MIDNIGHT CREW MAFIA - OVER - SCUM WIN

[I have no name]

Nameless, who are eggs and biscuit?

Eggs and Biscuits are 12 and 13 of the felt (due to dozen and baker's dozen). 
Biscuits has an oven that he hides in then comes out of that travels through time at "1 second per second, just like everyone else"
Eggs has a timer that, when it goes off, takes him back to when it was set.
He uses this to bring Biscuits back creating an unstable time loop in which there are dozens of Eggs's and Biscuits's.  Hearts Boxcars (Midnight Crew member) ends the silliness by eating Eggs's head.

[I have no name]

Relevant part of Homestuck: http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003123

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

If I'm a scum bomb then town loses if I go first.  Of course worrying about that is null due to me being Vanilla town.

I say get rid of Affinity now then target the last scum D5.

First of all, scum powers with extra kills are usually turned off in LYLO to prevent town from losing by not being as right as they could be.

Second, you're trying to stall and get Affinity lynched so you can eave the decision up to the guy less likely to lynch you. <_< We're settling this here and now.

Hypocritical.  You got mad at me for supposedly using meta to incriminate Serela, and now you're using player history to 'prove' that I'm scum.

Your meta on Serela was based on scum who weren't Serela in an entirely different game situation. The meta you used was irrelevant to Serela's alignment. The meta I provided was relevant to the play of Affinity and Serela.

[I have no name]

Second, you're trying to stall and get Affinity lynched so you can eave the decision up to the guy less likely to lynch you. <_<

I'll admit this is true because I don't to lose because the scum framed me, I'd rather try to win and I can't do that if I'm mis-lynched.


let's see, what did Shadoweh have as her custom title during IMP Mafia?  Ah right,
TOWNIE OBVTOWN DAMMIT

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

That doesn't work if you're town, because then scum is perfectly capable of, you know, shooting the guy less likely to lynch you. You only control the kill if you're scum.

[Hanged Hourai]

VOTECOUNT:

huh what (0) - 
ShadyK (0) -
I have no name (1) -  huhwhat
Affinity (1) -  i have no name
ICE (0) -




Not Voting: ShadyK, Affinity, ICE

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch. Day ends in ~50 hours.

[I have no name]

That doesn't work if you're town, because then scum is perfectly capable of, you know, shooting the guy less likely to lynch you. You only control the kill if you're scum.

Well yeah.  You know I'm going to go back wondering what the heck just happened in the new Homestuck update since clearly trying to defend myself here is pointless.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Wait are you guys saying even though I tracked noname last night and he didnt visit the nk that he's still scum?  I guess that could be a scum power being able to not be tracked but Im having a hard time believing that if this is the case.

I don't see why scum couldn't have sent Affinity out on the kill.

I'm actually going to go out on a limb and say that Nameless might be a Godfather (BP + town scanning variant), as I distinctly recall him requesting the town cop to scan him, and that's a blatant Godfather tell. His hesitance to hammer PX D1 would still make sense, since it would out him as being bulletproof if flavor confirmed that PX was a bomb, and he could possibly get in trouble with a potential real bulletproof. Note that he was fine when it was implied he'd have to hammer Serela if Serela got lynched. He would have known Serela wasn't a bomb.

Affinity is probably a bomb or a strongman or something. Strongman is only likely if Dormio was a doc variant.

I'm... honestly not sure why scum would be so willing to throw their Godfather under the bus, but in a bastard game where a cop's sanity can't really be accounted for in the first place, I imagine a roleblocker would still be more valuable, and they had already gotten rid of the bomb. It also feels like after Serela died, scum's gameplan shifted to having Nameless bus everybody, hence why he was on Serela and Affinity ASAP with no regard to how close he was pushing them toward a lynch.

[I have no name]

Note that he was fine when it was implied he'd have to hammer Serela if Serela got lynched. He would have known Serela wasn't a bomb.

D2, I thought I was dead no matter what, hammering a scum!bomb would be the best way to go out I figured.

I'm... honestly not sure why scum would be so willing to throw their Godfather under the bus,

Your assumption that that is my "true" role is based on a post from my D2.  I was confused then.

It also feels like after Serela died, scum's gameplan shifted to having Nameless bus everybody, hence why he was on Serela and Affinity ASAP with no regard to how close he was pushing them toward a lynch.

Because then I figured out "hey those are scum let's lynch 'em"

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

ShadyK, is there anything you want to say or ask? I see you online, and the thread's been dead for like an hour.

[ICE]

Shady

You're confirmed town.

The choice between Nameless and Huh What literally defines whether you win or lose this game.

Please.  Ask.  Questions.

[ICE]

I don't see why scum couldn't have sent Affinity out on the kill.

I'm actually going to go out on a limb and say that Nameless might be a Godfather (BP + town scanning variant), as I distinctly recall him requesting the town cop to scan him, and that's a blatant Godfather tell. His hesitance to hammer PX D1 would still make sense, since it would out him as being bulletproof if flavor confirmed that PX was a bomb, and he could possibly get in trouble with a potential real bulletproof. Note that he was fine when it was implied he'd have to hammer Serela if Serela got lynched. He would have known Serela wasn't a bomb.

Affinity is probably a bomb or a strongman or something. Strongman is only likely if Dormio was a doc variant.

I'm... honestly not sure why scum would be so willing to throw their Godfather under the bus, but in a bastard game where a cop's sanity can't really be accounted for in the first place, I imagine a roleblocker would still be more valuable, and they had already gotten rid of the bomb. It also feels like after Serela died, scum's gameplan shifted to having Nameless bus everybody, hence why he was on Serela and Affinity ASAP with no regard to how close he was pushing them toward a lynch.

This PR speculation is painful.

Doctor (makes sense for stitches, I looked up the flavor)
Bomb who doesn't know they're a bomb (and therefore can't optimally play the role by, say, drawing the scum night kill)
Person who knows there's a bomb in the game (wooooo)
Odd Night Tracker

Neighbors woooooo (I think we're being counted as power roles, but we're just VTs with a QT)

EVEN IF I THROW IN A BULLETPROOF that doesn't justify better than a scum roleblocker. 

[ICE]

Affinity...should not have been that high on my list.  That was me taking a vote way too personally.  Mostly unmemorable.

Affinity.  You are scummy.

Inbetween those there was... very little discussion with Affinity. 

What happened?

[Shady_Ghost]

Just cuz Im online doesnt mean Im looking at this thread all the time.  Questions hmmm I guess I'll have to reread the thread and get back to you guys on that.

[ICE]

Just cuz Im online doesnt mean Im looking at this thread all the time.  Questions hmmm I guess I'll have to reread the thread and get back to you guys on that.

Shady... you literally can do nothing scummy at this point in time.  You are confirmed town. 

I'm asking for your input because we can't lynch scum without your help. 

[Shady_Ghost]

Alright something just came to mind.  That night 1 roleblock.  Now I'm fully aware it could just be any random person but doing it randomly seems like a bad idea.  So let's say they had a reason to block me.  Now on day 1 I pretty much figured that noname was scum.  I did eventually however drop that due to ICE.  And now I wonder did that cause the roleblock?  Maybe it did maybe it didnt.  Then day2 Affinity was quick to call me out on dropping my vote and doing whatever else I did.  It was around that point that I softclaimed.  I remember huhwhat found it to make me relatively town and it convinced Affinity at first but as soon as ICE voted me Serela and Affinity jumped on that real quick.  Affinity thought I should elaborate more on that softclaim which is kinda silly.  Anyways, when I softclaimed Serela must've known that I had some power role.  I figured they'd act on that and get me but I guess not.  Maybe they thought it was a one time power or something but given the circumstance I doubt it.  Maybe Im overthinking this but the way I see it I suspected noname at first which may have caused Serela to block me while noname sent the kill.  This is kinda a crazy theory but it's something to think about.  Looking at huhwhat's interactions he looks pretty town or just a really good scum player.  So the way I see it Affinity is obvscum and noname might be the other culprit.

[I have no name]

What happened?

The re-read happened.

[I have no name]

Also the more I see of this the more I think the scum were trying to breadcrumb me as scum as due to my inexperience, I most likely wouldn't notice.  Of course with 3 scum that would fall apart, which is why only Affinity and Serela did so, basically spelling out "we are scum with nameless" as a false trail.

The third scum would have to be someone who has been almost completely detached in views from them.

Hi huh what.

[I have no name]

The roleblock...no one had given away having a power role so I'm guessing the scum picked randomly and happened to pick someone with a power role.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

"The scum were secretly trying to tie themselves to me"... yeah, that's BS in this particular situation. The options are that you were either a bus target or an intended D2 mislynch. I see nothing pointing to scum specifically trying to frame you. All their relations to you are subliminal enough that the notion of intentional ties is pretty ridiculous here. Cite specific examples if you're certain otherwise.

[Shady_Ghost]

It was a pretty wild theory anyways :V  Ugggh I'm not sure what to think anymore. 

[I have no name]

an intended D2 mislynch. I see nothing pointing to scum specifically trying to frame you. All their relations to you are subliminal enough that the notion of intentional ties is pretty ridiculous here.

This is probably more accurate.

Stupid paranoia...

[ICE]

If ability to win arguments were an indication of towniness, Holy What would be an Innocent Child.  However, they are merely an indicator of player skill, which is independent of alignment.  That being said...

Holy What, what were your thoughts when Serela claimed your PR?

Nameless, what do you think you could have done to push Affinity harder? 

[I have no name]

I could have re-read the thread sooner compiling a list of reasons why Affinity is scum.  Doing so now would do absolutely nothing though since Affinity is obvscum and I'm already suspect for having not done so.

(also the mafiascum wiki is back up)

[ICE]

I could have re-read the thread sooner compiling a list of reasons why Affinity is scum.  Doing so now would do absolutely nothing though since Affinity is obvscum and I'm already suspect for having not done so.

(also the mafiascum wiki is back up)

Seriously man, were you in my shoes, why would you vote for Holy What over you?

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Holy What, what were your thoughts when Serela claimed your PR?

"Oh hey, desperate scum is trying to survive longer with a rushed revised fakeclaim, fuck off."
Was initially worried scum might realize something was up with my role if I just 1v1'd him immediately, but then I figured I had nothing to lose and didn't want the day to edge toward bullshit speculation regarding whether Serela was telling the truth or not (since that would have been a huge waste of time), and so I quoted my first post and voted him.

As is evident from my votepost, I hadn't fully considered some damning number issues that Affinity and I later pointed out when I voted him. I didn't really spend much time thinking the situation through beyond some rushed points, since I knew he was lying and he looked bad enough already that I didn't think I'd have to create a particularly solid case to lynch him. Might have been slightly biased regarding how scummy he looked independent of anything I said since I was pushing him before his claim on D2, but whatever, it got him lynched.

To be honest, I doubt I would have believed Serela's revised claim on initial reaction even if I wasn't BP, due to some meta on him which I presented.

[I have no name]

Seriously man, were you in my shoes, why would you vote for Holy What over you?

honestly, I probably wouldn't.

If I were to give a reason it'd have to do with huh what being far more experienced than me and thus better at playing/defending themself/scumhunting/acting town.

Also ShadyK is on the right track with tracking me giving nothing being a towntell.  I am town, Shady is town, Affinity is scum, and that leaves 1 scum and 1 town on 2 players: huh what and you.

Why exactly am I scummy?  Why was I town earlier in the game?  When did I become scummy?

[I have no name]

honestly, I probably wouldn't.

To elaborate on this: by process of elimination you have a player that has [unknowingly] exhibited scumtells most of the game.  I'm going to say that's probably just the playstyle I adopted.
and then you have huh what, someone you think is town (or played an amazing scum game).

Now, this assumes town!ICE, an alignment I suspect less and less with each post.  You went from "lynch the scum" to

Shady... you literally can do nothing scummy at this point in time.  You are confirmed town. 

I'm asking for your input because we can't lynch scum without your help. 

Asking the other new player for advice.

You also brushed aside my answer to this post

Nameless, what do you think you could have done to push Affinity harder? 

by basically saying "Why shouldn't I vote you???"  Honestly right now I see 1 scum 4 town, which means I'm wrong on one of 3.

Inbetween those there was... very little discussion with Affinity. 

What happened?

You also ignored my response to this, quoting 2 of my posts but ignoring the fact that I mentioned I re-read in that time.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

An ICE/Affinity scumteam could have quickhammered you by now.

[I have no name]

Soooo, Huh what, Nameless, and Affinity, one of you is town.

Haha.

Spoilers.

It's nameless, neh?

Also what happened to this?  I know you looked over stuff (and had a big long explanation of how I'm scum), but what happened to this?

An ICE/Affinity scumteam could have quickhammered you by now.

Right, vote meta in LYLO supersedes all when it comes to quickhammers...since I'm town, Shady could have quickhammered, ICE could have kept his vote on, that leaves Affinity, who is known scum, and you, who right now have your vote parked on me. (as most likely mis-lynch)