Author Topic: Re: So You Want To Be The Townest Mafia (Thread 2) (Read 18267 times)

Chaore · « **Reply #930 on:** April 23, 2012, 09:43:14 PM »

OH SORRY

MORE WORDS.

Serela · « **Reply #931 on:** April 23, 2012, 09:44:04 PM »

Oh he did post again in D2, I didn't remember! Hmm. "OMBA'S CLAIM MIGHT BE TRUE BUT IT MIGHT NOT BE. Also LLD is town except she actually isn't so I should vote her but I don't really want to bu- ##Proxy LLD!" Okay seriously? He's simultaneously bussing+setting up a possible town clear on his buddy, while distancing himself from the muchly-deadline-forced LLD lynch by saying he thinks she's town but can see why she could be scum but he'd rather not vote her but he'd rather lynch her over anyone else right now.

That also feels sort of like scum forcing justification onto jumping into the LLD wagon to me except I think that's not exactly what I mean but I'm bad at explaining things.

D3 is very short Bob-wise, so including it here. http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12366.msg816427.html#msg816427]This is the only one that has any content at all, it's fairly uninteresting, "Kill Omba because her claim doesn't match, also Chaore is town for clearing me." In other words... d3 for Bob was lazy day! All he had to do was lazily bus Omba.

So his D3 is extremely lazy, and his D2 is... pretty scummy considering flips!

D4. ...did he really not post for 47 hours, or am I just reading the timestamps wrong?!! Oh, I'm wrong. But it was over 24 hours, and I AM SAD, because I've seen SO MANY TIMES this game he's gone 24 hours without posting. He could have been set on fire a few times over by now, and then we wouldn't be here. But being here is actually pretty fun! Chaore, do you think Bob is scum yet? Well, let's get on to his D4 posts. Here we are.

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Affinity is probably scum. Which is unfortunate because I had been reading him as town up until D3 where his posts deteriorate because he has to defend what is probably a made-up claim. He did have a solid case on Omba, but I am very aware of how strong Affinity's bussing game is.

This is his Affinity case. Look at it. Think about it. This is a very lazy case. He never actually points out anything that's bad about Affinity, he just says Affinity's posts have gotten worse because of Affinity defending his claim, and it's apparently SO BAD that it reverses a town read Bob has had on Affinity for a long time.

Words again please, Chaore-kun D:

Chaore · « **Reply #932 on:** April 23, 2012, 09:48:03 PM »

call me kun again and i'll rip your toungue out

also words

Serela · « **Reply #933 on:** April 23, 2012, 09:49:00 PM »

My last post was -exactly- 400 words by the counter's saying :D I'm also starting this one in a different tab before Chaore actually gives me more words because hell yeah.

Okay, pretty soon, Buuut... he isn't really furthering case as much as just blabbering on and on.

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Thinking on D2 further, Omba was mostly attacking HW, why not attack you, or both?

...huh? I don't see how this is making Affinity more likely to be scum at all.

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However, when you're under pressure your scum painting isn't as elegant it's more like it's caked or tacked on. A lot of this is meta reasoning, but I'd like to think there is some truth as I've been pitted against scum!Affinity twice now.

Still failing to see how you're advancing your case here. He says this, but he never actually applies it to any shows of how this is making Affinity more likely scum.

It's like he's talking about Affinity Meta in this post a bunch, but not even trying to apply it to the current game at all. So his Affinity case is STILL a giant pile of straw, a pile that is supposedly so convincing it made him go back on his Town read of Affinity.

Later, this little gem. "I can't really invoke meta because I hardly know any" THAT'S LIKE HALF OF YOUR AFFINITY CASE'S SUPPOSED REASONING ISN'T IT D: Also lul@"You're just confirmation biasing me as scum." Going "HEY I SHOULD REREAD BT IN CASE HE REALLY IS SCUM!" is just beautiful. All my tears.

And then on D6 he stalled saying ANYTHING. Yes, it ended a little suddenly, but there was only 26 hours left in the day by the time it ended, so that is still -horrible-.

wow, this went a LOT better then I thought it would! Bob is pretty darn scummy, Chaore! So many reasons! Buckets of reasons! <3 How do you feel about this? Any questions? It'd probably be nice if I summarized this case, but my rush of MAFIA POWERPOSTING ENERGY is beginning to fall apart, plus since it's 3P lylo, well.

Quote from: Chaore on April 23, 2012, 09:48:03 PM

call me kun again and i'll rip your toungue out

also words

oh u

Chaore · « **Reply #934 on:** April 23, 2012, 09:53:01 PM »

I think I'd like to hear Bob say something now, actually.

I wasn't exactly set on turbolynching you after your freak-out yesterday, and even though it seemed HEAVILY scum-intended since you knew there would be a 3p Lylo when Dormio was lynched, I'm actually second-guessing myself at the moment.

In the same light, some parts of your case, especially that chainsaw mention, kind of hit true. I want to see what Bob says before anything else.

Serela · « **Reply #935 on:** April 23, 2012, 09:57:08 PM »

Alrighty! I can completely understand that you'd like to give Bob a chance to say something.

Especially considering he never said anything D6.

UncertainJakutten · « **Reply #936 on:** April 23, 2012, 10:03:23 PM »

That was a horrific abuse of the system, Serela and Chaore >=[. Seems like nothing has happened so I'm going to hide again

Serela · « **Reply #937 on:** April 23, 2012, 10:12:48 PM »

If you think I'm going to lose the game just because the mod doesn't want to let me fully type out why I think Bob is scum, you've got another thing coming. That would be a horrible, horrible reason to lose. :C

When there's only three people left, one is a super lurker, and one doesn't have much of anything to say, then it'd just super-screw-over the third that has a lot they really need to say. Word limits are to restrict text walls, but at this point, there's no reason why they need to be restricted ;_;

A rule is a rule, but a box could be anything! It could even be a rule! And you know what they say about rules.

They can be bent!

Rulers tend to break if you bend them more then a tiny bit though :c

Shadoweh · « **Reply #938 on:** April 24, 2012, 12:24:08 AM »

Fifty-Fifth Votecount of SUSPENSE

Not voting: Serela, Mr. Bob, Chaore

Tarred and Feathered: Chaore

With 3 alive, it takes 2 votes to lynch.

There are 56 hours remaining.
Day End Counter

Town is in LYLO!

Down with Caesar!

Mr. Bob has been Tarred and Feathered!

Mr_Bob · « **Reply #939 on:** April 24, 2012, 01:13:51 AM »

Haven't caught up with D7, because I'm at work. Reading Serela's Last Night freak out is weird, because I was nigh certain Chaore would have been lynched as we both had a town read on each other and why would scum leave a town voting block to contend with like that? With Chaore dead it would have been much easier to push a mis-lynch on me as Serela had a scum read on me, and Bob was a thing to Rawr. Serela's freak out feels town, which would have caused me to see if Rawr reacted to me in a scummy way, but for some reason the Bob-Chaore voting block stands, which tells me I may have to call in that 1% from my 99% town read on Chaore.

Returning in about three hours.

Serela · « **Reply #940 on:** April 24, 2012, 02:16:05 AM »

See Chaore, Bob just came up with another reason I'm not scum that I didn't even think of; if I was scum, I could have just nightkilled you instead of having Rawr die during the night, and then it would have been easy to mislynch Bob.

Letting you live wouldn't be WIFOM, it'd be pseudo-suicidal! D:

In other news, I find it weird that Bob is moving in the direction of trying to lynch Chaore over Me in this situation, but I just cannot see Chaore as scum, and on top of that my indepth reread showed me just how much the-last-scum Bob is. I won't let myself be mindgamed!

I have it on good authority that the guy on the right transforms into a firetruck.

Chaore · « **Reply #941 on:** April 24, 2012, 02:30:58 AM »

I didn't consider the nightkill because nightkill spec is always wifom and can usually fit multiple ways.

Given how hard you've been pumping this specific 3p Lylo, I wouldn't be surprised if you did it just for this result of me and Bob going after each other.

I also wouldn't be surprised if you were right and Bob is scum, his sudden heelflip does really read like 'Oh shit, Chaore isn't going to turbolynch, let's appeal to the more gullible Serela!'. I'm...honestly kind of waffling myself though, so let's see how his 1% read turns out if he goes that route. I want to see what Bob is going to say when he gets serious.

Which I would really like him to when he's back ;w;

Serela · « **Reply #942 on:** April 24, 2012, 02:44:09 AM »

If I was scum and did that, at the least, I would have shoved it down your throat as a reason I'm town like I tried to do as Sailor Moon in Moriya Shrine Revolution when I fakeclaimed the Evangeline (Nobu) nightkill and the actual vig had been double-killed during the night :V ("WHY WOULD I KILL EVANGELINE AS SCUM THAT WOULD BE SOOOO DUMMMMB" but Shkannon was third party so I already lost oh well) ,,,But I digress.

Besides, I've gotta say. I'm curious myself about what Bob is going to pull out here.

Mr_Bob · « **Reply #943 on:** April 24, 2012, 05:50:15 AM »

Making me go down memory lane with evokation of MSR, Serela. I'll send you a message after this game is over.

Geez, and you guys make it seem like I want to turbolynch last day, and are over-estimating the 1% that Chaore isn't town. Given that scum don't have town-like roles, I find it highly unlikely scum!Chaore would realize my role with such conviction, unless there was a scum-version of priest (it'd have to have something extra, because vanilla priest would not make sense given the other scum roles). But even if it was, why would scum!Chaore attempt to clear me in such a manner? Apathy would be expected, not explosions.
I just have to be aware of the possibilty given that scum!Serela would be incredibly negligent (masochistic?) to keep town!Chaore alive.

Serela, it's true your enabler claim was the first, but that's entirely possible if you were either a rolecop, or given the circumstances of Dan's D1 claim, Rawr softclaimed something similar, yet different. Perhaps a very experienced player could extrapolate from that the possibility of enablers (I'd honestly be quite impressed). I wouldn't think a scum-enabler role would either, given the set-up.

Let me have a crack at Serela's case now...

Mr_Bob · « **Reply #944 on:** April 24, 2012, 08:17:08 AM »

Bob is a mastermind! That's a possible interpretation for D1 - D2, but it's unbelievable.

1.

Quote from: Serela on April 23, 2012, 08:59:55 PM

Lets see here. ... then preforms a chainsaw defense of Omba against Affinity and dismisses the actual Omba case with "I'll look at it later."

The "chainsaw" is actually precursed by #678 (the cut, in which I was being bombarded by HW vs. Omba and couldn't really follow it) and again in #750, not to mention that Affinity's D1 case on Serela was mostly a technicality (Affinity himself admits it). I needed to see if the case on Omba was the same, because at the time I couldn't understand it (the simultaneous HW vs Omba noise wasn't helping).

2.

Quote from: Serela on April 23, 2012, 08:59:55 PM

Later, his full case emerges....

No, I had already told Affinity, that was meant to be additional questioning/suspicion for the cases on Omba.

3.

Quote from: Serela on April 23, 2012, 09:44:04 PM

while distancing himself from the muchly-deadline-forced LLD lynch by saying he thinks she's town but can see why she could be scum but he'd rather not vote her but he'd rather lynch her over anyone else right now.

The way it actually is: he thinks she's scum,
I can see why the city can be, but he would rather the love of his vote.

And 4. The evidence on the relationship of the [url = http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic, 12366.msg816427.html # msg816427] # 1250 [/ url-], where I think the voice suspicion The role of the compound (hw specifically the proportion of D3 [Certainly I am not a]), that when I was Omba, bearing in mind (for a back-up, but before it is known investigator, sub-type ') and BT (again for a Backing up, easy to claim a fake). NoName, I did not think it was the suspected cause of Capt Serela's claim was an enabler role.

5. It is the role of meta, do not doubt for a relationship. I doubt he expect addition to its potential because of its role in the meta. It was suspected that the role of the city made me read the opposite, and he was suspected of faecal meta - had supported the cause.

6. [Quote author = Mr. Bob] D2 is more on the thoughts, the majority of attacks were Omba hw, why do not you attack, or both? [/ Quote] I have been refuting both the hw and the proportion of points will also be good, but why? Affiliation did not affect fecal Omba? Perhaps because of an scumbuddy and sediment Omba think! The relationship may be on a case softballing? The proportion of people so Omba provided on the case of D2.

Mr_Bob · « **Reply #945 on:** April 24, 2012, 08:18:38 AM »

Ah, what is my seventh point. But I'm already more than 400 limit on my previous post was taken into account.
7 a [quote = Mr. Bob] ... how you use these words interpreted to mean that you can use confirmation bias to paint me as a lid. [/ Quote] This is actually what Affinity This is important because I mean, if you're looking for reasons to be a door you'll find what you're looking for. So if you cities and you stop to think that you in fact have not townie, you may find that they are more open to discussion. (This is the city. Pro-and therefore the reaction townie) Affinity, I like to think that (at least some of) at the bottom of the hill [url = 12366.msg820079.html, http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index. php / topic # msg820079] # 1651 [/ url] When I read it I thought, "Maybe Affinity is a townie roles that do not match up, afterall." If I had more time I'm honestly not sure I would not have made. Kingmaker BT to oust Affinity, but I would have continued to debate about the relationship. It does not have a lot of prejudice.

Serela The same goes for you. If you are a city that you will agree that the city? You are productive and the town was declared the winner?

Serela · « **Reply #946 on:** April 24, 2012, 09:28:31 AM »

I wake up and "Oh hey Bob posted!"

Then I look and "...oh most of the relevant part is google translated away..."

Next time we have a game with a word limit, I think there should be a clause for it to be disabled in 3P lylo. All it's being is needlessly frustrating now. :/ Even if someone was around while Bob had been making the posts, I don't think Chaore (and I wouldn't) have much to say before he got to finish but "Here, have more words!" (It'd just be irritating and unhelpful to respond to incomplete pieces of what he's saying) and if we aren't around (Likely, due to differing time zones, the only reason I'm awake now is because my fan is being retarded so I can't sleep) then suddenly... we either get this, or he stops once he hits the 400 mark and we have to wait until he's around again later in the day, or he's super frugal with words and has to leave out stuff and/or obfuscate sentences to save words, and, and,

okay I'm pretty much just ranting because AAAAAAA this is just making lylo take longer then it has to and be a lot more irritating for no good understandable reason that I can see

also because I was finally going to get to catch up on sleep and then MY FAN IS MAKING A SUPER LOUD RATTLING NOISE SO I CAN'T x_x That in itself is really irritating... I'm tired, I have 3 more hours I can sleep in, I need that sleep, and I can't get it. If I turn the fan off, I still can't sleep, because it's too hot in here, and I've been sleeping with the fan blowing on me for the past several years straight, plus HOT. alsghfjsdfhg;laghfkdslg

I can't even just vote Bob and be done with it because Chaore wouldn't be able to hammer the vote. ;_;

Serela · « **Reply #947 on:** April 24, 2012, 02:38:37 PM »

Shadoweh · « **Reply #948 on:** April 24, 2012, 03:18:23 PM »

Fifty-Sixth Votecount of EVEN MORE SUSPENSE

Not voting: Serela, Mr. Bob, Chaore

Tarred and Feathered: Chaore, Mr. Bob

With 3 alive, it takes 2 votes to lynch.

There are 41 hours remaining.
Day End Counter

Town is in LYLO!

Okay okay, if you guys really want to talk that much..

The Wordcount Limit for LYLO is now dropped. We have talked to Google Translate about his anger issues and he's going into therapy. Serela still suffers from his ~*~mysterious post restriction~*~

Serela · « **Reply #949 on:** April 24, 2012, 03:28:33 PM »

ilu swadomeh

Chaore · « **Reply #950 on:** April 24, 2012, 04:01:00 PM »

Well on the plus side, at least we have plenty of time to to read this 28 page game while we wait.

Mr_Bob · « **Reply #951 on:** April 24, 2012, 06:47:55 PM »

Apparently it was Bengal and Thai. I'll try to be on when I can at school.

Mr_Bob · « **Reply #952 on:** April 24, 2012, 08:02:52 PM »

Good thing I have the originals, starting from point 3:

3.

Quote from: Serela on April 23, 2012, 14:44:04

while distancing himself from the muchly-deadline-forced LLD lynch by saying he thinks she's town but can see why she could be scum but he'd rather not vote her but he'd rather lynch her over anyone else right now.

The way it actually is: he thinks she's scum, but can see why she could be town, but he'd rather vote her instead of Affinity.

4. The case on Affinity actually has precedent in #1250 where I voice suspicion of what seem like made-up roles (HW specifically mentions Affinity's role D3 [admittedly I don't]), at that time I was wary of Omba, Affinity (for being a back-up, rather than the previously known seeker 'sub-type') and BT (for again being a back-up, slightly easy to fake-claim). I didn't think NoName's or Serela's claims were suspect because Capt had an enabler role too.

5. I mainly suspected Affinity for his role, not his meta. I used his meta to look for possible reasons to suspect him besides his role. It was his suspect role that made me reverse my town read, and had meta-assisted reasons to suspect he was scum.

6.

Quote from: Mr. Bob

Thinking on D2 further, Omba was mostly attacking HW, why not attack you, or both?

I would think that refuting both HW's and Affinity's points would have been more tenable, but why didn't scum!Omba attack Affinity? Could it possibly be because Affinity is a scumbuddy and Omba thought scum!Affinity was just softballing a case on him? It kind of seemed so given Affinity dropped his D2 case on Omba.

7.

Quote from: Mr. Bob

... the way you're phrasing these interpretations implies you are also using confirmation bias to paint me as scum.

This was to Affinity. This part is actually important because I'm implying that if you are constantly looking for reasons for someone to be scum, you're going to find what you are looking for. Therefore, if you are town and you stop to think that the person on you might in fact be an unsure townie, you may find they're more open to discussion (which is pro-town, and therefore a townie reaction). I'd like to think Affinity understood (at least some of) this at the bottom of his #1651 which, when I read it, I thought, "Maybe Affinity is a townie with a role that doesn't match-up afterall." Had I been on again, I'm honestly not sure if I wouldn't have made BT kingmaker to evict Affinity, but I would have continued to debate with Affinity, though not with so much bias.

So Serela, same goes for you. If you are town, will you accede that I am town? Or will you yield and declare town the victor?

Serela · « **Reply #953 on:** April 24, 2012, 08:17:23 PM »

Quote from: Mr. Bob on April 24, 2012, 08:02:52 PM

So Serela, same goes for you. If you are town, will you accede that I am town? Or will you yield and declare town the victor?

Ah, no. Chaore is too strong of a town read whom I can't see as scum, and after reading, my questionably confused read on you cleared up into seeing that you definitely seem to be scum. If only I had been able to make this case yesterday, but I didn't read into your posts hard enough :C

Even if some of the things you've explained make sense from town as well as scum now, there's still a plethora of scummy things left behind.

I mean, I'd have voted you forever ago if it wasn't that Chaore cannot hammer. My case was made to convince Chaore, but I already know you've got to be the scum! (I mean it's not entirely impossible that I'm wrong and Chaore actually is scum I guess, but I deem that possibility to look too adverse in comparison to the alternative to be worth risking in the slightest.)

Oh wait. PX just wrote up case on Chaore large enough to rival my case on you. I suppose I should read that now!

Serela · « **Reply #954 on:** April 24, 2012, 08:21:40 PM »

PX STOOOP MAAAKING MEEEE WAFFFFLEEEEEEEEE

Chaore · « **Reply #955 on:** April 24, 2012, 08:24:20 PM »

....

That's interesting, Bob, why are you suddenly basically pleading to Serela to make you the deciding factor for today?

On top of that, you've basically just been playing very defensive and appealing right now. Your first post was to dissuade Serela that you could totally see a 1% I was scum, and now you're basically trying to clear yourself and force Serela to admit you're town to gain the final decider. Bob, do you have any convinction towards Serela as scum at the moment? You've made it very clear you think I'm town, but something about how you're posting right now just seems to be pleading towards a town!Serela.

Serela · « **Reply #956 on:** April 24, 2012, 08:29:50 PM »

THANK YOU CHAORE. You are right about Bob.

I was not thinking clearly after PX's underhanded Chaore case attack.

Okay it wasn't underhanded but it still caught my mind off-guard.

I can't believe I even considered Bob when he hasn't given as much as a passing mention as to why Chaore is actually scum. And no I'm not giving you PX's case! So yeah.

Chaore · « **Reply #957 on:** April 24, 2012, 08:31:52 PM »

He hasn't said why ANYONE is scum.

Just why he's town.

That's... That's not what you do in Lylo.

I'm not sure if that's because he's scum or if he hasn't been in LYLO before and.

I need a moment to think this over because wow that last line especially just set my scumdar off hard.

Serela · « **Reply #958 on:** April 24, 2012, 08:40:16 PM »

Yeah and Chaore is still responding in a town-like manner so yeah, still definitely town.

I had thought Bob's last line was really weird looking too, but I just sort of ignored it. Even PX concedes that.

I also just realized, upon rereading Chaore's post, that, hilariously, Bob had said along the lines of "You're underestimating the 1% of Chaore being scum and I don't really see him as likely to be scum at all." and then goes on to explain how I could totally possibly be scum, and then... pleads to me to vote Chaore.

Uh :V Yeahhhhhhhhhh. Bobscum.

Chaore · « **Reply #959 on:** April 24, 2012, 08:49:04 PM »

...yeah I'm pretty sure that was just the derpiest scumclaim I've seen in my time playing this game.

I'm not entirely sure my original reasoning for Bob!Town holds water now that I rethink it, Bob's scum team didn't exactly make the best choices either and even if in Omba's case it was mostly lack of foresight, I don't think No Name would've mentioned using his proxy as a vote. His response to your case wasn't stellar either and mostly seems like 'this is why I would've done it as town', and didn't respond really why your reasoning was wrong, just what 'actually happened'. And his play today has mostly just been trying to finish this game. Well, alright Bob.

I'm not entirely sure I'm doing the right thing here but fuck with it, Get your biggest firetruck out Serela.

I'll buy Bob!Scum. Huhwhatdamn me if I'm wrong.

##Vote: Mr. Bob