Author Topic: Double Spoiler: speedrunning individual scenes (DSDQ video on Youtube!!!) (Read 85198 times)

Chuckolator · « **Reply #150 on:** May 11, 2012, 05:30:37 PM »

How does slowdown work in relation to ingame time, then? I always thought the game just displayed the time every frame regardless of the actual framerate, since this is game time and not necessarily real time we're measuring.

If what you say is true, then all of my records have some unfair advantage, because this computer is old and can't run anything past UFO at perfect speed all the time, just take a look here. Hell, my 180.46 run had 6% slowdown. :/

I have no name · « **Reply #151 on:** May 11, 2012, 05:46:33 PM »

game-time ticks down one 60th of a second every frame.
and if we're going for ideal game-time then we'd be TASing everything which defeats the purpose of preparing a submission.
so if the game is running at 50 FPS instead of 60, every game second is actually 1.2 seconds. So, in your 180.56 run, every game second is actually 1.05 seconds, while for my 180.53 run, every game second is 1.008 or so. Multiplying out time taken by seconds per second:
19.44*1.05=20.412 realtime
19.47*1.008=19.626 realtime
Making my run faster by nearly a second in realtime despite being 2 frames slower.

Although again, hopefully I can beat it in gametime, negating this whole discussion.

Quote from: GamingAwesome1 on May 11, 2012, 05:29:05 PM

Yeah, just out of curiousity, why IS 5% the accepted maximum slowdown rate?

Not that I really have any problem with the number since slowdown isn't something I generally have to worry about, just 5% strikes me as rather arbitrary.

I'd like to know that too.

ARF · « **Reply #152 on:** May 11, 2012, 06:23:36 PM »

Since it's on the threshold I'd say accept it, I can sympathize with having a slow computer. However, I did discard a replay with ~5% slowdown (of 10-7 no less) myself.

Here are some last minute submissions.

11-6, 172.13
Still a bit survival heavy, a big improvement nonetheless.
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=21055

EX-7, 167.35
New strategy, saves over 7 seconds... still not optimized. Maybe even more risky strategies are plausible for this scene.
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=21056

EX-8, 177.50
Being more aggressive pays off.
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=21057

I have no name · « **Reply #153 on:** May 11, 2012, 07:52:14 PM »

i got a 180.56, left to take care of some stuff, came back, took 10 shots and managed to get all of them pretty much instantaneously, AND have a one-movement dodge in the spam dodge...to get 180.70
Time spent improving the 180.46: 3 hours for a gain of .07
Time spent improving the 180.56: 1 hour for a gain of .14

EX-6, 180.70
This is pretty much an ideal run, except the direction Sanae moved >.>
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=21059

I'm also done with this scene, if anyone beats it, you've earned it.

The amount of times I ruined a run by going to take the picture at 98% charge (99 just charges the rest of the way lol) or stalling at 100% on the 3rd or 4th shot is probably about 3 dozen between all attempts.

I just looked through all replays currently on the table and found 2 with a slow rate of 5% or higher: Zil's EX-8 (since improved) and my SP-5 (because fast forwarding dialogue results in 55 FPS, I fast-forwarded to take more tries quicker as opposed to mashing Z through it. It does not affect the "mash Z" part of the scene, so I think it's a special case alongside SP-1)

Zil · « **Reply #154 on:** May 11, 2012, 08:13:36 PM »

I think the photography games in general are a kind of "special case" since the slowdown is clearly caused by taking pictures. When I play UFO the slowdown is almost always 0.000%, but in this game every time I take a picture the fps drops to 0 for a split second, reducing the average fps while having no realistic effect on gameplay.

I have no name · « **Reply #155 on:** May 11, 2012, 08:17:37 PM »

Well, sometimes it's 'post-photo lag" and sometimes it's "framerate drop during dodging" lag. The first isn't a problem, but the second obviously gives those an advantage. Although while recording live I did notice a lot of lag after photos, but less bullets didn't result in lag at all. So the problem is the 'bullet to charge' effect.

MMX · « **Reply #156 on:** May 11, 2012, 08:25:30 PM »

Hey guys. Don't you want to compile all those individual scenes into one huge Double_Spoiler_Done_Quick video? That would be pretty fun to watch.

I have no name · « **Reply #157 on:** May 11, 2012, 08:32:16 PM »

actually, that's a great idea.

VOTE TIME:
which would you prefer, all the scenes in one video or separate videos for each stage?

Why did I not think of DSDQ...

Chuckolator · « **Reply #158 on:** May 11, 2012, 08:52:10 PM »

Wow, you beat it anyways. Congrats. >_>

Quote from: I have no name on May 11, 2012, 08:32:16 PM

VOTE TIME:
which would you prefer, all the scenes in one video or separate videos for each stage?

One video. I thought that's what you were going to do in the first place, to be honest. >_>

MMX · « **Reply #159 on:** May 11, 2012, 09:24:55 PM »

One video with links to all scenes in description for those who don't want to watch the whole thing. And don't forget to pick a decent soundtrack, instead of looping those few DS tracks over and over again :V

I have no name · « **Reply #160 on:** May 11, 2012, 09:27:25 PM »

Quote from: MMX on May 11, 2012, 09:24:55 PM

One video with links to all scenes in description for those who don't want to watch the whole thing. And don't forget to pick a decent soundtrack, instead of looping those few DS tracks over and over again :V

For a YouTube version, fine.
For an SDA submission, I have to leave in the original music. Good thing I have an external hard drive to store the original recordings on!

Random · « **Reply #161 on:** May 11, 2012, 09:33:21 PM »

Sorry, Catfish, it only took... 10 minutes to beat your 4-1. :X

4-1, 102.46
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=21063
Pretty simplistic pattern, nothing special here.

Zil · « **Reply #162 on:** May 11, 2012, 09:36:55 PM »

Oh, I noticed something a while ago but forgot about it. You added my name to the table for 10-7 but left Catfish's time and replay.

Also I agree with making one big video instead of a bunch of small ones.

Chuckolator · « **Reply #163 on:** May 11, 2012, 09:39:36 PM »

For the SDA video, Are you able to play the correct BGM throughout all the relevant stages without resetting it like you planned? I hate it when people put in alternate BGM in the video, but at the same time I don't want to listen to the same 20-30 seconds again and again. >_>

SuccinctAndPunchy · « **Reply #164 on:** May 11, 2012, 09:51:03 PM »

A Double Spoiler Done Quick video is a great idea!

I've been trying for sodding ages to try and improve the 9-7 time, because I'm apparently a glutton for ceiling-based punishment but I just cannot sodding do it.

I will continue trying because I want to participate.

Random · « **Reply #165 on:** May 11, 2012, 10:16:35 PM »

11-7, 176.69
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=21066
DAT 4TH PHOTO

SuccinctAndPunchy · « **Reply #166 on:** May 11, 2012, 11:22:04 PM »

9-7: 187.34

http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=21068

This took me 700+ shots. I wish I was fucking kidding.

The exact same time but the slowdown rate is lower. I feel bad and unsatisfied about nitpicking the technicality like this but a better time via technicality is still a better time. I apologise for being so anally retentive about this but I've been at this for long enough that even something as small and insignificant as a percentage of slowdown makes a huge difference.

I have no name · « **Reply #167 on:** May 12, 2012, 01:56:58 AM »

I got a tie on EX-6 after a similar amount of shots-keep going!
I understand there's no formal system in place for dealing with ties but I feel that the best way to handle it is (honestly) first come first serve.

No time to update anything major right now, have to finish packing for tomorrow. I'll try to update everything by tomorrow night though.

Quote from: Zil on May 11, 2012, 09:36:55 PM

Oh, I noticed something a while ago but forgot about it. You added my name to the table for 10-7 but left Catfish's time and replay.

Also I agree with making one big video instead of a bunch of small ones.

I'll fix that.

In terms of submission to SDA, IL is technically a different run, so I need to submit them as individuals, but I can also include an 'all scenes' video-I'll be sure to do so.
A Youtube upload will follow, unfortunately with no sound effects due to the way I'd add in alternative music, since I need the original music for the SDA submission.

Zodiac · « **Reply #168 on:** May 12, 2012, 03:01:30 AM »

9-7 : 187.52
Replay : http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=21075
Maybe 188+ is possible . .

Chuckolator · « **Reply #169 on:** May 12, 2012, 03:18:46 AM »

Quote from: I have no name on May 12, 2012, 01:56:58 AM

but I can also include an 'all scenes' video-I'll be sure to do so.

How will you deal with BGM in this one?

Quote from: I have no name on May 12, 2012, 01:56:58 AM

unfortunately with no sound effects due to the way I'd add in alternative music, since I need the original music for the SDA submission.

Why not record with the ingame BGM down to zero?

Random · « **Reply #170 on:** May 12, 2012, 03:54:46 AM »

Quote from: Zodiac on May 12, 2012, 03:01:30 AM

Maybe 188+ is possible . .

:wat:
From what I've been trying, I can't get 180.xx. Someone please prove me wrong

9-7, 187.65 (Sorry Zodiac and GamingAwesome!

)
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=21076
It was hard as shit to improve. It's the first scene in which I reached over 3000 shots taken. The third phase is too hard to dodge up close, so I had to move down a bit. Maybe someone can pass it with superior dodging skills and improve it by .1

I have no name · « **Reply #171 on:** May 12, 2012, 03:58:16 AM »

Quote from: Seiga Kaku on May 12, 2012, 03:18:46 AM

How will you deal with BGM in this one?

It'd be the individual IL videos shoved together into one.

Quote from: Seiga Kaku on May 12, 2012, 03:18:46 AM

Why not record with the ingame BGM down to zero?

Because that would require re-recording, re-appending and re-encoding 108 ILs with game BGM set to 0. The process would be tedious and take hours, all for sound effects? Are they really that important?

Chuckolator · « **Reply #172 on:** May 12, 2012, 04:23:49 AM »

I see, didn't realize you already recorded it. >_>

SuccinctAndPunchy · « **Reply #173 on:** May 12, 2012, 08:27:16 AM »

Quote from: Random on May 12, 2012, 03:54:46 AM

:wat:
From what I've been trying, I can't get 180.xx. Someone please prove me wrong

9-7, 187.65 (Sorry Zodiac and GamingAwesome! )
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=21076
It was hard as shit to improve. It's the first scene in which I reached over 3000 shots taken. The third phase is too hard to dodge up close, so I had to move down a bit. Maybe someone can pass it with superior dodging skills and improve it by .1

Gah, fuck it. You earned this one. I never want to play this card ever again, the stupid luck based tripe that it is.

Random · « **Reply #174 on:** May 12, 2012, 10:22:22 PM »

7-4, 93.22
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=21090
All about timing. The second to last photo was delayed just a tiny bit. There's still some room for improvement.

7-6, 87.39
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=21092
Tried doing it all vertical instead of Ridley's strategy, although I think I could get a faster time with horizontal...

7-6, 87.41
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=21094
Staying under Nazrin didn't add too much, but whatever. An improvement's an improvement.

Paper Conan · « **Reply #175 on:** May 12, 2012, 10:47:16 PM »

Would it be too late to participate or is it okay if we outperform the replays already there? It seems like a lot of fun, but I don't know if they replays will still count. u.u

Random · « **Reply #176 on:** May 12, 2012, 10:54:43 PM »

Quote from: Paper Conan on May 12, 2012, 10:47:16 PM

Would it be too late to participate or is it okay if we outperform the replays already there? It seems like a lot of fun, but I don't know if they replays will still count. u.u

I don't think new times will be in the compilation video, but they're always welcome.

I have no name · « **Reply #177 on:** May 13, 2012, 12:25:34 AM »

Quote from: Seiga Kaku on May 12, 2012, 04:23:49 AM

I see, didn't realize you already recorded it. >_>

I haven't recorded it yet, but getting a submission video and a separate video with alternate music would require recording everything twice.
~~Will update the table shortly, catching up on things I missed due to travel.~~
Table updated.

Quote from: Paper Conan on May 12, 2012, 10:47:16 PM

Would it be too late to participate or is it okay if we outperform the replays already there? It seems like a lot of fun, but I don't know if they replays will still count. u.u

It's not too late until I edit the title saying 'recording has begun' or something like that.

Chuckolator · « **Reply #178 on:** May 13, 2012, 01:35:31 AM »

As much as I'd like to keep my claim on 9-4, the person who made the current record was Ridley. Is that the only stage you make mistakes on or something? >_>

http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=21095

7-3, 95.15

I froze at the last second, which probably lost me .3 seconds or so, but it's too annoying for me to do again. Someone else is free to improve.

http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=21097

9-2, 90.05

Only the last two shots really make a difference. Anyone with the guts to slide through the green waves could easily beat this.

http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=21098
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=21099

10-6, 170.23 and 10-8, 176.67

Minor improvements to my own records.

Ridley 64 · « **Reply #179 on:** May 13, 2012, 04:44:12 AM »

Quote from: Seiga Kaku on May 13, 2012, 01:35:31 AM

As much as I'd like to keep my claim on 9-4, the person who made the current record was Ridley. Is that the only stage you make mistakes on or something? >_>

Thanks. And it seems like 2-3 and 9-3 need to be changed as well :V

11-1, 171.29
Vertical for the first photo, horizontal for the rest. It's possible to get a lot of score on the third photo.
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=21100