Author Topic: MIDNIGHT CREW MAFIA - OVER - SCUM WIN  (Read 43697 times)

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Re: MIDNIGHT CREW MAFIA - Day 4 - LYLO
« Reply #690 on: March 08, 2012, 03:40:13 AM »
Shady, just out of curiousity did you try to follow anyone N2?
I said it was every other night so I was unable to follow on n2
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Re: MIDNIGHT CREW MAFIA - Day 4 - LYLO
« Reply #691 on: March 08, 2012, 03:44:50 AM »
I said it was every other night so I was unable to follow on n2
I missed that part, I was too busy thinking "wait, wouldn't Trace be the trailsmaster?".  So I went and checked MSPA and saw both could fit the role.
Since huh what didn't specify who next, I'll go.

I'm Doze, Vanilla Felt Member.

ICE?


I'm Clover. Due to my immense luck, I of course ended up with the strongest mafia role, Kevorkian Doctor Jesus Who Is Also Secretly A Town Bulletproof Vanilla Townie. So yeah, The Felt Vanilla Member.
I'd think that Clover would be bulletproof flavorwise because http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003226

Re: MIDNIGHT CREW MAFIA - Day 4 - LYLO
« Reply #692 on: March 08, 2012, 03:46:27 AM »
I'd think that Clover would be bulletproof flavorwise because http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003226
So would I, but vOv.

Re: MIDNIGHT CREW MAFIA - Day 4 - LYLO
« Reply #693 on: March 08, 2012, 03:52:52 AM »
Oh wait, scum have the option to not nightkill. That makes this gambit pointless.

I am indeed the town bulletproof. Rolename is The Felt Riddler.

Re: MIDNIGHT CREW MAFIA - Day 4 - LYLO
« Reply #694 on: March 08, 2012, 04:42:25 AM »
Affinity is scummy according to basic vote count analysis - he started out D2 voting ShadyK, but switched to Nameless when the Serela wagon accumulated a significant votes and a Nameless lynch had more support than a ShadyK lynch. This looks like a pretty blatant attempt to save the roleblocker. Additionally, a quick search of his D1 posts shows instances of "but why not Serela?" here and here, but there are no examples of Affinity actually following up with on the dirt he had on Serela further into the game. The IRL pass Serela received from Affinity on D2 seems contrived when you consider that Affinity gave Serela no grace for being scummy back when Serela was not an actual wagon target.

Nameless' reluctance to put Serela at L-1 in his #492 could be interpreted as a desire not to bus the team's roleblocker as well. His actual reasons for pressing Serela were terrible for being improperly-used meta, and were not even consistent - just a few posts ago, Nameless had claimed that Serela was one of his greatest town reads. Last minute distancing? I'd like Nameless to explain what his thought processes regarding Serela were throughout D2.

ShadyK's roleclaim checks out with his softclaim on D2 (which I believe), and I have trouble believing Serela would push him to L-1 when Serela was already going to get lynched in LYLO regardless of town cred. ICE is town because of Shadoweh's death and his interactions with Serela on D3, which don't look orchestrated to me.

Affinity looks the worst to me right now and I'd prefer to lynch him today. PoE points to Nameless as his buddy, and there was some weirdness going on with Nameless and Serela too. I don't think Nameless being scum would devalue the main points on scum!Affinity (pushing Nameless's wagon as a counter to Serela), either, given that Affinity and Serela have histories of abusing bussing and Nameless is presumably a not an active role if scum with anybody other than ShadyK. A D2 Nameless bus seems pretty reasonable.

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Re: MIDNIGHT CREW MAFIA - Day 4 - LYLO
« Reply #695 on: March 08, 2012, 04:51:06 AM »
the IRL pass Serela received from Affinity on D2 seems contrived when you consider that Affinity gave Serela no grace for being scummy back when Serela was not an actual wagon target.
Keep in mind Affinity didn't give me an IRL pass the same day.  Also I've been saying Affinity is scummy for a while now.  If I were scum, I wouldn't be trying to get rid of him.
Nameless' reluctance to put Serela at L-1 in his #492 could be interpreted as a desire not to bus the team's roleblocker as well.
I'll admit that trying to use other games as reasoning for why is stupid and that's I wasn't thinking then.  However, I didn't want a quicklynch of anyone at the time and putting someone at L-1 enables that.  If Serela were town (something that, even despite a scumread at the time, I kept in mind as a possibility since I was confused), the scum could quickhammer.
just a few posts ago, Nameless had claimed that Serela was one of his greatest town reads. Last minute distancing? I'd like Nameless to explain what his thought processes regarding Serela were throughout D2.
Serela throughout D2...I kept flipping back and forth on almost everybody, I was confused through most of the day.  I do remember that late D2 I honestly thought Serela was town though.

Re: MIDNIGHT CREW MAFIA - Day 4 - LYLO
« Reply #696 on: March 08, 2012, 04:56:27 AM »
Keep in mind Affinity didn't give me an IRL pass the same day.  Also I've been saying Affinity is scummy for a while now.  If I were scum, I wouldn't be trying to get rid of him.
I would link you to the MafiaScum wiki article on bussing, presumably followed by a link to nope.avi, but the wiki unfortunately appears to be down.

Your D2 attacks on Affinity did nothing to actually get him lynched or convince other people vote him, so you receive no town cred for it.

However, I didn't want a quicklynch of anyone at the time and putting someone at L-1 enables that.  If Serela were town (something that, even despite a scumread at the time, I kept in mind as a possibility since I was confused), the scum could quickhammer.
Scum don't quicklynch outside of LYLO unless by mistake. Townies don't quicklynch unless by mistake either, and mistakes are both rare and can be circumvented by claiming your target is at L-1 when you vote them. Not seeing a good reason for you to avoid actually pressuring Serela when you thought he was scum.

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Re: MIDNIGHT CREW MAFIA - Day 4 - LYLO
« Reply #697 on: March 08, 2012, 04:58:00 AM »
I'll chalk up those mistakes to being a noob at this then.
Scum don't quicklynch outside of LYLO unless by mistake. Townies don't quicklynch unless by mistake either, and mistakes are both rare and can be circumvented by claiming your target is at L-1 when you vote them. Not seeing a good reason for you to avoid actually pressuring Serela when you thought he was scum.
Case in point.  I was supposed to know this, on my first play, how?

Re: MIDNIGHT CREW MAFIA - Day 4 - LYLO
« Reply #698 on: March 08, 2012, 05:00:27 AM »
Well, generally, it's good to lurk mafia games and read archives before joining any. That aside, there were ways you could have pressed Serela other than voting him, even though voting would have been preferable. You just kind of dropped the issue after your L-1 threat.

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Re: MIDNIGHT CREW MAFIA - Day 4 - LYLO
« Reply #699 on: March 08, 2012, 05:03:23 AM »
Well, generally, it's good to lurk mafia games and read archives before joining any.
I kind of jumped into this one after following IMP Mafia because I thought it looked fun.
I realized reading archives was a good idea midway through, which only served to confuse me more.

I'm not going to defend any part of my D2 as there's really no defense other than "I was confused" and "I had IRL stuff going on"

Re: MIDNIGHT CREW MAFIA - Day 4 - LYLO
« Reply #700 on: March 08, 2012, 05:04:22 AM »
I can see we're not going to get any further with this, then. I want to hear from Affinity.

Re: MIDNIGHT CREW MAFIA - Day 4 - LYLO
« Reply #701 on: March 08, 2012, 05:55:34 AM »
I missed that part, I was too busy thinking "wait, wouldn't Trace be the trailsmaster?".  So I went and checked MSPA and saw both could fit the role.
Since huh what didn't specify who next, I'll go.

I'm Doze, Vanilla Felt Member.

ICE?

I'd think that Clover would be bulletproof flavorwise because http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003226

Biscuits, Town Neighbor.

ShadyK is now confirmed town.  There's simply no goddamn way that the scum have a roleblocker and the town comes equipped with "a bomb," "a guy who knows that there's a bomb," a "tailor" (flavor cop I assume, as the other meaning of that role is mafia-exclusive), and a pair of neighbors who like as not will both get lynched on the "one of them has GOT to be scum" meta.

Soooo, Huh what, Nameless, and Affinity, one of you is town.

Haha.

Spoilers.

It's nameless, neh?

Re: MIDNIGHT CREW MAFIA - Day 4 - LYLO
« Reply #702 on: March 08, 2012, 06:10:18 AM »
Stitch's profession is a tailor. Roles so far have all seemed pretty tied to flavor, so I'd assume he was some sort of protective role - in the actual Homestuck intermission, he can heal wounds of the rest of The Felt by repairing effigies of them, so if I had to guess I'd say Doc. Probably nerfed from standard in some way, as all claimed roles except the neighbors and my own have been (though we have no idea what Dan was beyond informed).

Re: MIDNIGHT CREW MAFIA - Day 4 - LYLO
« Reply #703 on: March 08, 2012, 06:18:02 AM »
Oh wait, scum have the option to not nightkill. That makes this gambit pointless.

I am indeed the town bulletproof. Rolename is The Felt Riddler.
Okay.

Explain why the claim changed and what the gambit was.

Unless you think anyone would really shoot you.

Re: MIDNIGHT CREW MAFIA - Day 4 - LYLO
« Reply #704 on: March 08, 2012, 06:20:42 AM »
Oh wait, what am I doing here -_-

If nameless and huh what are on the same scumteam they deserve the win.  That sort of sniping among scumbuddies when one of them is totally inexperienced?

ShadyK is town

So that leaves...

Vote: Affinity

Re: MIDNIGHT CREW MAFIA - Day 4 - LYLO
« Reply #705 on: March 08, 2012, 06:27:33 AM »
Okay.

Explain why the claim changed and what the gambit was.

Unless you think anyone would really shoot you.
Was hoping scum would shoot me and confirming me at town N4. It wasn't particularly likely, but I was on Serela all of D2 enough that it was possibly if they thought they'd have the lowest chance of of convincing and/or lynching me for whatever reason. Claiming it outright immediately would have been a waste.

Only that didn't matter because I wouldn't be confirmed town if I got shot, since scum can No Kill.

I breadcrumbed actually being town BP when I claimed Vanilla (see strikethrough in that post), and being BP was one reason I was willing to make the initial vote on Serela during D3, though there was enough against him even without it.

Re: MIDNIGHT CREW MAFIA - Day 4 - LYLO
« Reply #706 on: March 08, 2012, 06:27:54 AM »
*and confirm me as town

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Re: MIDNIGHT CREW MAFIA - Day 4 - LYLO
« Reply #707 on: March 08, 2012, 06:31:14 AM »
Just realized Affinity claimed one of the Felt who's never shown.  Somehow, given the flips+other claims, I doubt one of them was actually given as a role.
Vote: Affinity

FoS huh what
Claim-changing off of a gambit...you saw what happened to your buddy Serela when he tried that, and you changed your claim to match what I guessed off of flavor.  (after cut)  Looks like you thought it through a little bit better than "I'm Die, and I finally rolled vig!"  That reminds me, didn't Serela get the 'Doctor Jesus+oneshot dayvig' role in IMP Mafia?

Although honestly last 3 alive are probably going to be me, ICE and huh what, with votes on each other, leaving me with a 50% chance of guessing right.  Just like I thought would happen but hoped wouldn't.

Re: MIDNIGHT CREW MAFIA - Day 4 - LYLO
« Reply #708 on: March 08, 2012, 06:31:36 AM »
As for the flavor, Clover is incredibly lucky and any attempts to kill him will fail.

To expand on the breadcrumb, Kevorkian Doctor Jesus was basically my role last game (doc that lost powers by suiciding and returning in 72 hours then vigging immediately, hence kevorkian doctor + jesus roles). Bulletproof was not part of my role last game, I specifically added it in to crumb that I was lying about my VT claim in case it was necessary.

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Re: MIDNIGHT CREW MAFIA - Day 4 - LYLO
« Reply #709 on: March 08, 2012, 06:32:42 AM »
Forgot the '#'s in my last vote.
##Vote: Affinity

As for the flavor, Clover is incredibly lucky and any attempts to kill him will fail.
As I mentioned.
To expand on the breadcrumb, Kevorkian Doctor Jesus was basically my role last game (doc that lost powers by suiciding and returning in 72 hours then vigging immediately, hence kevorkian doctor + jesus roles). Bulletproof was not part of my role last game, I specifically added it in to crumb that I was lying about my VT claim in case it was necessary.
Ah, so it was you, not Serela.

Re: MIDNIGHT CREW MAFIA - Day 4 - LYLO
« Reply #710 on: March 08, 2012, 06:34:45 AM »
Lack of quickhammer means Affinity is scum.

Anything we're waiting on before I should go ahead and end the day? I'd like to hear some last opinions from GreyICE, if any, since he's probably dying tonight.

Re: MIDNIGHT CREW MAFIA - Day 4 - LYLO
« Reply #711 on: March 08, 2012, 06:36:06 AM »
...okay, well, ICE/Nameless could be buddies, I guess, but I strongly doubt that. <_<

Nameless, I didn't change my claim in response to you because I had already secretly claimed Bulletproof in my initial claimpost. That's what breadcrumbs are for.

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Re: MIDNIGHT CREW MAFIA - Day 4 - LYLO
« Reply #712 on: March 08, 2012, 06:37:42 AM »
...okay, well, ICE/Nameless could be buddies, I guess, but I strongly doubt that. <_<
Yeah there's no way that's possible at all.  If Affinity isn't scum then I just dont know who is >.>
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Re: MIDNIGHT CREW MAFIA - Day 4 - LYLO
« Reply #713 on: March 08, 2012, 06:40:05 AM »
Nameless, I didn't change my claim in response to you because I had already secretly claimed Bulletproof in my initial claimpost. That's what breadcrumbs are for.
Huh.  Must have missed that.  Somehow.
Anything we're waiting on before I should go ahead and end the day? I'd like to hear some last opinions from GreyICE, if any, since he's probably dying tonight.
I'd like to see Shady's opinion on the massclaim, since I figure the scum are more likely to kill confirmed town (unless I missed something obvious and ICE is also confirmed town)
ok then.  I guess that took care of itself.

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Re: MIDNIGHT CREW MAFIA - Day 4 - LYLO
« Reply #714 on: March 08, 2012, 06:43:04 AM »
Oh, just thought I'd mention I'm not going to be around at the start of tomorrow, being 2 AM or later and all that.  I should be able to see what I missed by noon though (going to be AFK Friday 2 AM-->Friday noon, missing the first 10 hours of D5)

Re: MIDNIGHT CREW MAFIA - Day 4 - LYLO
« Reply #715 on: March 08, 2012, 06:44:05 AM »
Pull a Bard and tell the mod to end the night early when you send in the kill then :T

Re: MIDNIGHT CREW MAFIA - Day 3 - LYLO
« Reply #716 on: March 08, 2012, 06:46:03 AM »

VOTECOUNT:

huh what (0) - 
ShadyK (0) -
I have no name (0) - 
Affinity (2) - ICE, i have no name
ICE (0) -

Affinity is at L1


Not Voting: ShadyK, Affinity, huh what

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch. Day ends in ~63 hours.

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Re: MIDNIGHT CREW MAFIA - Day 4 - LYLO
« Reply #717 on: March 08, 2012, 06:46:24 AM »
Pull a Bard and tell the mod to end the night early when you send in the kill then :T
Now how I could I do that seeing as I'm town.
We could just postpone the lynch until after I wake up  :V

Re: MIDNIGHT CREW MAFIA - Day 4 - LYLO
« Reply #718 on: March 08, 2012, 06:57:16 AM »
Although honestly last 3 alive are probably going to be me, ICE and huh what, with votes on each other, leaving me with a 50% chance of guessing right.  Just like I thought would happen but hoped wouldn't.
Why kill ShadyK over ICE? I don't think anybody seriously buys ICE as scum at this point. I've considered him obvtown all game, and you seem intent on lynching me.

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Re: MIDNIGHT CREW MAFIA - Day 4 - LYLO
« Reply #719 on: March 08, 2012, 07:02:28 AM »
You know how first impressions stick?  This is sort of like that.  I figured the final day would come down to something like that, and then stuff happened but it could still turn out like that even though it wouldn't.
and now I'm rambling.  This is what happens when I post while tired but I need to wait a half hour to go to sleep because I'm waiting on a video appendage so I can queue up 5 for compression overnight.

Also remember my first impression of ICE was 'don't like him, scummy'.  That sticks even though after my reread I realized the scummy part was due to disliking playstyle (which by the way is no longer applicable anyway).