IMP MAFIA - TOWN VICTORY

[Serela]

My internet connection is -really- sketchy, plus I'm having an incredibly hard time finding anywhere I can both use my impaired laptop and access the insecured connection. (My laptop's monitor is broken and it's battery lasts about five minutes, so I require two plugs to function; even worse is that at my grandmothers house, the majority of the wall sockets only have two prong slots, so I cannot plug in an external monitor almost anywhere AUGH)

but I'm going to be... vaguely here... for a few hours, then tomorrow, and part of the day after.

Headcrabs you need to start playing the game. Seriously. You've done a little role shens, now you can't do anymore, so you don't have a choice anyway! Scumhunting, do it.

Bard is fine for the moment (Probably want to look at him again on a later day though to reevaluate), rawr is newbie that I cannot read for the life of me and therefore liability and I don't mind lynching her if lots of people want to as day end rolls around, uhhhhm man it's hard to reread when the internet keeps going out. I could get behind the BT lynch after Bard's if only I didn't have reasons to think he was town. I almost have t

/12 hours later. I don't remember where I was going with that last sentence. Leaning Town on Dan, HW is :(??? as ever to me (not really a preferred lynch at all atm), and I have a reaction to want to clear headcrabs because I doubt scum would have him throw his power at Schezo d1, especially when they nk'd him right after. It's so much of a waste for them. Who does that leave again? Dormio, PX, a slot that may or may not exist after today's lynch, and Affinity, along with :(??? rawr. Okay so going to go reread my possible scum whom are not having an existential crisis or :(? reads. Posting this now in case my internet drops into the pits of hell before I'm done.

oh cuts! It's headcrabs, oh cool :D  Sorry man, but since what you were claiming yesterday sounded a lot like a vig or delayed vig or something like that, it's completely and entirely understandable for someone to suspect it caused Schezo to die during the night. And cuts also reminds me I'm supposed to read Shadoweh too along with the others. So, to do that! Yeah.

[BT]

I am Rose Lalonde and I can't even spell my own name.

Seriously, the hell.

Serela's post doesn't exactly tell me anything, like, at all. Gonna wait for those rereads.

[Dr Rawr]

BT posted it before i could say it :V

Also serela, why did you find it necessary to say that you were 3rd on heros wagon and be happy about it?

[communist unity (comm-unity)]

Schezo got killed because mafia was afraid that I gave him a special ability. I think that's a pretty safe assumption.

[BT]

I don't think you've answered my question.

One is not scum for pursuing town. Your case is powerless and unless you do not want to hold on to it, you need to present better reasons. Otherwise, I want to see other opinions.

[Affinity]

Maybe I should get a thesaurus so that I may better express the full blazing fire of my passionate townie passion, Shadoweh.

This game is too hard.  Half of the playerbase are like expressionless marble statues which are more or less impossible to read.

huhwhat's response is indeed passable, but despite all that, I personally just don't 'feel' good about how he was left without a scumread other than Hero999 when he agreed with Bardiche's defence yesterday all the way until he talks about rawr this post  Would like to ask; what makes rawr's' scummy disconnect' scummier than headcrabs' generally obsfucating play, Serela's Serela play and Maav's refusal to put down a solid vote on D1?

Serela is being hypocritical again regarding his calls for scumhunting (of which he is doing none), etc.

Will try and do something sizable on Bard and BT in the morning.

[Bardiche]

Done re-reading. Caught up. I feel fantastic and I'm still alive.

On a re-read of the Hero wagon I am nothing wiser. Schezo and Serela seem to have jumped on Hero solely to secure a lynch, which prompted Rawr and Affinity to jump on Hero to secure a lynch and in the end it doesn't really seem like the best use of our majority. Entirely excusable in that Hero made no attempts to ever do anything vaguely resembling Town activity, making it clear to me that this Day 1 was a useless pile of dung.

Even so!

Rawr and Serela are both useless, Rawr doing the impossible and exceeding Serela by a bit. Serela, you said you thought Dan's case on Hero was extremely good and Town-minded, can you clarify what you think of Hero now that his Town-minded and extremely good case was on Town, as you said that would affect your read of Dan?

Dan, perhaps you, like Affinity, can explain what this "1+1+1" business with scumhunting is, and why you considered me the top scum after Hero on Day 1. Saying you want my lynch is cool and all, but borrowing Affinity's reasons doesn't look good: it smells more of "I don't like your playstyle" rather than "your playstyle is scummy": what about my scumhunting methods regarding BT are scummy?

The argument regarding true claims with Hero seems  a bit reaching, why did you tack that on?


BT has some wall about me so I should probably respond to that.

I find the idea that I called HW scummy for something I "disliked" to be absurd, as I clearly pointed out why I thought the action was scum-motivated and would serve scum. When I dislike people in a Mafia game, I think they are scummy. It seems a weird point to hold against me, as does complaining my very first post did not contain a solid case on Shadoweh to ride to her lynch (which, coupled with someone else's accusation that I was trying to ride a mislynch on Shadoweh makes the entire ordeal rather funny).

The assertion that I am tunnel driving because I only have one vote and had limited time to act in Day 1 seems another absurd notion to hold against me. I truly can only well pursue one lynch target, and I do not see why I should exhibit strong "let's lynch" cases on two people, considering I will always go for my primary target first and fall back on the secondary target, well, as a secondary concern.

I didn't actually count the timeframe either, I just looked at your posts and saw the majority were devoted to Serela, with a few throw-away lines on how others need to post and Shadoweh and whatshisface were scummy. It's tunnelling because you don't really mention anyone else in any other capacity, and right now your D1 is "Serela is smokescreen scummy" and "Bardiche is scummy", where I can't tell if the latter isn't an OMGUS, given you didn't pursue me until after I voted you.

That you assert I'm "defending" Serela because I think you're scummy is silly. I think you're scummy because you're pursuing an easy case and excluding opinions on others. It's a misrepresentation to say that I am discarding your case on Serela because I think you're scummy: I'm discarding it because your case comes down to "Serela is Serela: that is scummy".

If you're going to use the fact I had family problems to state I was "conveniently away", I think you really need to learn what arguments to pick and which not. Right now, I think levelling such an argument has all the makings of being an arsehole and an inconsiderate dick. Having real life problems should never be grounds to lynch someone or accuse them of scummy activity.

[Dr Rawr]

Also BT was that a true claim?

[communist unity (comm-unity)]

Pursuing someone for leading a bad D1 bandwagon is perfectly fine. Shadoweh was absolutely sure that Hero999 and Schezo were scum. They have both died and they have flipped town. Shadoweh lead the lynches against them. I want an explanation besides the usual chewbacca defense BS she threw out on day one when hero pressed her. There's lynching townies, and then there's jumping wagons on D1 to get a lynch; Shadoweh did the latter, and lead both of them.

I'm suspecting Dormio, huhwant, and Shadoweh. huhwhat's early vote on shadoweh screamed "vote your scum buddy early on so you act like you're scumhunting when they flip".  His vote on Hero999 was quite frankly, awful.

Shadoweh was incredibly defensive against hero, which strikes me as odd. Defending yourself the entire game is not town play; it's scum. I didn't give reasoning like this in my initial posts, but why would I show my hand this early into the game?

And for the sake of it, I'll note that as we have two town flips, we know for sure their reasoning was legitimate and not steeped in lies. Their votes and posts day one should be taken with high regard.

[BT]

On a re-read of the Hero wagon I am nothing wiser. Schezo and Serela seem to have jumped on Hero solely to secure a lynch, which prompted Rawr and Affinity to jump on Hero to secure a lynch and in the end it doesn't really seem like the best use of our majority. Entirely excusable in that Hero made no attempts to ever do anything vaguely resembling Town activity, making it clear to me that this Day 1 was a useless pile of dung.

"Guy had it coming, we should totally forget about D1 and whatever else might've happened in it". What is this, anyway?

I didn't actually count the timeframe either, I just looked at your posts and saw the majority were devoted to Serela, with a few throw-away lines on how others need to post and Shadoweh and whatshisface were scummy. It's tunnelling because you don't really mention anyone else in any other capacity

Let's stop being dodgy and answer this, shall we? Let's assume that town ol' me had a bad read which was improving (Schezo) and another bad read that really bugged me (Serela), everything else being foggy. What was the best I could do but pursue that second read and prompt others to post more?You need to explain why this is obviously scum-driven and is not acceptable for town. You also need to explain why I'm the only one at fault for doing this.

It's a misrepresentation to say that I am discarding your case on Serela because I think you're scummy: I'm discarding it because your case comes down to "Serela is Serela: that is scummy".

You keep disregarding my argument that this is not Serela's usual activity (for what I know with the limited time playing here) and I would have no reason to suspect him if I felt that was the case.

If you're going to use the fact I had family problems to state I was "conveniently away", I think you really need to learn what arguments to pick and which not. Right now, I think levelling such an argument has all the makings of being an arsehole and an inconsiderate dick. Having real life problems should never be grounds to lynch someone or accuse them of scummy activity.

Surely I'm a big dick and I wanted to show this to everyone so I thought it was a good idea to say you were gone for the crystal-clear reason that you had 'family issues' and obviously encourage a lynch for that reason, and surely it was a good idea and was very appropriate for you to showcase itg how big of a dick I am. And in case it wasn't blatantly obvious, this is sarcasm.

Honestly, why did you even go there? I meant no offense and you should not have taken offense. Sorry to say but you're the one involving real life problems here, not me.

crabs cut. Liking this post a lot more. This 'showing of your full hand', if this is what you mean by that, is needed for people to know how you think and get a good read on you. It is also needed to convince people of your case. You do want to convince people to lynch Shadoweh, don't you?

[BT]

Oh, and rawr, were you here during D1, perhaps? This is not the first time I've 'full claimed'. And, obviously, I have a reason for doing this, one I should not elaborate on and you should not question me about.

[communist unity (comm-unity)]

Dan: at the same time, I think there's not enough evidence or justification to sell my case against them for now. They need to make more posts and by extension, more mistakes. The only person I'm confident enough to vote on for now is shadoweh.

[Bardiche]

Surely I'm a big dick and I wanted to show this to everyone so I thought it was a good idea to say you were gone for the crystal-clear reason that you had 'family issues' and obviously encourage a lynch for that reason, and surely it was a good idea and was very appropriate for you to showcase itg how big of a dick I am.

Because I told everyone (see last line). Going "and you were conveniently gone for the last part!" doesn't really strike me as anything other than either A) you read my post and know why I'm gone or B) you didn't, where since you have a vote on me and all I thought you'd read my posts and consider why I wouldn't have been so active Day 1.

So yes, your accusation that I was "conveniently" gone did strike a bad chord, given I already explained why it was so and would remain to be the case.

You keep disregarding my argument that this is not Serela's usual activity (for what I know with the limited time playing here) and I would have no reason to suspect him if I felt that was the case.

Perhaps you can elucidate what about Serela makes you feel he is not being his usual self. Serela talking about how useless he is is fairly normal to me.

Let's stop being dodgy and answer this, shall we? Let's assume that town ol' me had a bad read which was improving (Schezo) and another bad read that really bugged me (Serela), everything else being foggy. What was the best I could do but pursue that second read and prompt others to post more?You need to explain why this is obviously scum-driven and is not acceptable for town. You also need to explain why I'm the only one at fault for doing this.

You pursued Schezo after you started homing in on Serela? I am continuously missing this. Please point out where this is the case. It is scum-driven to focus on one person because you will have a reasonable excuse to avoid commenting on others. It is scum-driven because asking for people to post more looks reasonable on the surface level but in actuality does not achieve much if anything, does not make clear what your thoughts are and does not exhibit an interest in the content they have provided already, only a decree that they need to post more, which is an act they would naturally follow given opportunity. Since scum love looking active and pro-active, calling out people for not doing the obvious is a good way to seem that way.

It's just an action that does nothing.

You're the only one at fault because you're the only one pursuing Serela while going "these people need to post kthx".

What is this, anyway?

That I gleaned nothing interesting from examining the Hero bandwagon: I only note some people jumped on it for the sake of acquiring a majority lynch, which at the same time was understandable and not something I'd hold against them as a chief point of scumminess.

[BT]

Perhaps you can elucidate what about Serela makes you feel he is not being his usual self. Serela talking about how useless he is is fairly normal to me.

Stuff like this:

I'm voting PX because I got nothing and everyone here should know by now that the most you can get out of me right now is a repeat of last game's D1.

Now does anyone -really- want that?

In which he explains that he is useless and that is a reason to not pressure him into contributing. Self-discrediting is one thing, but doing so for the wrong reasons is another thing and reeks IMO, even now.

You pursued Schezo after you started homing in on Serela? I am continuously missing this. Please point out where this is the case.

It isn't the case. 'My second read' is the second read I've mentioned, not my second most scummiest read. So, it's Schezo, then Serela. Not the other way around.

It is scum-driven to focus on one person because you will have a reasonable excuse to avoid commenting on others. It is scum-driven because asking for people to post more looks reasonable on the surface level but in actuality does not achieve much if anything, does not make clear what your thoughts are and does not exhibit an interest in the content they have provided already, only a decree that they need to post more, which is an act they would naturally follow given opportunity. Since scum love looking active and pro-active, calling out people for not doing the obvious is a good way to seem that way.

It's just an action that does nothing.

This is only one half of the explanation. Why, in the situation I have explained, is it not understandable for town to be acting in this obviously scummy manner?

That I gleaned nothing interesting from examining the Hero bandwagon: I only note some people jumped on it for the sake of acquiring a majority lynch, which at the same time was understandable and not something I'd hold against them as a chief point of scumminess.

Yes, this is one thing. However, going "Hero's wagon sucked, therefore this day sucked and is completely worthless" is another thing.

[Dr Rawr]

i cant remember everything that happens

I was just wondering because chaore usually pops out and pauses the game  :yukkuri:

[BT]

Yeah, I think I might know the cause for why that doesn't happen when I do it. Or, rather, why that happens when they do it. I'd need to confirm it with them though and it is not pressing to do so right now so I won't.

You feel like voting anytime today?

[Hero999]

This is a blargh post.
The End.

[capt. h]

Not redundant votecount of unredundancy

Affinity: Dormio, Shadoweh
BT: Bardiche
Dr. Rawr: Huh What
Huh What: Affinity
Shadoweh: Headcrabs
Bardiche: BT

Not Voting:  Everyone else!

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 2 ends in 52 hours.

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[Serela]

I -cannot- accept the possibility of a BT lynch to escalate, I'm just worried about this because I'm not sure how risky it is to reveal my relevant information, both in regards to looking like a conspiracy or for the sake of how NK-able he might become which would make me saaaad. I mean I'll definitely explain why he's town if I need to (e.g. he starts looking like a highly likely lynch) but... :C Bah. I feel like I can say this much safely because I'm Serela and can expect some doubt about the validity of anything that comes out of my mouth!

Headcrabs:"High regard" might not be the right word for it (Being dead and town doesn't make them right)... although, in any case, Hero's posts were mostly useless. And, it's not a good idea to scumhunt on someone based on the assumption that someone else is scum when we don't know (How you said Huhwhat's shadoweh vote looked like voting a scumbuddy for townie cred when she flips)

Bard:I said in my last post that after my reread on Dan I'm now leaning town on him :3 Now, I'm certainly not expecting you to stop pursuing BT as I clearly haven't cared to elaborate on role shenanigans that make him town yet (And they aren't just "He's Rose Lalonde", they stretch into game balance because it seems like it's pretty fucked up if he's scum with what I know), but if you humored the thought of BT being town, who would be your next top suspect?

I do have to agree with Bard's sentiment that Hero was a very easy wagon, and at the same time a very legitimate wagon, so analyzing it isn't horribly useful as he was not a scum flip. This also makes me saaaad.

Okay. Those rereads I said I was gonna make! Right.
Shadoweh: >Because I'm Town ObvTown! Townie Obvtown! Disco fevah!
No, no, that's MoTK Mafioso Mafia, and we don't have our lovely Boofy to play as the embodiment of townie rage and vig away if we lynch you. How unfortunate. That being said, I can't really concentrate on you. I suppose it means you're uninteresting enough to ignore for right now though!
Dormio:null. Maybe leaning town a little here.
PX:Seems to be about as tiny of a presence as he can possibly be. I don't remember if PX usually does this though... in any case, it's not damning but not really a good thing either.
Affinity:Something here feels off. I can't put my finger on it though.

I don't like Affinity. The more I reread the more I wanted to vote Affinity. I'm going to come back later and iso him and see if I can make an actual case though because I'm supposed to be trying to work on doing that D:
##Vote Affinity

[Serela]

I may have overreacted about the BT thing. But it makes me sadface to see Bard/BT argument and similar such when I know BT should be town. And the fact that I would otherwise be agreeing with his BT case.

If only he was BT corn, I could eat him! Although... I'm not entirely sure that stuff has low enough pesticide residue to be safe. I mean, it makes it's own due to the genetic engineering, after all... ah well! *shrug*

[Dr Rawr]

Why does no one ever mention me in there reads, this makes me most sad. Well shadoweh is the only one showing some love .

Serela why do i feel as though you didnt really say much in that post as your last post? Also ill ask again, could you explain why you were worried about your position on the hero wagon and your reasoning for voting hero. Youre saying his wagon was legit but your reasoning for voting doesnt really add up to me.

##Vote:Serela

[Serela]

Oh! Sorry about your question, people kept bothering me and I forgot!

Okay. So... well, my reasons for voting Hero was pretty much the same as everyone else, just worded differently. Aka, he wasn't actually scumhunting, as in active lurking. Caring about your vote and trying to find scum and stuff is what townies do, and he wasn't doing that for a badly long time :C

And, because, someone's position on a wagon does matter. The later you are, the more possible it is you're just sheeping, or just hopping onto a growing wagon, which may or may not be the same thing (Although sheeping sounds less scummy I guess maybe.)

[capt. h]

Votecount of Votecount of Votecount of Votecount

Affinity: Dormio, Shadoweh, NeoSerela
BT: Bardiche
Dr. Rawr: Huh What
Huh What: Affinity
Shadoweh: Headcrabs
Bardiche: BT
NeoSerela: Dr. Rawr

Not Voting:  PX, Action Dan, Maav

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 2 ends in 50.5 hours.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Would anybody object if I left this game for 72 hours if it meant we got two flips as a result (one delayed, the other confirmed town)? I think it'd be pretty helpful given the how crapshooty this game feels at the moment.

Also, since I might not be around for lynch because of this: Affinity is obvtown, I'm pretty sure. I wouldn't lynch him, his thought processes look pretty clear. I'm reading his case on me as him struggling to come up with anything useful at this point, which scum probably wouldn't do when they have an array of easy targets to pick from if they're having trouble making cases.

@Affinity: Rawr's disconnect is scummier than the other three cases you mentioned because it looks like his opinions had an awkward, abrupt change to make it easier for him to jump on a town wagon.
@BT: By the time 24 hours were left in the day, I thought Hero not doing anything of worth was pretty much the most solid case given that he had several chances to scumhunt and took none of them until very late. Due to stuff like his
@headcrabs: why are you trying to paint my ~jokevote~ on shadoweh as bussing when you don't even have a scumflip from her, that makes zero sense

[Shadoweh]

##Vote: Shadoweh.

Tree stump my ass. Didn't like your D1 antics.  The two people you rallied against on day one were town.  Gamzee is scum flavorwise, too. That's all I have to say.

Historically when you get a role that says 'claim in thread' and you think you're the only one that has it, it means you become a tree stump. I didn't find out what my true-claim did, at all, until I used it. Which is why I have to ask, when you used your power, did you get to choose Schezo directly? Gamzee is a serial killer flavorwise, and there was only one death last night. (Also meta, but anyone who knows me knows Schezo would have lived if I were scum because he didn't think I was scum. ) It's impossible for me to have been defensive against Hero and leading the lynch against him at the same time. He was defending himself because I was attacking him.

Catching one of your later posts, I wasn't 'absolutely sure' Schezo was scum. He's listed in my town reads by the end of the day.

Thinking on it, scum wouldn't vanilize and nightkill the same person, therefore headcrabs is town. If someone else was turned into a vanilla they can disprove it, but otherwise headcrabs is getting a green slot on the wagon.

Cut: I'm sorry what

[Shadoweh]

Huh whatty: A better answer would be "Yes, that would be awesome." If you don't think Affinity is scum then you should try to confirm Bardiche. Would both flips be in addition to the lynch?

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

One flip is my own.

The other will have to wait until either as soon as I come back as confirmed town (meaning probably D3), or Night 3. I don't know, Chaore's role PM was confusing.

[BT]

And you pick this other flip? And, in case I didn't get this straight: you flip, but leave the game and come back in 72 hours? Or, rather, you flip when you come back?

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

It's part of my trueclaim. I assume I flip as soon as it happens.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

"it" being my leave from the game.

Yes, I pick the other person who dies.