Spell Card Help Topic V: Cheeto Lasers Edition

[チソウ タイゼン]

SakuyaA was my first non-Reimu Extra Clear and SakuyaB was my last >_>

I've been told that SakuyaB's "freeze bullets, collect cherry" shtick could be utilized to gain >30,000 Cherry in one fell swoop at certain points, but the Square usually deletes bullets before anything good happens for me :I

Speaking of the Perfect Square, how the hell do you control the Perfect Square

[xForeverFanaticx]

SakuyaA was my first non-Reimu Extra Clear and SakuyaB was my last >_>

I've been told that SakuyaB's "freeze bullets, collect cherry" shtick could be utilized to gain >30,000 Cherry in one fell swoop at certain points, but the Square usually deletes bullets before anything good happens for me :I

Speaking of the Perfect Square, how the hell do you control the Perfect Square

Hmm... the way I usually deal with it is just release shift for a split second and bomb. Unfocused bomb is pretty much the same, except there's no square.

And as for controlling it... Not too sure, but it feels like it's sort of following you in lunge-like movements?


SakuyaA isn't my favourite shottype, but it has its good(and bad):

-It's got a homing focused shot, semi-homing anyway
-Very wide unfocused shot

the only thing I don't like about SakuyaA I can think of right now is that the bullets only home in on the enemy's initial position when the bullet is spawned, and then it doesn't home in again, meaning it's pretty much redundant against enemies that continuously move (like the wisps at the beginning of Extra and Phantasm after the fairies. FOcusing with SakuyaA will screw you over there)

of course, you can see, like Zil said, that the homing and the wide unfocused can be bad as well. Yeah, SakuyaB is my favourite shottype after ReimuB (ie the Needle shottype in all games)


EDIT: Help? I'm confused about Stupid Miko's False Exorcism... I'm bombing it every time >~<

[Esper]

How the fuck do you play Yamame's first nonspell on Lunatic? It makes no fucking sense! Before on Hard and lower I just streamed but you can't do that now that the bullets go so far that they're behind you.

[チソウ タイゼン]

Try cutting larger gaps in your streaming. Attempting the same biz that you can do on Hard mode in regards to the streaming will probably only get you killed.

[BT]

Yeah, instead of moving slightly to the side move a big chunk to the side and dodge the stray bullets. Only the blue bullets that don't stop mid-air should be worrying you then.

[Raikaria]

I'm having trouble with Will-O-Wisps in Unknown Orbit and Youkai Orb of Unknown Mechanics.

I know the latter is 'easy' but I keep getting blindsided. I'm actually better at the former, but it's a similar issue to Orb, I get blindisded by a will-o-wisp that suddenly changes direction.

Oarfish I just trance through.

[Buu]

How the fuck do you play Yamame's first nonspell on Lunatic? It makes no fucking sense! Before on Hard and lower I just streamed but you can't do that now that the bullets go so far that they're behind you.

Also when Yamame shoots the homing bullets, don't stay at the bottom but try to be more further up. The homing bullets lock-on where you last were so if you slowly go to the bottom, you should have plenty of space to dodge them as they don't squeeze hug you entirely at the bottom.

[BT]

I'm having trouble with Will-O-Wisps in Unknown Orbit and Youkai Orb of Unknown Mechanics.

I know the latter is 'easy' but I keep getting blindsided. I'm actually better at the former, but it's a similar issue to Orb, I get blindisded by a will-o-wisp that suddenly changes direction.

Oarfish I just trance through.

Will-O-Wisps is all about not losing focus. I die to it more than I used to when I was still clearing Extra stages because I'm less focused.

Youkai Orb can be memorized. You should have a good plan for the first two 'waves' at the least, and that's already 2/3 the time you need to finish the card.

[Esper]

Also when Yamame shoots the homing bullets, don't stay at the bottom but try to be more further up. The homing bullets lock-on where you last were so if you slowly go to the bottom, you should have plenty of space to dodge them as they don't squeeze hug you entirely at the bottom.

1. I'd rather not time it out

2. Anywhere where I wouldn't time it out, I'd still get raped by the higher bullets as I move down.

[ふねん1]

How the fuck do you play Yamame's first nonspell on Lunatic? It makes no fucking sense! Before on Hard and lower I just streamed but you can't do that now that the bullets go so far that they're behind you.

When Yamame goes straight down, go up and over the first red bullet as soon as the second and third blue bullets pass you (they're almost right on top of each other). It takes a bit of precise timing, but it's not really that precise. Nothing a little practice couldn't overcome.

Oh, and if you like bullets coming from below you, wait until you face Luna Child on Lunatic. :V

[Zil]

EDIT: Help? I'm confused about Stupid Miko's False Exorcism... I'm bombing it every time >~<

It seems this was overlooked. Here's a replay I made once to demonstrate it. http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=18027

You essentially move in a big circle, and don't approach the edge of the screen too early.

[Chuckolator]

Ahahaha, tried perfecting MoF Stage 5 Lunatic and got what I expected. Perfected everything except Night with Overly Bright Guest Stars, tried timing it out after dying in the first few seconds and died 5 more times. What do?

[Esper]

Ahahaha, tried perfecting MoF Stage 5 Lunatic and got what I expected. Perfected everything except Night with Overly Bright Guest Stars, tried timing it out after dying in the first few seconds and died 5 more times. What do?

I'm tempted to edit the author to show that I have the same dilemma.

Oh fuck it.

[I have no name]

Night With Overly Bright Guest Stars?

Sadly, it's a memo card-but at least it won't randomly wall you.
My first capture of it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrUyuYQWDxo

and another capture of it, in my perfect run of Stage 5:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dojYw8tpyNc

[BT]

It actually will literally wall you if you get stuck between lasers when a new wave shows up. Happened a handful of times.

[I have no name]

randomly wall

It actually will literally wall you if you get stuck between lasers when a new wave shows up. Happened a handful of times.

That doesn't sound random to me  :V

[Esper]

That doesn't sound random to me  :V

I don't quite see how that isn't so random, or to put it into more fitting terms, is so predictable.

Unless you're playing as Homing Reimu, you're going to instinctively sit under Sanae and hope you won't die. This card subliminally kills you every time if you think that way and it's damn annoying in that regard.

[I have no name]

Well, all you need to do is move out of the way every time the lasers approach, in a right-left-right-left pattern and it should work if you dodge the lasers.

[Esper]

Well, all you need to do is move out of the way every time the lasers approach, in a right-left-right-left pattern and it should work if you dodge the lasers.

How about those lasers that make the tightest gaps known to man?

[I have no name]

How about those lasers that make the tightest gaps known to man?

a. You're in the wrong place
b. See Cat's Walk lunatic or Imperishable Shooting

[xForeverFanaticx]

Just wondering... but how hard is it to supergraze that final death fairy in Imperishable Night Extra? :V
I know you circle counterclockwise, but I've yet to try (gonna do that tomorrow)

EDIT: nvm, tried it. It's fun to do~ And so much easier IMO O:

[crystalgreatsword]

STAGE 4 MoF.
I can't figure it out.  :V
And when I get lucky enough to make it to Aya, she pwns me with Illusionary Dominance.

So I need help w/ the stage, and w/ Aya. >.>

[I have no name]

STAGE 4 MoF.
I can't figure it out.  :V
And when I get lucky enough to make it to Aya, she pwns me with Illusionary Dominance.

So I need help w/ the stage, and w/ Aya. >.>

I'm assuming you mean normal since you didn't specify a difficulty.  So, naturally, I'll post a perfect of the stage on lunatic since all the stage strategies still apply (streaming or random dodging).  You can bomb Momiji once at no power cost as well. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Rp8zG3eKEI
For Aya, you can reference the video, or use the following bombing strats to skip patterns (assuming the bomb is over Aya for the whole thing): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igLxg8Uf4Xs
nonspell 1: 1 bomb after bullets are fired
spell 1: 1 bomb when the bullets get near you
nonspell 2: 1 bomb when bullets are fired
spell 2: on normal this is a trivial cap, just dodge the overall lines and stay centered, otherwise 2 bombs
nonspell 3: 1 bomb when bullets are fired
spell 3 (survival): bomb at 6 or so seconds left and the rest is trivial, and it's easy until 10 seconds left.
spell 4: dodge through the waves by moving down, 2 bombs clears it.

[Heian_Alien]

I have big trouble with stages 4 and 5 of EoSD Lunatic.(and the bosses... but it's more of a matter of pure skill so I guess only myself could help me there)
For reference, here( http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=21901 ) is my latest "good" run, which goes up to Remilia's 3rd spell.
Any kind of help would be welcome.

[Zil]

A lot of stage 4 could be done better by positioning yourself better. In the begginning of the stage, for example, after the first wave of fairies and the following streaming section, if you'd ended up near the left wall you would shoot the next fairy wave as soon as they appeared. So try to learn where things are destroy them as quickly as possible. There was also a lot of stuff that can just be streamed, but you were flying all over picking up items and stuff. Almost all of stage 5 can be done from the top of the screen, if you're willing to do some cheesy techniques. Misdirection is static (and aimed), though it will depend on which direction she moves, so you want to memorize a path for each direction.

Watching this (shameless self plug) may help. - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq8JoCYrOWc#t=10m24s

[Karisa]

Any advice with Murasa's survival? I know about going to the corners, but that doesn't seem to work early on since she's not teleporting fast enough.

[Heian_Alien]

Watching this (shameless self plug) may help. - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq8JoCYrOWc#t=10m24s

Wow didn't know about this! That stage 5 strategy is bound to help. Thanks a lot. Also great run, I can't even clear at 60 fps  :V

[Star King]

A lot of stage 4 could be done better by positioning yourself better. In the begginning of the stage, for example, after the first wave of fairies and the following streaming section, if you'd ended up near the left wall you would shoot the next fairy wave as soon as they appeared. So try to learn where things are destroy them as quickly as possible. There was also a lot of stuff that can just be streamed, but you were flying all over picking up items and stuff. Almost all of stage 5 can be done from the top of the screen, if you're willing to do some cheesy techniques. Misdirection is static (and aimed), though it will depend on which direction she moves, so you want to memorize a path for each direction.

Watching this (shameless self plug) may help. - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq8JoCYrOWc#t=10m24s

Is the direction Sakuya moves during Misdirection random?

[Zil]

I'm pretty sure it is. I never found a way to control it, at least. I always just go to that same spot a bit to the right of the center. If she moves left, I go right. If she moves right, I go left for the first wave, then right after that.

[Elysia]

Seiga's overdrive. How do?