 AM »
4. honestly lld is probably some cool hipster townie who wants the gun. If we dont hit scum today i would probably shoot lld tommorow just for the obvious.
"LLD is my top scumread" before that?
Besides, if LLD is 'some cool hipster townie', and if we hit town today shooting LLD immediately results in a loss.

Of course that's only desirable if you're scum, so either you don't get it rawr, or you're scum.  I'm still leaning on the latter although a lot less so than before.

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WHAT IS IT WITH PEOPLE ASKING FOR THE GUN

Right now, if I had the gun I'd shoot LLD.  I feel pretty confident about her being scum and she's done nothing to change that.  The only downside I can see to that shot is if she's town...we have an incredibly lurky gunbearer in LYLO who wants to shoot me.  In which case, gg, scum win.

Serela

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Re: Popcorn Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #233 on: June 26, 2012, 04:15:20 AM »
I don't like the way my power comes back on, and then all the new posts make me waffle on everything I had firmly believed in.

This is like, the worst time to waffle, unless I magically shot scum anyway.

Compounding on that, some of the people I want to shoot, if they're actually town, would probably shoot someone I think is town as well... and tomorrow is LyLo if I shoot a town, so that'd be really bad.

Plus I think at least one of the people practically begging me to shoot them is actually scum trying to mindgame me.

Blargleflargle.

Oh well, I usually have a much better time of things after I wake up. Off to sleep!
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Re: Popcorn Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #234 on: June 26, 2012, 04:19:20 AM »
@IHNN

In some of lld games iirc constantly tunnels and makes posts in a very provocative way. I would have to say with flips we would only tell if lld is truly town or scum. I dont know actually how other people read lld but i think with flips would be the best way to tell. only my second game with lld so w/e. It would be pretty much a crapshoot like with you and neko atm

Omba

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Re: Popcorn Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #235 on: June 26, 2012, 04:20:47 AM »
Serela:
I see. Sure, I'm trying to mindgame you. Does that make your decision easier?

Re: Popcorn Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #236 on: June 26, 2012, 04:22:01 AM »
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Re: Popcorn Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #237 on: June 26, 2012, 04:22:41 AM »
obviously all a scum conspiracy in hopes serela wont shoot any of the people asking for a gun :V

Omba

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Re: Popcorn Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #238 on: June 26, 2012, 04:23:23 AM »
Wtf mindhax. :V

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Re: Popcorn Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #239 on: June 26, 2012, 04:26:20 AM »
Or... I can ignore the temptations of delicious waffles, and shoot the target I had chosen from the start, before I lose my resolve and fall into disarray.

##Shoot: Lady Lambdelta fakeedit:REDACTED




Somehow, I don't think that's who Omba thought I was planning on shooting.

Cut:Omba I am this close to changing my mind and shooting you.

If you're town, will you shoot LLD for me? Seriously. :c
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