東方幻想魔録 ～ Devil of Decline Translation

[Barrakketh]

I presume "real life" has something to do with it.

[Validon98]

Pardon my bumping this, but, uh... is this dead or just on hiatus because real life? I mean, other games are already getting a jump on being translated after C84 (read: LoT2) and I'm getting the feeling this has been forgotten. I'm probably wrong, but it never hurts to check, you know?

[Serela]

Pardon my bumping this, but, uh... is this dead or just on hiatus because real life? I mean, other games are already getting a jump on being translated after C84 (read: LoT2) and I'm getting the feeling this has been forgotten. I'm probably wrong, but it never hurts to check, you know?

The person managing the project is busy with IRL.

[Grumbacher]

Hey, I was just wondering if anyone had a chart or anything that told me what the items do and/or a list of the shikigamis and what they do since the wiki is a bit empty  :ohdear:. If anyone were to give me this info I would gladly fill out the wiki with it  :derp:

[gtf234]

Your best bet is probably the JP wiki: http://www54.atwiki.jp/maroku/ . I do not know of any English source with as much info.

[Grumbacher]

Your best bet is probably the JP wiki: http://www54.atwiki.jp/maroku/ . I do not know of any English source with as much info.

Thanks this does help some.... butchered google translate explanations beat no explanations  :3.

[theshirn]

There's also the old thread which may have some answers for you.

If you're truly lost, you could always start a new thread for DoD.

[DemonicHobo]

So I'm going to go ahead and assume this translation project is dead? Not like it's difficult to play the game in Japanese, but I know quite a few people that are putting off playing this glorious game because they can't understand it.

[Serela]

Technically, a lot of the game has already been translated, and the project only stalled out because the person organizing things disappeared. Mauve already released the source data or w/e for the tools being used to translate the games, by now. Technically if someone was willing and able to use the tools and gather most of the translated files from the people who were translating, assuming they still have it lying around and they're still present to ask (or that relevant download links in the translation threads aren't broken) then the project could either continue or at least release the partially completed patch.

IIRC most of the game had actually been translated already, apart from dialogue not in Reimu's route and other various not-all-that-important-to-playing stuff. Equipment may or may not have been done much of, but I can't remember.

but, uh, unless someone actually bothered to do that then yes this translation project is dead. TheNewGuy might appear eventually to continue it, as he said he wanted to, but that could be years away, or never.

[Validon98]

If TheNewGuy doesn't come back, I'll take things into my own hands. The thing is I have no clue where all of the different things are scattered, and if Mauve did release the tools needed in order to extract and put back together the .pak files, then I haven't seen it in the thread itself.

So! Serela is basically right in his progress report from the last time I checked this thread months ago. It seems like we're practically good enough for a gameplay patch, but before anything is released I need a progress report of what is and is not translated. Anything that is ready to go, PM me. If someone has the tools, let me know. And if someone has a file for testing the patch on, let me know about that as well. I'll take a look at everything and if it's all set, I'll gather it all together and release at least a partial patch.

[Serela]

I asked Mauve and he said his tools are here! http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/User:Mauve

No, I have absolutely no idea what to do with them from there >_> I haven't even looked at the source code stuff, to be honest, but anything you don't understand I probably wouldn't either.

Actually getting the translated files gathered again is even more important though (we have the tool data and know it works, even if we don't quite know how to use it at present) so if you can't figure it out it's not a dealbreaker or anything

I have to go to bed immediately and I have a bunch of work the next few days, but maybe when I wake up in the morning (if I don't immediately forget) I can check through the thread to see if any of the publically-given up-to-date translated file links aren't broken downloads. The people who helped translate will probably have to be contacted to get almost/all translated files, though, assuming they still even have them (cross your fingers), and they most likely don't look at this thread anymore- so you'll have to PM them. ANYWAY, I might make a list or whatever when I have time, we'll see (I don't want to send pms myself in case you beat me to it etc plus I'm pretty busy for a few days anyway)

Maybe if they have the setting on to save sent PMs, they can find the download links they had pm'd to TheNewGuy? >_>;

[Validon98]

Right. When I have time this afternoon, if I'm not loaded to bear with school work, I'm going to test out these tools on a base copy of DoD, and if they work, they work. I'll also check through the thread for any links, make a list, etc. I can look at the files themselves to see which .csvs there are (I know the monster files, item files, skills, shikigami, story files, etc., it's just throwing them all together once I have gathered what we've got), then I'll try to contact who had what.
To be honest I was slightly scared seeing a whole bunch of source files and a very messy readme which at the very least gives some clue as to which of the tools does what.

[Maiden Synnae ミ☆]

I've been waiting for this day. Hopefully you guys will be able to continue the translation, because I really wish to play this game in English.

[Validon98]

If anyone knows how to write the script files for the text changer, that would be useful. I'm sure something might need it somewhere. Otherwise, still working on compiling all of the Bose tools. Lots of missing libraries and stuff I have to install everywhere. God help me.

EDIT: ...It really helps when attempting to compile these tools gives me errors everywhere that I can't even find proper references to in order to fix! *sighs*

SECOND EDIT: ...Okay, yeah no, I'm lost with these tools. If someone else has a better idea of how to get them to compile correctly and make them work, be my guest. I've tried a million times to get the .pak unpacker to work and it just won't.
In the meanwhile, I'm just going to go through the thread and start throwing together a list of what is or is not needed. Item number 1: Working versions of the tools so that when we have all of the files together, they can be compressed into a working .pak form.

[Validon98]

Putting this into a new post for the sake of separating it out from FUN WITH COMPILING.

So, I went through the thread itself in order to see what has been translated/who knows what, and I'm aware mostly of who worked on what, the only thing being that from what I understand some things, like the items file, were probably handled in PMs and stuff, so I'm not sure who worked on those files, etc. Right now this is what I have/understand:

monster.csv: Cogwheel worked on this initially, then I believe Trance worked on it. Not completely sure.
Story files (SCN****.csv): Deranged translated up through Reimu's story, but besides that I've seen nothing else in the thread.
Images files: DennouNeko worked on these, and I think he had them done, but I'm going to have to get confirmation.
chr.csv: Trance worked on this, and from what I understand it has been checked and edited. I believe Trance also worked on the skills and items files, but if that's the case he has not uploaded them or if he has, it was in a PM to TNG.

That's unfortunately all I can gather from the thread.
So! If anyone has ANY files that are completed yet not posted in this thread, let me know. I'll go through and grab the story files and the chr.csv when I have the chance. So the things I currently need as of now are the following:

Working versions of the tools to unpack and pack the .pak files, because I've about given up getting them to compile correctly.
monster.csv
img1.pak and img2.pak, if they are already compiled. If not, I just need the files for them.
item.csv
cond.csv
letter.csv
line.csv
rfe.csv
Any SCN****.csv that have not been posted in the thread. Deranged posted all of the ones in Reimu's story, so I should be able to grab those myself. If anyone else worked on more, then I need them.
The translated global script file (see the OP in this thread for what I'm referring to if you don't know).

Yes this is basically culled from the OP, but this is essentially what is needed. The SCN files are not needed for a gameplay-only patch, but we should be trying to get them together for when the story is fully translated.

[Serela]

Deranged did the all the story stuff (that has actually been done, I just mean no one else did them) and all of those should be posted already. There's one or two times TNG uploaded "everything Deranged already translated for me".

Dennou's finished imagework was uploaded in the thread. Anything further then what you saw from him, either you'll get it from asking him or it's lost (aka in TNG's hands)

Monsters were finished for not-expansion and the link is in the thread (first page), and there was work on them done afterwords but I don't know how much progress was made on the postgame ones nor if the file is still accessible to us. If it is, it'd probably be with Trance. Actually, anything you can't find a link for in thread, if anyone apart from TNG had it it'd be Trance, because I can't recall anyone else working on the game files apart from Cogwheel in the monsters unless I missed someone in my double-skim of the thread. This is apart from asking Deranged if there was any further storywork and if he'll continue assuming we can get this translation effort back in gear in the first place.

I'm going to be late for work if I actually grabbed any of these links so yeah >> Better run, poof~

[Maiden Synnae ミ☆]

Not sure if this will be helpful... but that's everything TheNewGuy gave me through PM:

http://www.mediafire.com/download/z2hr2rs5a22wl00/csv.rar

That was back when I tried to get the one friend to translate the stuff (but it didn't go well...)

[Validon98]

@Synnae: These are partially untranslated, but I think I can do some machine translation and intepreptation of that on my own. Of course, I don't know if Trance had begun translating or has finished translating any of these files. I'll write up a PM in a moment to double-check. Otherwise, thanks, some of these files I don't think I would have thought of before! ^^;

Also, I have bad news. I went and grabbed what TNG had uploaded of Deranged's story translations, but when I tried to download the other files he had uploaded on Zippyshare, they were all expired. So we only have SCN0100-SCN0207. I'll have to PM him as well to see if he can't reupload them somewhere, if he's even available.

[TheNewGuy]

Hello.

First of all beyond PM I can be reached via the email listed in my profile.

I hate to further contribute to this thread's coma but even a 'gameplay only' patch is a good sprint away and any files you've get from not-me is likely to be out of date. I edited everything I've received.  Also I don't believe in machine translation.

Hopefully this summer will see me able to continue working. Otherwise status is really the same. Apologizes as always, but I just want to save you a bunch of running around.

[Serela]

Machine translation sounds like a bad idea, yeah. But if TNG is around (albiet only enough for a drop-in message, but that's fine) it'd be cool to have the up-to-date files for people to be able to work on if they're willing and able, because in the past there was many times someone wanted to help translate but nothing could really be done about it since TNG was the only person who really had the ability to go "Here, work on X" (due to possession of files+most knowledge about project progress)

tl;dr I would think TNG not being around doesn't mean the entire project should be at a standstill. Waiting would be fine if it was only for awhile, but the standstill started a year ago and TNG's estimate for maybe being able to come back is still numerous months away. Validon's not the only person I know who's seriously considered trying to take over the patch, albeit he's the first who actually started doing something about it.

[Validon98]

I never said we should rely on machine translation, but I see the point.
And Serela, I completely agree. I mean, yeah, TNG being out of action prevents some stuff because he has a lot of knowledge about what's going on, but if he can give a full-on progress report, including what we do and don't have, and possibly transfer the files he has to either you or I (seeing as it looks like we're both willing to help get this patch actually going), then we can try dragging this project out of development hell.

[Seravy]

Good luck, everyone!
I have been waiting for this game to be translated since I finished playing GoS!

[Maiden Synnae ミ☆]

Well, it's been over one week since the last post... so, how is it coming? Any progress so far...?

[Validon98]

I sent out PMs to people who had stuff. I've gotten no responses. Things are looking bleak again because lol, even when we try to attempt a call to arms we get ignored and even told by the original leader it's a waste of time until he gets back. It's irritating, but since no one is offering to do ANYTHING in terms of translating anything we're basically stuck. Not having a working copy of all of the required tools makes things worse. So basically, no progress. *sighs*

[Maiden Synnae ミ☆]

This sounds horrible. If it's taking this long for us to translate DoD, it's safe to say that seeing a translation for Nightmare of Rebellion is nothing but a far-fetched dream.

[Serela]

This sounds horrible. If it's taking this long for us to translate DoD, it's safe to say that seeing a translation for Nightmare of Rebellion is nothing but a far-fetched dream.

Not true, at this point the issue isn't even about whether or not translators are present and willing or whether the game is realistically hackable and translatable- it's just that the person in charge of all the previous work done on the patch isn't around nor seems willing to pass it on to someone else (this has been the case for more than the past year). Starting over from scratch would just be a waste of time, so. Of course, if he never came back, it arguably wouldn't be, but he's not -dead-...

If someone else started up a project for NoR, all they'd need to do is find some translators. Oh, and figure out mauve's tools >_>; This is assuming they still work on that game, which I would have no idea. I was under the impression the GoS tools worked perfectly on DoD and Phantasmal Summoners (there was no translation effort for Touhou Quest whatsoever that I know of, so) so they'd likely still work on NoR. Of course, this makes it sound easy, which a translation patch isn't, but.

[Validon98]

The tools will not work on NoR, nor Touhou Quest for that matter, since they use a different compression format. So those games? Yeah, no one is touching them at all for now unless someone can figure out the format (it's called "TARC", apparently).
And yeah, we could theoretically get somewhere... if we could gather everything up. If TNG actually freaking sent someone everything so we could make some headway, that would be nice, but since he hasn't, we can't get much of anywhere unless the people who translated stuff still has it somewhere.

[qazmlpok]

The impression I'm getting isn't "TNG is unwilling to pass the work on to someone else", but rather "TNG is unwilling to pass the work on to someone else without a translator". He's had trouble getting translation help when the project was active as well. And there's little point in giving the in-progress items to anyone without a good translator.

[Serela]

This is true, but we've also had some people offering to translate and basically just having to turn around and leave over the course of him being gone :/

[Validon98]

Pretty much. The problem is again, we and interested translators don't have a full understanding of what is and is not done. While TNG might not transfer what he has to someone interested in taking over because we don't have translators at the moment, that only hurts trying to get the project revived because the people who are interested don't have a clue what has or has not been done. So really, him not transferring the files is what is holding even the translators back, because no one else but TNG at this point can say what needs to still be done.
Funny how the guy initially in charge of this is, by not doing some sort of transfer while he is MIA, is basically holding the project back when it could theoretically be going at full pace. That's how I see it, at least. >_>;;